posted September 21, 2015 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

But the most important thing is that this composite features an important marker I discovered in my studies, already a classical one and I was about to do a thread about it: the square from Saturn to the nodal axis. Very common and incredibly binding. Probably that's where most of the staying power comes from. And this is a more unusual case, with Saturn precisely on the mdp between Sun and Jupiter (second chart ruler) which means Saturn is the mdp of the whole string of Libra planets, and this also means the whole string is squaring the nodal axis.
Squares to nodal axis are very important IMO because the planet creating the T/square is the mission, lesson, theme, guide, guardian angel of this couple's path. When this guide is Saturn, sticking together and time is the theme.
Interestingly, this also means that planet is on NN/SN mdp, which symbolically unites the past with the future, it supervises this movement (the squaring planet), it creates a continuum. You know that Jeff Green calls it the "skipped step"; the way I understand it, it is a step you cannot skip.

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So I am curious now about how her theory applies to natal charts...

DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANETS THAT SQUARE YOUR NODES? I would imagine that transits to it are life altering. Share your square aspects to the nodes and if possible how you feel it has manifested for you. You are welcome to discuss composites squares to the nodes as well.

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What is interesting about my natal though is that I have two planets opposing and both squaring my nodes. My apollo-mercury opposes my Moon and both form squares with my nodes resulting in a grandcross and so two planets are both the "mission, lesson, theme, guide, guardian angel" of my natal chart or better yet the opposition itself is the lesson, theme, guide and guardian angel of my chart.

On one hand I have SN to Mercury-Apollo (apex) to NN.

-Northnode in Gemini @19d
-Apollo in Virgo @19d
-Mercury in Virgo @17d in the 9th ruling the 7th
-Southnode in Sag @19d

On the other hand I have SN to NN to Moon-Nephthys in pisces (apex):

-Northnode in Gemini @19d
-Southnode in Sag @19d
-Moon-Nephthys in Pisces @21d in the 3rd ruling the 8th and part of a golden yod with chiron and pluto.

*I guess part of what I am here to do is to manage that opposition between mercury and moon and then teach others techniques that help with this to empower them as well. I do like working with people with mood disorders and people that have issues with emotional regulation etc...

My husband also has 2 NN to SN squares to his nodes; Mars-Uranus-DC in scorpio squares his Nodes as well as Chiron in the 12th which inconjuncts neptune in the 8th, opposes mars-dc-uranus and trines his Jupiter which sextiles his Mars-DC-Uranus.

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NN in LEO @19d
Mars in scorpio @22d
DC in scorpio @22d
Uranus in scorpio @23d
SN in Aqua @19d

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Chiron in Taurus @17d
NN in LEO @19d
SN in Aqua @19d

posted September 21, 2015 08:54 PM            

Fitting, no?

Also, mine is also CHIRON, in 17° TAU 06 square my 18° LEO / AQU 03 Nodes. His HADES/TISIPHONE/HERMITAGE/CUPIDO/HEKATE/FEYNMAN is what's conjunct it.

We must be born fairly close together, given the positions.

His is JUPITER. It's 2° square his NODES. And, definitely, a big one.

posted September 21, 2015 08:57 PM            

DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANETS THAT SQUARE YOUR NODES? I would imagine that transits to it are life altering. Share your square aspects to the nodes and if possible how you feel it has manifested for you."

HYPATIA!

yup! my 10 ruler moon in aries in the 7th house squaring my NN in the 4th house. and my vertex in the 7th house square my NN in the 4th EXACT......ughhhh

i have no idea what this could mean but to me it looks like that relationships are crucial for my growth i must research this more.

in synastry HER ASC/DSC square my NN Conjunct my vertex/antivertex, Her IC conjunct my NN square my vertex.

posted September 21, 2015 08:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ours is KARMA.

Fitting, no?

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You and your karmic soulmate ? or with your twin?

posted September 21, 2015 09:08 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You and your karmic soulmate ? or with your twin?

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My twin. I don't think my karmic soulmate and I have anything squaring our NODES. Actually, scratch that. Our ALMA-JUNO is 1°30 square.

Weird. The thing that he most got me to do was reconsider my relationship with my twin. It was only through my realising how much I'd hardened my heart (to manage the pain) and that I was doing it again, that I considered that my love for him hadn't actually waned. I'd just buried it to protect myself from pain. Which is exactly what I had done.

Interesting enough, my twin's SUN is 1° conjunct my karmic soulmate's cNNODE, and his DESTINN on the aforementioned ALMA-JUNO.

It oddly makes sense now. I never understood his DESTINN on hisALMA-JUNO. But if I think of how much of a catalyst my karmic soulmate has been, in some form, since the beginning, for us -- my twin's DESTINN on the composite ALMA-JUNO really makes odd sense.

posted September 21, 2015 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Interesting interpretation of a JUNO-ALMA square the NODES, isn't it? How we'd normally think, automatically, how 'twin flame'-ish it seems. That the 'mission' is clear.

And yet, it isn't.

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posted September 21, 2015 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by AstroAJ:
I have chiron Square my Nodes at a 2 degree orb, not sure if this counts?

Also I am curious if Chiron is like the Nodes as in those who are close in age have similar placements? (i.e. would those really close in age to me have the same square)

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I would say that the decisions that you make in life or and how your journey develops and were it takes you is motivated to assist you in healing a childhood wound perhaps and that an important theme for you is healing, maybe you have healing abilities and as you take ownership of your own healing you can help others heal as well.

posted September 22, 2015 05:00 AM            

In Leo, conjunct ALMA, 9H.

posted September 22, 2015 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by comdoc:
My natal stationary Saturn at center of Leo stellium is square Moon's Nodes, orb less than 1 degree.

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posted September 22, 2015 06:24 PM            

I can always feel and see my path very strongly, however, life has not been short of obstacles, delays and outright annihilations.

I try to collect as much wisdom from it as I can - what else can I do?

posted September 23, 2015 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANETS THAT SQUARE YOUR NODES? I would imagine that transits to it are life altering. Share your square aspects to the nodes and if possible how you feel it has manifested for you. You are welcome to discuss composites squares to the nodes as well.

...or better yet the opposition itself is the lesson, theme, guide and guardian angel of my chart.

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2H Karma 26.55 Leo exactly square 5H 26.09 Sco NN, 28.20 Leo Sun near enough for a square from some angles.

2H supports the Taurus SN I suppose, Leo and the 5H Scorpio NN vibe otherwise. 8H Moon in Pisces 2 opposite Sun, but too wide to square the Nodes with a 4 degree difference. 8H however potentially doing some background supporting vibes for the Scorpio Node.

I wouldn't have a clue how it's manifested though, if talking the Karma-Sun in particular, so by all means, throw in suggestions for what you think it says. I just do things, or drift along, life for the most part going fine or okay even when having some slight difficulties. Always getting away with minimal damage for all I know, though "of course" it's also as if very little in the end happens a lot of the time. I need a lot of time for myself in any case as an introvert.

Also, felt that I had very little to do with the Taurean end long ago already, that the Scorpio seemed a lot more it, so not sure what the "You'll only get to the North Node in later years" stuff was. Suppose I've been Taurean to a bigger extent while staying put/doing nothing, but it was always that I more so only "lived" in the moments when the Leo actually bothered to do something (different), too. Ie. the Scorpio end. I seem to recall describing it as never really getting what I want if being "sensible". The Lazy Leo syndrome of "Resting now, come back in 3 weeks/years. Okay, NOW we're doing things" also there?

Whether I already would have dealt with (most of?) the Karma square Nodes side or if it's still an on-going thing or WHAT it's all about I also couldn't say. Assumption might be that with such a strong pattern, it'd get dealt with early or as if gotten out of the way. Family life had some issues, but not sure if it'd be anything such.

Romance? I would, but Aquarian DC, Saturn in 12th (trine NN). Also Venus square Mars and Neptune (&opposite Moon), so whoever I liked back in the day usually didn't care for me and I had little interest in people who wanted more to do with me. No, really, tell me how you people supposedly first of all meet so many men or potential partners in the first place, even online if not real life, and then how all the fancy (even potential) relationships seem to just constantly happen at your ends.

As said, Aqua DC & Saturn in 12th, some Leo self-sufficiency on top, so it's not per se as if I've ever felt any need for whatever useless relationships, but a useful/lovely/the right relationship would be nice, thank you very much. If I'm "waiting" for some supposedly magnificent high-quality evolved man to be with sometime in the future still, sigh, me. I know I'm mostly okay without people around, too, and can see why I don't or wouldn't fully work with the men seen around me, the ones liked as friends or met with them married to people who are good partners for them already (better than I would be that is, seeing the difference clearly, ofc), but I have a 5th-8th-2nd style blast of energies or signs to channel in a relationship as well. Deliver, please. /Leo commandment.

And yes, I suppose that's a lot when it comes to it, no matter how "quiet introvert not doing much when it comes to it, easy enough to live with in many ways" I'd supposedly be as well. A lot of supposed things going around, since there's nothing tangible around. Impatient Leo-tail whiff at it and the world?

As in, a lot to take or handle, big stuff/energy, a big personality, something such. It's a non-search of a search for the right counterpart for whatever I am, but whoever either not being around or letting things wait so far. Fine, there's potentially another 40-60 years to go still if you like, something more mature to do, but time just running by seems a bit of a potential waste to some extent as well.

You're welcome to tell me though if as a Sun square Nodes person you think I'd be compatible with a Moon square Nodes person? I know he's not "the one" either, there being someone better compatible still somewhere, but for now the only current remotely interesting person has that. The composite chart has 6H Sag NN square Uranus opposite Moon with Jupiter conjunct SN, Mars a bit wide from the SN at 3-4 degrees if I remember right. Skipped step or nodal galore in any case.

And I never seem to notice transits. Even the supposedly (there's that word again) ghastly Pluto square Pluto was a raised eyebrow of "So... it happened?" at most. Only transit I remember noticing was a retrograde Mars exactly square my Phaethon, when had an inexplicable fall with my bike, so something very tangible. Things happen and they're mostly a shrug to me? Leo Karma-Sun square Nodes? I wouldn't know. I'm pretty sure I'm not a Karma Houdini though, and little things or slow progress has happened over the years, of course. You shouldn't get to my age without having some maturity or something, even if there'd be a Uranus half-return ahead sometime soon, too.

posted September 25, 2015 04:37 PM            

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Moon square. It can be tough. My nodal axis is crappy though, Chiron and Saturn are attached. I suppose my mission is to turn into an android to avoid the suffering this world brings On the other hand, they say... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6HI37GLPu8

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posted September 25, 2015 08:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:

And I never seem to notice transits. Even the supposedly (there's that word again) ghastly Pluto square Pluto was a raised eyebrow of "So... it happened?" at most. Only transit I remember noticing was a retrograde Mars exactly square my Phaethon, when had an inexplicable fall with my bike, so something very tangible. Things happen and they're mostly a shrug to me? Leo Karma-Sun square Nodes? I wouldn't know. I'm pretty sure I'm not a Karma Houdini though, and little things or slow progress has happened over the years, of course. You shouldn't get to my age without having some maturity or something, even if there'd be a Uranus half-return ahead sometime soon, too.

Your NN is on my Antivertex.

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That is strange that you don't feel transits! I have a few planets near the ANGLES so I am wondering if you lack angular planets and maybe that is part of the reason why. Can you post your chart?

posted September 26, 2015 05:52 AM            

ORPHEUS conjunct JUPITER (0°) with my SISYPHUS-HATTA (0°).

... Wow. That says so, so much.

posted September 26, 2015 08:03 AM              

NN/POF 14 Sag on GA

Jupiter 12 Pisces

Mercury 11 Libra
Moon 14 Leo

Aphrodite 13 Virgo, Yod release, mdp of Sun and Venus both squaring nodal axis by 6 deg.

Yod release with Sun and Venus is moving from SN to NN.

But first Jupiter needs to take a trip to SN, where Karma is at 17 Gem.

Sun sq NN, Moon trine NN exact.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted September 26, 2015 08:12 AM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Any thoughts on JUPITER as a skipped step?

In Leo, conjunct ALMA, 9H.

It's also his chartruler.

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Based on his chart, Jupiter is first pushing him towards Mars then SN in 11th: transposing the 5th into 11th, and perhaps finding one's power of creation/procreation with Mars ruling 5th and in Scorpio; a story related to a child or children, fatherhood, may be a crucial push for his life path; if not something related to the principle of gambling in life. Jupiter and Mars as 5th definitely make us think at something involving risking and gambling.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted September 26, 2015 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Question for everyone: what is the route of your nodal sq, is it a SN or NN sq? Look at the planets symbolically activated on the path of the sq for more clues.

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posted September 26, 2015 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Isn't it the same? If it's square the NN, it's square the SN.

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Yes it would square both but depending on how the zodiac moves you can determine the direction is heading. Like I have SN in Sag and NN in Gemini and both square my MERCURY in Virgo so my Journey starts with Northnode, then mercury and ends in Southnode. Meaning, I move towards my SN in order to reach my NN full potential, my journey is one of inner transformation and involves going back to my past to push forward. I had this same question last week and Leeloo explained it with more depth but I am giving you the gist of it. I am trying to find the thread she explained it in....

posted September 26, 2015 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

I've also often thought how intriguing that he has ALMA-JUPITER, while mine is ALMA-JUNO.

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