posted June 21, 2021 05:18 PM            

Do you folks see the tight Mars square Pluto in the composite chart as a potential possibility for physical / emotional / domestic violence in the relationship?

Thank you for any feedback you may have for me. Much appreciated.

Male Natal (Unknown Birth Time):

Female natal chart:

Composite chart:

posted June 23, 2021 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
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Thank you!

posted June 23, 2021 10:41 AM            

At the beginning my family put a lot of concern about his relationship, but both were very stubborn and confronted anyone who tried to break them. (my brother has Leo Mercury and his wife has Taurus Mercury opposite Pluto, in Synastry their Mercury is in a tight squre, with her Pluto also square his Mercury).

Since it is a newly wed couple, we still don't see the Mars Opposite Pluto composite play out in his relationship.

I personally, since I had the Mars opposite Pluto in Synastry with my ex (also has the aspect in natal), kind of worry with the aspect as I have an experience how it will play out sooner or later. Yes, it makes a looottt of sexual attraction. My ex chased me like crazy and he wanted an official immediately and two weeks later he asked me to marry him so he could sleep with me. When anger hit, action clashed, it was so easy to violence as he didn't want to loose a battle. Sooner or later you will get into those Mars/Pluto battle.

I watch about Mars/Pluto composite here:
Mars Square Pluto Composite

It's similar to synastry effect as what I have experience.

posted June 29, 2021 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
My brother has Mars Opposite Pluto tight aspect in composite, but he just got married in December last year with the woman.

At the beginning my family put a lot of concern about his relationship, but both were very stubborn and confronted anyone who tried to break them. (my brother has Leo Mercury and his wife has Taurus Mercury opposite Pluto, in Synastry their Mercury is in a tight squre, with her Pluto also square his Mercury).

Since it is a newly wed couple, we still don't see the Mars Opposite Pluto composite play out in his relationship.

I personally, since I had the Mars opposite Pluto in Synastry with my ex (also has the aspect in natal), kind of worry with the aspect as I have an experience how it will play out sooner or later. Yes, it makes a looottt of sexual attraction. My ex chased me like crazy and he wanted an official immediately and two weeks later he asked me to marry him so he could sleep with me. When anger hit, action clashed, it was so easy to violence as he didn't want to loose a battle. Sooner or later you will get into those Mars/Pluto battle.

I watch about Mars/Pluto composite here:
Mars Square Pluto Composite

It's similar to synastry effect as what I have experience.

But, I would love to hear others too who truly experience it in the composite. Is there any?

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Thank you for sharing.

I think this is a violent aspect. I have not personally had this in any of my own composite charts but I had this in synastry with my biological father and he was extremely violent and abusive to me. And what's more, he knew he was being abusive as he told me once with an evil smile.

I haven't spoken to him in years and I really worry about how this aspsct plays out in composite charts between two people romantically involved with each other.

posted June 30, 2021 01:38 AM            

Friend A has Composite Mars square Pluto with her boyfriend. He has a semi-square in natal. Together 1yr. No violence.

Friend B has composite Mars (and Venus) square Pluto with her husband. Married 5yrs+. No violence.

Friend C has composite Mars (and Mercury) square Pluto with his wife. They both have Pluto trine/sextile Mars in natal. Married 13-14yrs. No violence.

posted June 30, 2021 06:55 PM            

Cap Moon (I am one) is tough, but actually deeply feeling. And conjunct Venus and Mercury gives him a leg up in the sense that he can communicate his feelings a little more clearly... BUT!!! his own natal Saturn squares the mix, so that would make it challenging to express himself.

Add to this her Saturn also opposite the mix. And she is a Pluto opposite Sun/Moon person herself. She is a strong personality and not likely to back down, and potentially also given to instigating her own manner of conflicts. (This is not justifying sparking his anger or violence, but in my experience Pluto in harsh aspect to personal planets provides a certain temper and manner that invites a little conflict...).

posted July 02, 2021 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
Nothing to offer about the outcome, but a question- the male has Natal Pluto Mars square, but also has Moon conjunct Venus and Mercury. In Cap. Could this soften his harsh square?

Cap Moon (I am one) is tough, but actually deeply feeling. And conjunct Venus and Mercury gives him a leg up in the sense that he can communicate his feelings a little more clearly... BUT!!! his own natal Saturn squares the mix, so that would make it challenging to express himself.

Add to this her Saturn also opposite the mix. And she is a Pluto opposite Sun/Moon person herself. She is a strong personality and not likely to back down, and potentially also given to instigating her own manner of conflicts. (This is not justifying sparking his anger or violence, but in my experience Pluto in harsh aspect to personal planets provides a certain temper and manner that invites a little conflict...).

Given their young ages, this could be a very hard situation to handle. I would say if they were older they may both have the maturity to have a healthy relationship... but I find many of our relationships in our youth are for learning. I can see the attraction they must have, because they both are struggling through challenging natal charts and there is probably a potential for growth they can sense in each other... but I don't know if this is a good idea. Not that something being a bad idea ever stopped us from doing it...

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Thank you for such a detailed write-up.

They are just "getting to know each other". Had they had been older / "mature", I might not have had any worries / concerns but your reply validates my own belief that this may be one relationship that needs to be "watched", at least given their ages at this time.

I also have two questions regarding synastry & composite charts.

1. What orbs are critical when evaluating synastry or do "wide" conjunctions / oppositions / squares and quincuxes also count? Does the wide opposition of the man's natal Saturn to his natal Venus / Mercury conjunction matter as much as the woman's tight opposition of natal Pluto to her natal Moon and wider Sun / Pluto opposition?

2. Since composites are constructed using midpoints, aren't there technically two midpoints when constructing them? For instance, the composite above shows a stellium in Aries. But could the composite not equally have the stellium placed 180 degrees away, in Libra, too? Is this why signs are not considered when evaluating a composite but only house positions?

In this case, we cannot calculate house positions as one person's time of birth is unknown but is it generally necessary to disregard signs & only consider house placements when evaluating any composite chart?

posted December 01, 2022 12:10 AM            

So there may be some sympathy.

He has the Mars conjunct Jupiter which is big.

But her Moon and Venus may be a soothing balm, especially in Cancer. But it's not got support under it either - just the Uranus trine.

Might make him think she's the only one that ever understood him and therefore is "the one".

The rest of the synastry is hectic and the composite is not very kind to the natal charts either.

Any update on how this is going?