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Topic: Draconic to natal Sun-Moon synastry
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Keela Knowflake Posts: 680 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted January 16, 2015 02:33 AM
Does anyone have further insights to the importance or relevance of contacts between the Sun and Moon specifically, in natal to draconic and draco to draco synastry?If it's "the lights" or male-female symbols and what is said to be good to have in contact for your relevant relationships or a partner, what if it's more so there in natal to draco contacts? What if it's ONLY in natal to draco contacts? Any other insights or thoughts and comments? I'm leaving out the Sun/Moon MP in the above situation or scenario on a basic level, for the question first off, although realize that people say to look for contacts to the midpoint if there isn't contact between the Sun-Moon otherwise. IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 680 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted January 16, 2015 03:01 AM
For an example... Numbers stand for degrees.Natals have: Sun 2 square Sun Moon 3-4 square Sun Sun ~146 from Moon (wide biquintile?) Moons around ~32 deg from each other, too wide for a semisextile Draconic touches: Sun 0-1 conj drac Sun Moon 0-1 opp drac Sun Drac Sun 0 square Moon Drac Sun ~2-3 opp drac Moon Drac Moons ~1 conjunct There's presumably some level of contact, similarity or something (past?) with people if the draconic Moons conjunct and another person's Draconic Sun heads over to where the other person's Sun is otherwise...but what does it really suggest? That on a practical level or in esoteric terms, I don't mind what your focus is, I'm just suddenly brainfarty over even basic draconic level interpretations. Emotional natures vibe on the draconic level (and it's two Cancer Moons there, so even more so?) but does that show in anything actual or "current" in people's interactions? Do you feel anything like that? Is it mere "Potential chumminess and coziness" with draconic Moons in contact? The tentative square and possible biquintile aspects between the Sun and Moon turn into closer or more visible opposition and square aspects when the other person's draconic Sun takes contact with the natal Moon. The Sun is said to drive things with those two, so I find myself with questions of if the contact is felt differently if it's a draconic Moon contacting natal Suns, for example? Draconic Sun heading over to where one person has their Sun as it is makes you ask if it's as if the dSun were headed to where and how the other Sun already is? Is it some being an "example" to the other business? Something similar somewhere underneath? "I know who you are, and I know how you/we both feel"? For the woo-woo sides (if you like), if you get such close conjunction hits from the draconic level, how much is it that "You're one of 'mine' or higher 'me' in another form, someone from my soulgroup" as a potential? IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 2001 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted January 16, 2015 10:01 AM
Yeah, I'm still wondering what his nSUN on my dMOON (1º30) is, exactly. I can never quite find delineations for that.We've got a 1º dSUN conjunct dSUN, too. Wow. Crazy, Keela. What do you think is up there? I've often been fascinated how his 8º CAN SUN and my 19º LIB MOON turned into 01º and 03º GEM. IP: Logged |
bumblebee Knowflake Posts: 232 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted January 16, 2015 12:46 PM
When you bring the theme about midpoints I just realized that his draco sun/moon midpoint conjunct my tropical sun.IP: Logged |
Peluches Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Vαleŋtiŋe ~ Registered: Jul 2014
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posted January 16, 2015 06:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne : Yeah, I'm still wondering what his nSUN on my dMOON (1º30) is, exactly. I can never quite find delineations for that.We've got a 1º dSUN conjunct dSUN, too.
Are you talking about your husband or your Twin ? IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 2001 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted January 16, 2015 08:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by Peluches: Are you talking about your husband or your Twin ?
Neither, actually. My Guardian. IP: Logged |
Peluches Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Vαleŋtiŋe ~ Registered: Jul 2014
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posted January 16, 2015 08:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne: Neither, actually. My Guardian.
Oh, sorry. Actually I was thinking those could point to a similar level of soul evolution, especially with the dSun/dSun conjunction. As the Draco chart is calculated by moving the NN to 0.00 Aries, and the whole chart with it accordingly, dSun conjunct dSun means that the difference in degrees between nNN and nSun is the same for both. Which made me think that you were maybe talking about your Twin (who is more likely to have the same level of soul evolution as you do, imo). IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 680 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 08:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne: Yeah, I'm still wondering what his nSUN on my dMOON (1º30) is, exactly. I can never quite find delineations for that.We've got a 1º dSUN conjunct dSUN, too. Wow. Crazy, Keela. What do you think is up there? I've often been fascinated how his 8º CAN SUN and my 19º LIB MOON turned into 01º and 03º GEM.
Yeah, if _I_ knew I wouldn't have posted the question/s. ;P I just found it interesting that it was specifically the draconic Suns making more contacts to the moons in the example. I have a friend whose drac Moon is opposite my Sun, for another. Drac Moon also some 2-3 conjunct my natal Moon from what I recall, and with that Sun-dMoon thing I seem to be more the driving force or an active ("masculine"?) figure. In some ways, anyway. They're Taurus, I'm Leo (no antiscia contact with the Suns though), and the person is to some extent "a-gender" so potentially less on the feminine sides than I should be, for one, with both born on the "female" side, but I'm more the "go-get" (Sun?) in our interactions. Hence also all the questions about the difference if it's draco Suns in contact with the natal or draco Moons doing something with the regular stuff. His natal Sun and your dMoon seem to conform to traditional male-female ideas with these things, although I don't know if it shows in your interactions or how you feel your roles or balance of actions goes. My example has the male's dSun opposite female's Moon, fem dSun square male's Moon, and fem dSun opposite both dMoons. To some extent that seems to go with a sense or idea of both being "gung-ho" or tally-ho about "leading" or doing their thing and automatically thinking the other will follow or respond to that as the Moon-counterpart. I'm not sure if it then goes back to the natal patterns to see if a man will LIKE a woman being that much an active figure or not, or what something like that suggests. That there is mutual contact and the aspect exists seems to suggest that the man is fine with her in such roles, too, but I don't know if that's just wishful logic when it comes to some men. And with dSun square Moon, maybe his Moon or ideas of women want another kind of a charmer for themselves and find the contact grating, despite being pulled in against better judgement? No idea. Draconic squares never get talked anywhere. I think the most is IQ saying something about past lives and how people didn't get together with draco squares or oppositions, but I may be remembering even that wrong. As to your natal to draco pattern, I'm currently fascinated that two things that are 1-2 conjunct each other, points x and y in two charts, can both end up on the other person's North Node in their draconic positions simply because of how many degrees the NNs are from 0 Aries. One person moves about 4 signs ahead draconically, another 3, and suddenly things conjunct end up drac-touching the other person's NN despite the different charts. It's no doubt logical or mathematical or something, but when you first notice it it seems weird. IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 680 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 08:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by bumblebee: When you bring the theme about midpoints I just realized that his draco sun/moon midpoint conjunct my tropical sun.
Actually, I should have looked at midpoints myself, too. I just realized that the example has weird Sun/Moon midpoint action as well. In the same people order as above: Drac Sun/Moon MP opp Moon Sun/Moon MP square dr. Sun Moon contrascia Sun/Moon Drac Moon antiscia SN Drac Sun antiscia NN SN conj Sun SN antiscia drac Sun/Moon MP (Means person B's Sun is antiscia their own draconic Sun/Moon MP) It's a bit wide at about 2 degrees, but there is an interesting further mirroring with the first person's Sun antiscia only those two degrees from person B's Sun/Moon MP, A's Moon contrascia exactly. Trying for contact, one way or another. I don't know if some of those are supposedly automatic if there is draconic chart contact and this being talk of the South Nodes here, but suddenly it just struck me or seemed weird. One person's SN in touch with the Sun, and then the draconic Moon in touch with the other's SN. Seemingly "clear" division of male-female roles? "Clear" if at a stretch with talking antiscia of draconic charts, but they should still be valid even if I never saw people bring them up before. I just don't know what else it implies or brings in, and that's what everybody seems to be missing here. :/ Aubyanne, any opinions on the antiscia or midpoint contacts above? I only just realized that the natal SN conj Sun is also mirrored in the draconic Sun antiscia NN the other way around, for one. Blind of me, but you know how these things go. Any idea on what kind of karmic (or otherwise) entanglements you'd have with the draconic chart being where the closer counterpart to a natal aspect is found? IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 680 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 09:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Peluches: Actually I was thinking those could point to a similar level of soul evolution, especially with the dSun/dSun conjunction. As the Draco chart is calculated by moving the NN to 0.00 Aries, and the whole chart with it accordingly, dSun conjunct dSun means that the difference in degrees between nNN and nSun is the same for both. Which made me think that you were maybe talking about your Twin (who is more likely to have the same level of soul evolution as you do, imo).
So what is the opinion if it's draconic Moons similarly conjuncting? You denote soul evolution to draconic Suns, what about the rest? IP: Logged |
Peluches Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Vαleŋtiŋe ~ Registered: Jul 2014
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posted January 17, 2015 01:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Keela: So what is the opinion if it's draconic Moons similarly conjuncting? You denote soul evolution to draconic Suns, what about the rest?
Well, I'm still new to this and I was just guessing from what I know about Aubyanne, to be honest. I think both dSun/dSun and dMoon/dMoon would show a similar level of soul evolution, but more in a 'twin' (or very close souls from the same soul family) way, as in similar soul identities, because the we're using the same luminary. Now, dSun conjunct dMoon for example would show common features between both energies, but without the 'twin' feeling, in my opinion. IP: Logged |
Peluches Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Vαleŋtiŋe ~ Registered: Jul 2014
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posted January 17, 2015 01:46 PM
Really interesting topic btw Keela Thanks !IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 680 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 05:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Peluches: Well, I'm still new to this and I was just guessing from what I know about Aubyanne, to be honest. I think both dSun/dSun and dMoon/dMoon would show a similar level of soul evolution, but more in a 'twin' (or very close souls from the same soul family) way, as in similar soul identities, because the we're using the same luminary.Now, dSun conjunct dMoon for example would show common features between both energies, but without the 'twin' feeling, in my opinion.
Guessing is all anybody here has done so far. Intuiting, throwing in ideas or suggestions, for something other people may pick up and do something with. If you don't have guesses or theories, you can't test them either. As for the example with the draconic Moons conjunct, I'm not discounting the soul group or soul family thing since obviously asked about it, but it's nothing to do with TF style twins at least. The synastry is squares and the circumstances aren't about a love relationship on some conventional or "this level" style. The composite is actually interesting (I guess) with a Grand Trine/Kite and T-square both, making some things from the synastry seem a lot more positive (and potentially obsessive to maddening with the Uranus-Pluto opposite Moon squaring Mars from what I recall. If some of the same things weren't involved in the trines and Kite as well it'd be worse though). It is more a case of: Feel the squares or "What the hell attraction? O.o?" first, and then more so (only?) if you look past that and deal with a "soul-level" feeling you get more of the warmth coming in. Or so it seems. I don't know if that's from the draconic Moons conjunct or something else from all the patterns I noticed through Bumblebee's reply. It's from the draconic level but I assume a drac Sun/Moon midpoint opposite another person's Moon makes for some sort of an echo somewhere even so. Especially when the luminaries had some contact both ways otherwise as well. There are also slight similarities in looks to the parents of the other person, though only at times. I'd imagine it's more a "Have known you many times and will again, but there's not enough on a natal level this time around for anything particular, despite fuzzy feelings or warmth somewhere". I suspect it's the Moons making up some of that, but I can't say when I don't know how much the draconic level is felt between people. I don't know if lunar contact suggests more of the family feel in general. A part inappropriate way is probably putting it as "A brother or sister, but a sibling you'd otherwise maybe even like to have sex with (since you're not actually related)". Pardon me if that's too much information. Here's hoping more people join the discussion, or that we get more comments from the current participants at least. IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 680 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted January 19, 2015 08:04 AM
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 2001 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted January 20, 2015 12:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Peluches: Oh, sorry. Actually I was thinking those could point to a similar level of soul evolution, especially with the dSun/dSun conjunction. As the Draco chart is calculated by moving the NN to 0.00 Aries, and the whole chart with it accordingly, dSun conjunct dSun means that the difference in degrees between nNN and nSun is the same for both. Which made me think that you were maybe talking about your Twin (who is more likely to have the same level of soul evolution as you do, imo).
No worries, Peluches. I was rather confused by that, too. Not to mention the fact that the Huber degrees for his NODAL axis is the exact same as my natal NODAL axis. Guardian Soulmates are clearly a whole new field of study I find unfolding. Slowly. I suspect it may be when your Twin is not reaching the same level of evolution that you have, and is incapable of having a true Twin Flame relationship. Our Guardian is responsible for guiding us towards our ultimate destiny and mentoring us on a soul level. They feel considerably older than we are -- and are quite possibly chronologically older as well. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 2001 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted January 20, 2015 12:09 PM
Also, what I found interesting is that my Twin's dSUN is Scorpio, with his dMOON in Libra. The funny thing is, they're nowhere near conjunct my nSUN or nMOON. It's just the resonance of his dSUN in the same sign as my nMOON; his dMOON in the same sign as my nSUN. The conjunction happens with my Guardian's nSUN and my dMOON. Which is curious. I've always found that quirky. Instead, it's my Twin's dMOON is conjunct his nJUNO-ALMA, and my nJUNO -- and my Guardian's nDESTINN. His dSUN is also 1º conjunct my Guardian's dASC, which I also find intriguing. Very interconnected. Very. IP: Logged | |