posted May 11, 2021 12:02 PM            

Last year they decided to separate in the middle of a quite intense and emotionally unstable relationship.

Checking last year (2020) transits

COMPOSITE:
In Composite they were living the Transit Nodes squaring Sun, Venus, Transit Nodes in opposition to Saturn and Uranus and Transit nodes conjunct Chiron.

PROGRESSED COMPOSITE:
they had Progressed Moon composite squaring progressed composite Saturn and Uranus. Also the Axis squaring Saturn and Uranus.

Now they decided to come back during March 2021 but not being very happy together, mostly on his part. (Family duties, mostly children and economy was the based of the decision)

Checking the transits now and the future transits (2021-2022-23), I got this:

HIS NATAL:
He is living his nodal return.

Transit Saturn is making a conjunction to MC/IC and squaring to ASC/DSC Axis and the planets he has conjunct there (Mars and Saturn), then Saturn retrograde and hit again the angles.

Transit Uranus is making a square to the ruler of the 5th house, and will make an opposition to his DC, Saturn and Mars. Uranus will retrograde and hit the angles again.

At some point, Transit Node in Taurus will making an opposition to his DC.

Transit Chiron squaring his Moon.

HER NATAL:
She was also living her saturn return.

In 2022, Transit Saturn will square her AC/DSC Axis, and Uranus will make an opposition to DC, Transit Node will conjunct her ASC.

COMPOSITE:

Actually transit nodes are squaring mars and mercury, there is a square from transit chiron to the moon. In 2022 Transit Saturn will make an opposition to the composite DSC, and Uranus will square the ASC/DSC Axis for a while counting the retrogration and direct again.

PROGRESSED COMPOSITE:
Saturn and Uranus squaring ASC/DSC

I will post the charts here:

COMPOSITE:

PROGRESSED COMPOSITE:

I must say they have an strong synastry, mostly moons in conjunction, also his su/mo midpoint conjunct her Sun, something is pretty commun in long term relationships. His natal moon conjunct her draco Sun and viceverse.

We arent completaly sure about the minutes of her born hour but we know she is an scorpio asc and she was born during these hours.

Despide this, they have been in pretty constant ups and downs. They decided to give a chance to the relationship but I'm not sure if it would be enough.

I would appreaccite a feedback from all of you to understand the dynamics of this relationship and a possible break up.

posted May 11, 2021 01:33 PM            

Their composite Sun-Venus shows true love and affection especially with Venus conjunct NN but I see why you say they’ve been unstable because this conjunction is caught in a t-square with Saturn/Uranus/Neptune and Moon. With the planets in 2/5/11 houses I wonder if their clashes are usually about dreams/goals vs individual expression and stability? But I also noticed their envelop pattern which shows the emotional/sexual intensity. This is probably why they find it hard to let go.

Another glue is their angles conjunction (if her birth time is close to accurate), Moon-Moon/Mars conjunction, Pluto-Mars/Saturn conjunction and Venus conj NN DW which I think is lovely. His Sun on her IC will make her see him as like a family although I don’t like his Chiron on her DSC.

posted May 11, 2021 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I’m sure others can give you a better take at this but here’s what I see...

Their composite Sun-Venus shows true love and affection especially with Venus conjunct NN but I see why you say they’ve been unstable because this conjunction is caught in a t-square with Saturn/Uranus/Neptune and Moon. With the planets in 2/5/11 houses I wonder if their clashes are usually about dreams/goals vs individual expression and stability? But I also noticed their envelop pattern which shows the emotional/sexual intensity. This is probably why they find it hard to let go.

Another glue is their angles conjunction (if her birth time is close to accurate), Moon-Moon/Mars conjunction, Pluto-Mars/Saturn conjunction and Venus conj NN DW which I think is lovely. His Sun on her IC will make her see him as like a family although I don’t like his Chiron on her DSC.

I noticed they have pMoon square Neptune. This is usually a divisive aspect and pMoon is also squaring their comp Moon so if they’re patching back now, it may not last long... unless they’re able to endure till pMoon conjunct Jupiter. Where was pMoon when they broke up last year?

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Hey, thank you so much for your reply.
Yes, I noticed that square between Neptune and Moon in their progressed composite. Which made think they are probably just faking the situation and they havent just realized that yet. He has been unfaithful many times, she is very jealous and very possessive, the fights are very hard and isn't something new. The whole relationship has been toxic. I wonder how this dynamic can last longer if it is not for the effect that Neptune and the Moon give.

posted May 11, 2021 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi!! I agree with Hikaru, comp. Saturn/Uranus square Sun/Venus/North Node is very unstable.
I guess they parted ways when transiting south node was conjunct to comp. Uranus/Saturn, and they got together again as transiting north node was square to mercury and tr. jupiter on the ASC, but I'm afraid it's not going to last long cause Uranus is opposite Pluto and Saturn is going to be square to composite MC... tr. Saturn has past a square to Pluto so I guess there was big effort to get together again and make things work out. tr. Chiron is square to the Moon/Neptune opposition, and
tr. neptune is square comp. chiron/saturn opposition, it seems they especially are trying to get along 'cause of children involved? I am not sure it's enough... with the nodes square to uranus they have a karmic bond, but on-off and parting ways is always a risk here. The Chiron/Saturn/Sun-Venus t-square is a heavy burden between them, this is emotionally draining, if they part ways they'll always stay connected by children (if they have any) but it seems keeping triggering issues, criticism and arguments between them.

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This is so funny Stoika, how do you know they have kids? hahaha. They have 3 kids and one of them is a newborn, she got pregnant last year in a desperate way to get him back but it didnt happen just until now. So kids here are a big issue and probably the most important reason as you explained here to get back, like they are trying to give a chance. I wonder if you get that from some aspect. The kids thing haha.

Yes, relationship was over and pretty bad when South Node conjuncted Uranus/Saturn.

I was quite shocked when I found out they were together again, we didnt expect that at all and we really don't want them together because they clearly aren't happy with each other and its a emotionally draining for both of them and family and friends notice that. Their main issues is like dysfunctionalities at home. They are different lifestyles, they want to raise their children differently, they have quite different ideas about how to run a home, their roles in the home, their functions, it's just a disaster. They really made a great effort to get back together, it will probably work but as you say, I think this union will not last long or it would be again an on/off thing.

posted May 11, 2021 05:29 PM            

This is the same aspect giving them all the issues you're describing, so if they stay together it's going to be harsh to find a family harmony, but especially tr. saturn square MC will give them a big test, likely quite stressful... I'm not sure they'll overcome it.....

posted May 12, 2021 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by maleja.rangel:
Hey, thank you so much for your reply.
Yes, I noticed that square between Neptune and Moon in their progressed composite. Which made think they are probably just faking the situation and they havent just realized that yet. He has been unfaithful many times, she is very jealous and very possessive, the fights are very hard and isn't something new. The whole relationship has been toxic. I wonder how this dynamic can last longer if it is not for the effect that Neptune and the Moon give.

Last year they have progressed Moon in Virgo, it was squaring progressed Saturn, Uranus and Chiron. All of 2020 and part of 2019 was of constant fights, separations and lies.

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The pMoon-Neptune square indicates they’re not reviewing their relationship clearly. They have 3 kids?? 🤦🏻‍♀️ May God bless them. I’m not in support of staying for the sake of the kids if the relationship is toxic. The kids are better off growing up without watching their parents torment each other and you said he has cheated many times... that’s another huge no.

posted May 12, 2021 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
I though of the kids issue because of the Sun-Saturn-Chiron t-square with Chiron in 5th house and transits pointing to this aspect ;-)

This is the same aspect giving them all the issues you're describing, so if they stay together it's going to be harsh to find a family harmony, but especially tr. saturn square MC will give them a big test, likely quite stressful... I'm not sure they'll overcome it.....

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WOW, amazing. Yes, that's my worry, tr. saturn square mc. Also at some point Uranus will join to the IC, squaring the AC/DC axis. right? Probably they will have help from Jupiter and the North Node?. Most of the cases I have seen that relationships break because Moon or Venus is bad aspected with Uranus or Saturn. in this case they aren't. Or this aspect alone can produce that?

They did survive that Saturn/Uranus conjunction to the South Node tought.

posted May 13, 2021 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Uranus on IC square DSC can be a breaking up aspect, if it happens with other breaking up aspects... but it will take some time, maybe it may bring a definitive break up, or a change in any case. before that, the serious problem I see along Saturn square MC, is that transiting Saturn will also be retrograde, going back to square comp. Pluto again, and then in autumn it will go direct again towards another square to comp. MC...

transiting south node on Uranus/Saturn can have long time effects, it may signal their first temporary separation but it also signals that their relationship won't ever be like it used to be before, even if they came together again. the nodal transit in this case especially triggers the Chiron/Saturn/Sun t-square, so since that moment the negative effects of this t-square may be activated...

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wow, thank you Stoika, you are always giving a lot of information that is very important, I wonder how long have you been learning astrology? haha. Have you had the chance to try Horary Astrology? if you, what is your experience?. and I wanted ask you one more thing, if Saturn retrogrades but when goes direct its close in orb to some angle, effect would be felt? for example, i have an example of a couple that also break up, they come back but they already have passed the transit of Saturn squaring IC, but Saturn will be retrograde and goes direct with Saturn squaring IC by an orb of 1, it would be felt or it needs to pass the IC during retrogradation?

posted May 13, 2021 10:13 AM            

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Originally posted by AlmaRegulus:
I have a composite with similar angles but earlier degrees (10*-11*) and Venus on MC. And strangely, we actually got together with tr. Saturn on Asc and tr. Uranus on IC (forming a big square with composite Venus & MC and composite Jupiter & Dsc), although I am not very optimistic about the relationship in long-term sense, but so far it hasn't fallen apart.

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posted May 13, 2021 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by maleja.rangel:
Hey Alma, are you having similar transits in your natal charts? specially Saturn or Uranus being active with your angles? thank you

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maleja.rangel, yeah, they are pretty active.

In my chart tr. Saturn is conj my South Node in the 3rd, with a square to tr. Uranus (in the 6th but approaching Dsc; also, tr. Uranus is in applying conjunction to my Chiron); tr. Saturn is trine to my Moon-Jupiter-Saturn

In his case tr. Uranus is in his 1st house in opposition to his natal Pluto (ruler of 7th in the 7th), with a t-square to tr. Saturn in the 10th house

posted May 13, 2021 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by maleja.rangel:
wow, thank you Stoika, you are always giving a lot of information that is very important, I wonder how long have you been learning astrology? haha. Have you had the chance to try Horary Astrology? if you, what is your experience?. and I wanted ask you one more thing, if Saturn retrogrades but when goes direct its close in orb to some angle, effect would be felt? for example, i have an example of a couple that also break up, they come back but they already have passed the transit of Saturn squaring IC, but Saturn will be retrograde and goes direct with Saturn squaring IC by an orb of 1, it would be felt or it needs to pass the IC during retrogradation?

Thank you <3

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ahah, thank you! Actually, it's not so long I have been studying astrology. I was attracted to it since very young but never really got into it until about 4-5 years ago... no I am not too familiar with horary, I am still too focused on traditional astrology, lol

posted May 19, 2021 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
ahah, thank you! Actually, it's not so long I have been studying astrology. I was attracted to it since very young but never really got into it until about 4-5 years ago... no I am not too familiar with horary, I am still too focused on traditional astrology, lol

Retrograde transit usually bring freeze, delay or review in situation, depending on the retrograde planet, aspects and context... when the planet goes direct, usually the "settlement" or review period ends and the transit brings a definitive resolution or a final "dejŕ-vů" of what was unsolved before. the square at 1 orb can be felt, it may bring a definitive reunion or a definitve separation, it depends on the context and the whole transit situation when they broke up or got together again...

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I didnt notice you replied to this thread again, sorry for not giving you a feedback. Yes, I can clearly see your experience here, for example, I do know a few things but its like you just get something and put it into a full package so its simple for you haha, I struggle with that, like putting all into a same page and get a clear view so with you I'm learning a lot. You should give astrology classes, I will be in. haha

Anyways, I got the original hour for her so things changed a bit. Here:

So they come back with the nodes squaring mercury and mars, saturn close to the DSC, and uranus making an opposition to the IC. Does this changes a bit the things?