posted August 28, 2014 04:11 PM            

Synastry:

posted August 28, 2014 05:37 PM            

A LOT of positive stuff, a lot. But there are two things that stand out negatively.

The first thing that stands out for non-compatibility is his DC ruler, Venus, recieving practically nothing relationship-positive from you. There's nurturing, nice though not a massive attractant, and then there are BML and Chiron squares, that's pretty rough.

The second is your Moon. It's getting nothing.

And then you see Moon with Saturn in composite.

This is quite a case, there are so many positive indicators, and yet two big factors fail. Hm.

posted August 28, 2014 07:00 PM            

I am not an astrologer.

What caught my eye ...

1. In the synastry Karma is conjunct (exact?) the other's Asc. To me the relationship was fated to solve Karma release. Given Gaia's ascension, your Higher Self (via you) wanted to make sure you had no left over Karma so that your soul may Ascend with Gaia.

posted August 28, 2014 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
I have to say, this is really interesting. Just so much stuff...

A LOT of positive stuff, a lot. But there are two things that stand out negatively.

The first thing that stands out for non-compatibility is his DC ruler, Venus, recieving practically nothing relationship-positive from you. There's nurturing, nice though not a massive attractant, and then there are BML and Chiron squares, that's pretty rough.

The second is your Moon. It's getting nothing.

And then you see Moon with Saturn in composite.

This is quite a case, there are so many positive indicators, and yet two big factors fail. Hm.

How do you feel about this relationship now? Why did you break up?

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At the time of the break up (about a year and a half ago) I felt like there was "better" out there for me. He was younger than me, still very immature, and with a very uncertain future. His ideas on his life path changed almost daily which worried me. I wanted stability and someone "older and wiser" who could teach me a thing or two.

What kept us going almost 3 years was our friendship first and foremost and how much we cared about each other ("cared" being the keyword). From the second I heard his voice we had an easy rapport which put everything in motion. We were like two peas in a pod and everyone thought we were the "ideal" couple because of how well we meshed. We just got each other. Towards the end though we had lost that passion and we were ultimately more like best friends than anything else.

To this day I struggle to find someone I've had that sort of a connection with. Sometimes I wonder if the sort of connection we had was better than the one I think I want because friendship and laughter is what sees you through the good and bad.

It's interesting you mention that about his Venus and my Moon because I certainly felt emotionally attached to him on some level. I guess I never really even questioned his feelings for me because he was always very supportive and nurturing where he could be but he was actually very quiet about voicing his emotions. I never questioned them so I never asked. I wonder if he even felt that love for me or if he felt the same way I did about the friendship?! He was always the quiet, nerdish, "nice guy" type and so he didn't rock the boat much.

I was the one to instigate the break up and though it was heartbreaking and emotional, he didn't fight me on it...he understood my reasons. It was almost like that "if you really love someone let them go" type of situation.

Hmm...

Well this is getting really long but since the break up he and I have remained friends, talking occasionally but I think we both still hold our memories of how it was, both of us comparing, even though we don't voice that out loud...

I figured with a composite like that it must be meaningful in some way. It sort of took me back when I generated it for the first time. Definitely complex and that's kind of how this whole thing feels to me.

posted August 28, 2014 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by carm76:

Hi Margym0o,

I am not an astrologer.

What caught my eye ...

1. In the synastry Karma is conjunct (exact?) the other's Asc. To me the relationship was fated to solve Karma release. Given Gaia's ascension, your Higher Self (via you) wanted to make sure you had no left over Karma so that your soul may Ascend with Gaia.

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Interesting. I'll have to look into that a bit more. The way we came together played out like a movie so I can believe the fated component.

Nice city you live in btw

posted August 29, 2014 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
At the time of the break up (about a year and a half ago) I felt like there was "better" out there for me. He was younger than me, still very immature, and with a very uncertain future. His ideas on his life path changed almost daily which worried me. I wanted stability and someone "older and wiser" who could teach me a thing or two.

What kept us going almost 3 years was our friendship first and foremost and how much we cared about each other ("cared" being the keyword). From the second I heard his voice we had an easy rapport which put everything in motion. We were like two peas in a pod and everyone thought we were the "ideal" couple because of how well we meshed. We just got each other. Towards the end though we had lost that passion and we were ultimately more like best friends than anything else.

To this day I struggle to find someone I've had that sort of a connection with. Sometimes I wonder if the sort of connection we had was better than the one I think I want because friendship and laughter is what sees you through the good and bad.

It's interesting you mention that about his Venus and my Moon because I certainly felt emotionally attached to him on some level. I guess I never really even questioned his feelings for me because he was always very supportive and nurturing where he could be but he was actually very quiet about voicing his emotions. I never questioned them so I never asked. I wonder if he even felt that love for me or if he felt the same way I did about the friendship?! He was always the quiet, nerdish, "nice guy" type and so he didn't rock the boat much.

I was the one to instigate the break up and though it was heartbreaking and emotional, he didn't fight me on it...he understood my reasons. It was almost like that "if you really love someone let them go" type of situation.

Hmm...

Well this is getting really long but since the break up he and I have remained friends, talking occasionally but I think we both still hold our memories of how it was, both of us comparing, even though we don't voice that out loud...

I figured with a composite like that it must be meaningful in some way. It sort of took me back when I generated it for the first time. Definitely complex and that's kind of how this whole thing feels to me.

Btw @libran_dream I really enjoy your readings. I find them very thorough and easy to understand so I'm kinda glad you jumped in on this one.

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That's a good breakdown that you wrote, I get it more now. I think one reason why you broke up was your Sun on MC placement. That makes for an ambitious personality, someone wanting to seize the day, make the best of their life... And his Saturn+Uranus was opposing that, making it feel like he was dragging you down. In reality, it's a good aspect for a long-term, stable relationship, which you're probably realizing now. But it's all about your priorities, you know, if that's not what satisfies you, it's just not.

Moving on, I actually really think his Eros on your NN is a great aspect. Your Sun is on your MC and his Psyche is on your Saturn+Juno. That is seriously lovely.

One theme that is coming out to me here is that he would be a very good partner to you IF you accepted the situation in which you are the more ambitious one, and he is the one giving you emotional support, holding down the home life, so to speak. That could work.

An obstacle to all that is your Moon that is demanding of emotional intimacy, excitement, and also - communication. He doesn't seem like a huge talker from his chart. The H12 chart ruler makes for a shy person, not very clear with what they want to say.

You have a very dynamic Moon-Venus combo, that needs attention and excitement - Leo&Scorpio, Fire&Water; he has a quiet double Earth combo of Virgo&Capricorn. On his side, he needs something to complete that great trine at around 10 Taurus, that neither of you activate. So you're probably not entirely right for him either.

posted August 29, 2014 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:

Aw, thanks, that's very kind to say.

That's a good breakdown that you wrote, I get it more now. I think one reason why you broke up was your Sun on MC placement. That makes for an ambitious personality, someone wanting to seize the day, make the best of their life... And his Saturn+Uranus was opposing that, making it feel like he was dragging you down. In reality, it's a good aspect for a long-term, stable relationship, which you're probably realizing now. But it's all about your priorities, you know, if that's not what satisfies you, it's just not.

Moving on, I actually really think his Eros on your NN is a great aspect. Your Sun is on your MC and his Psyche is on your Saturn+Juno. That is seriously lovely.

One theme that is coming out to me here is that he would be a very good partner to you IF you accepted the situation in which you are the more ambitious one, and he is the one giving you emotional support, holding down the home life, so to speak. That could work.

An obstacle to all that is your Moon that is demanding of emotional intimacy, excitement, and also - communication. He doesn't seem like a huge talker from his chart. The H12 chart ruler makes for a shy person, not very clear with what they want to say.

You have a very dynamic Moon-Venus combo, that needs attention and excitement - Leo&Scorpio, Fire&Water; he has a quiet double Earth combo of Virgo&Capricorn. On his side, he needs something to complete that great trine at around 10 Taurus, that neither of you activate. So you're probably not entirely right for him either.

I see a lot of "almost" here. My opinion is that this could definitely work as a great supportive partnership of two adults, if you each take each other as you are and consciously work on appreciating each other. The question is - what do you really want for your life?
When did you break up? I can look up transits to see if we can find any clues about what was happening.

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Thank you so much. Makes a lot of sense. That is absolutely how it would have played out had we of stayed together. I would have had to accept that I would always want "more" for myself/us while he quietly supported me/us behind the scenes. However, this is not to say he wasn't "ambitious" himself, he just TALKED about it more...and was very wishy-washy in deciding a concrete path. Since our split he has actually done well for himself, settling into a well-paying, comfortable job (that fell into his lap out of pure luck, might I add...), but now again he is talking about maybe going back to school and then doing a year of studies is Australia...WTF?! Case in point.

As far as him being shy, on a surface level, absolutely yes. Throw him into a room full of strangers and you'd be lucky to get a peep out of him. With his friends and people he is comfortable with however, definitely not. He chats up a storm about anything and everything and he is HILARIOUS. People love him for his wacky sense of humour. He also comes across as very genuine, humble and a "good guy" so he has few enemies - "everyone loves D D" should have been his life slogan. Oddly enough he did have a bit of a short-fuse and wasn't afraid to voice his frustrations, however this was mostly channeled into his video games...(nerd remember?) I attributed that to this Aries Mars maybe? He and I NEVER fought though. If we had an issue we just talked it out.

posted August 29, 2014 04:36 PM            

Interestingly Neptune was on the last degree of Aquarius then and entered Pisces only about two weeks later. So it probably would have "hit" only then, especially since it would have moved from your H5 to your H6 in that period.

Mars was on your Saturn/Juno in mid October, so that's when you would have been driven to act on your ambitions. It was in his H8 then, and moved into H10 when you left. Woah.

You know, I don't know how you communicate about your break up nowadays, but I think you leaving hurt him a lot more than he's been willing to say.

I don't know, I find myself kind of rooting for you two.

posted August 29, 2014 05:13 PM            

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I'm looking at November 30 2012 right now and there was an almost exact Mars/Pluto conjunction going on that was pretty much right on his Neptune and very close to his Moon. And opposite his Chiron too. AND the Sun in his H8. He must have been absolutely devastated. Saturn was closing in on his Venus then and went over it in the next year. So that's pretty rough. I think he's definitely not the same person that he was before.

Interestingly Neptune was on the last degree of Aquarius then and entered Pisces only about two weeks later. So it probably would have "hit" only then, especially since it would have moved from your H5 to your H6 in that period.

Mars was on your Saturn/Juno in mid October, so that's when you would have been driven to act on your ambitions. It was in his H8 then, and moved into H10 when you left. Woah.

You know, I don't know how you communicate about your break up nowadays, but I think you leaving hurt him a lot more than he's been willing to say.

I don't know, I find myself kind of rooting for you two.

EDIT: I didn't even see this one immediately, but it is HUGE. Uranus was exactly on your composite North Node, a few minutes away. Meaning that his Destinn&Vertex and Mars opposition on your composite Nodal Axis was triggered. Big, big sign. Hugely karmic.

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Big sign on the day I left? Or you mean in general for the relationship? Karmic meaning it was a fated relationship for that specific reason or we should still be together?

You are absolutely right when you say he is not the same person. Even in my communications with him to this day I can tell he is different. He doesn't have the same "spunk" he did before - kind of hard to describe. He still has his same sense of humour but it's more muted. Almost like his overall sense of self is a little more "serious" now. I can't say this is a direct result of us breaking up or more what has transpired in his life over the past year and a half but something definitely changed.

The funny thing is our communication never ever really changed. Even after I got back home and reality hit that it was "over" we kept talking as if nothing had changed. Not a shred of hard feelings or resentment from his side. So strange. We don't talk very often but when we can pick up like nothing happened and still crack the same jokes. So unlike a typical break up scenario.

It's SO weird now that I'm sitting here rehashing this...

posted August 29, 2014 06:04 PM            

A thought, margy.

Have you looked at your progressions at the time your relationship began and ended? A lot of the time, the 'instantaneous connexion' which doesn't continue is a result of strong progressed links without the synastry to support it, or just not as intensely.

posted September 02, 2014 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
libran_dream has incredible insight. It's as if she articulates the things I can't see because I'm too close to them.

A thought, margy.

Have you looked at your progressions at the time your relationship began and ended? A lot of the time, the 'instantaneous connexion' which doesn't continue is a result of strong progressed links without the synastry to support it, or just not as intensely.

And I'll second an aspect like KARMA exactly conjunct ASC in synastry will tend to indicate a karmic relationship in which the purpose is to release old debts.

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Thank you but I'm not entirely familiar how to look up progressions - that and the time the relationship actually OFFICIALLY began is a little bit of a grey area

posted September 03, 2014 08:26 AM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Big sign on the day I left? Or you mean in general for the relationship? Karmic meaning it was a fated relationship for that specific reason or we should still be together?

You are absolutely right when you say he is not the same person. Even in my communications with him to this day I can tell he is different. He doesn't have the same "spunk" he did before - kind of hard to describe. He still has his same sense of humour but it's more muted. Almost like his overall sense of self is a little more "serious" now. I can't say this is a direct result of us breaking up or more what has transpired in his life over the past year and a half but something definitely changed.

The funny thing is our communication never ever really changed. Even after I got back home and reality hit that it was "over" we kept talking as if nothing had changed. Not a shred of hard feelings or resentment from his side. So strange. We don't talk very often but when we can pick up like nothing happened and still crack the same jokes. So unlike a typical break up scenario.

It's SO weird now that I'm sitting here rehashing this...

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Why do you think you're second-guessing your connection with him now?

posted September 03, 2014 09:44 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:

Karmic meaning that the day you left had a large concentration of energy for you both, and you made the decision that you did - so it was very important. You had choices, there were lots of things you could have done, but you chose what you chose. And it was important that things happened the way they did. Something very old was released in that, and something new was created.

Why do you think you're second-guessing your connection with him now?

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Mostly because I haven't found anything as "easy" as it was with him since then so I wonder if I walked away from something that could have had the potential to endure for superficial reasons. I really truly believed and felt like he LOVED me which is hard to come by.

posted September 03, 2014 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Mostly because I haven't found anything as "easy" as it was with him since then so I wonder if I walked away from something that could have had the potential to endure for superficial reasons. I really truly believed and felt like he LOVED me which is hard to come by.

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posted September 03, 2014 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:

Aw. Well, maybe talk to him about it, see where he stands. You've both grown up in the meantime, maybe you need to clear out the space between you regarding your expectations of one another. There is a H6 Moon-Saturn conjunction in the composite, so that is quite demanding. Emotions would be long-lasting, which is great, but it is an aspect that needs maturity to fully flower.
Especially with H12 Chiron near AC. All of those are great "glue", when questions of maturity and expectations are addressed and evaluated.

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Thank you for your guiding me through this. I have often thought of "going there" again and revisiting the past with him but that would be a hard conversation.

I would love to have you look at the charts of my current partner if you have time to see if you think there is any long-term potential there because some days I'm not sure. He is a tough nut to crack.

posted September 04, 2014 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Thank you for your guiding me through this. I have often thought of "going there" again and revisiting the past with him but that would be a hard conversation.

I would love to have you look at the charts of my current partner if you have time to see if you think there is any long-term potential there because some days I'm not sure. He is a tough nut to crack.

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posted September 04, 2014 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:

Sure, no problem! Post the synastry and the composite and let's see what we can figure out.
LeeLoo's new thread has an A-MAZING breakdown of asteroids to use so check that out.

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Yes, I saw that thread. Wow. I think I know what I could spend a whole Saturday afternoon looking at

You're so kind! Thank you! I already know it's definitely not the strongest synastry, but there's just something about him! I sense the potential but all I can really say is he is very hesitant to "give himself up" to me if that makes any sense.

Synastry (I'm on the inside):

posted September 06, 2014 06:12 PM            

-His Venus is on your Sun&MC. This would make you want to make his romantic side "officially" yours - wanting a romantic commitment from him is indicated here. However, for him, this Venus is in his H3, and in Gemini - so his romantic side likes variety, casualness. Your Saturn and his Mercury are widely inconjunct - a lack of fit there.
- To further his theme of resisting being tied down, we have an Aries DC(impulsive personality), H7 ruler, Venus, in Gemini in house 3(variety, lack of desire for stability), North Node on Mercury(his goal in life is to not be constrained) and AC trine Uranus. All of this tells us he is not the kind of person that truly yearns for stability and monogamy, at face value.
- However, we do see that his Saturn in H7 is square the Nodal Axis. So he would be *trying* to be more responsible in relationships, he would really feel like he has to make a long-term relationship work to work out some of his own issues of inadequacy. But he would be self-sabotaging every step of the way.
- Your Leo Venus completes his AC-Uranus into a Grand Trine. He would be very drawn to your femininity for this reason. He finds you exciting.
- The cPluto is on your natal North Node, so you would be very drawn to this relationship for its depths and its transformative qualities. It's certainly something that will, or has, changed you.
- The cNorth Node is on your Juno&Saturn, the cJuno is on your Union&Uranus. A double marriage/LTR aspect there on your side. But that cJuno is opposite his Chiron, so that's a bit of a problem for him.
- The cSun&Venus are on his North Node. That's pretty excellent. It would mean he would feel challenged to grow into a person that could feel fulfilled and loved in this relationship. It's an aspirational thing.
- Jupiter in H7 opposite Sun&Venus in H1 can be very nice. But there can also be problems with making thing "too" free.
- The cMoon. It is in AQU in H8, and on your Mars/cLilith midpoint. That's a powerful attractant imo, for you. In synastry, we see that it falls in your H5, great, but his H12. So he's less likely to be demonstrative about your mutual feelings than you. He's still in this relationship, but its emotional component is more an internal, hidden thing for him than for you.

posted September 11, 2014 02:26 PM            

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Things that stand out:

-His Venus is on your Sun&MC. This would make you want to make his romantic side "officially" yours - wanting a romantic commitment from him is indicated here. However, for him, this Venus is in his H3, and in Gemini - so his romantic side likes variety, casualness. Your Saturn and his Mercury are widely inconjunct - a lack of fit there.
- To further his theme of resisting being tied down, we have an Aries DC(impulsive personality), H7 ruler, Venus, in Gemini in house 3(variety, lack of desire for stability), North Node on Mercury(his goal in life is to not be constrained) and AC trine Uranus. All of this tells us he is not the kind of person that truly yearns for stability and monogamy, at face value.
- However, we do see that his Saturn in H7 is square the Nodal Axis. So he would be *trying* to be more responsible in relationships, he would really feel like he has to make a long-term relationship work to work out some of his own issues of inadequacy. But he would be self-sabotaging every step of the way.
- Your Leo Venus completes his AC-Uranus into a Grand Trine. He would be very drawn to your femininity for this reason. He finds you exciting.
- The cPluto is on your natal North Node, so you would be very drawn to this relationship for its depths and its transformative qualities. It's certainly something that will, or has, changed you.
- The cNorth Node is on your Juno&Saturn, the cJuno is on your Union&Uranus. A double marriage/LTR aspect there on your side. But that cJuno is opposite his Chiron, so that's a bit of a problem for him.
- The cSun&Venus are on his North Node. That's pretty excellent. It would mean he would feel challenged to grow into a person that could feel fulfilled and loved in this relationship. It's an aspirational thing.
- Jupiter in H7 opposite Sun&Venus in H1 can be very nice. But there can also be problems with making thing "too" free.
- The cMoon. It is in AQU in H8, and on your Mars/cLilith midpoint. That's a powerful attractant imo, for you. In synastry, we see that it falls in your H5, great, but his H12. So he's less likely to be demonstrative about your mutual feelings than you. He's still in this relationship, but its emotional component is more an internal, hidden thing for him than for you.

There are lots of aspects between you two that show how you're drawn together, for sure. I am seeing lots of karmic markers here. But, can I see the long-term potential? I don't know... That stelium of his in H7 is very, very demanding. He has some serious, deep-seeded issues about romantic relationships that he might not want to discuss. Did his parents have a bad divorce or something? I don't know how that's played out.
Are you willing to go through all these issues of his together with him? It seems like there's a lot to work on.

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Thank you thank you! So sorry for the delayed response. Everything you said makes a lot of sense, especially what you said about my perspective. I absolutely feel like this relationship has changed me (or certainly my views of relationships) and I do crave for him to just "be mine" if that makes sense. I actually discussed this with him and without addressing any one aspect directly he simply said he is maybe hesitant to fully open up to me because he did in the past and those relationships never worked out, but that he also does not necessarily feel "casual" about relationships in general or ours in particular. I think he gives his all (or at least all there is to give) when he is with someone. When he was younger I think it was a very different story but now that he is over 30 his perspective has changed. I can definitely sense like you had suggested that he is "aspiring" to be better because he really takes my opinions to heart and acknowledges his faults and flaws. He does make efforts to "be better" for me because I feel like he really wants to be in this. If not, I think he would have left already. I've contributed my fair share of "emotional scenes" (thanks Scorpio Moon...) and he's been calm through them all (go Taurus Moon!).

I always thought this relationship was tipped more in his favour because the house overlays are more in his favour (but of course this is just my inexperienced take on it). Is this the case?

posted September 26, 2014 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Hi Margy!
I'm not really sure what you're asking so not sure how to respond. I don't think any synastry is ever tipped in one person's favour; a relationship is not a competition. But that's just my take on things.
Anyways, how are things going for the two of you? If you're curious about the future of the relationship, my suggestion to you is to look into progression astrology, that might tell you quite a lot!

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I thought I had read that synastry technically can be tipped in someone's favour if one person's planets have "better aspects" made to them than the other person. Same would apply for house overlays, i.e. my Venus and Mercury fall in his 5th, whereas none of his planets fall in my 5th, or is that energy still reciprocal?

It's actually better than ever, like the more time we spend together the better it gets. It's been a slowwwwwwwww burn but I can tell he is more invested now than before. He is more openly expressive about his feelings and is actively participating in the relationship more. Through this I have really learned that patience is key (especially with Cancers???) and to curb my frustration when things don't move as fast as I want them to. I feel like this relationship stirs more inside of me than with the first guy. The first guy was great don't get me wrong but it was a different sort of "best friends" type relationship whereas I really, like you had mentioned, feel like I am growing and transforming as a result of this relationship.