posted April 22, 2022 03:22 PM            

The chart isn't showing up. I lost my usual go-to info host info.
Dang.

posted April 22, 2022 07:06 PM            

I know another north node Pisces who also has trouble accepting responsibility for his own life - there is an anxious preoccupation with the details of living but a refusal to look at the big picture for fear they won’t find meaning there. Especially with the NN in the 1st, it’s even harder for them to take personal responsibility for their own lives and so with Virgo 7th house SN, they’re bringing into this life an attitude that “other people have all the power and I have none, I am helpless”. They can empower others but they can’t empower themselves, can’t see their own power or see themselves as an equal part of the whole. You can’t accept responsibility if you don’t believe you’re capable of it, ie if you believe you have no authority or power. So it is really an issue of self-empowerment.

Other things I notice: I wonder if sun/Chiron indicates a wound to the ego so deep that the person can’t permit any injury to the ego and so becomes self-righteous. I say this because of sun/Chiron stuff with a couple people in my life who also don’t take responsibility for their own actions and blame others instead. Neptune (the NN ruler) square Mercury (the SN ruler) says clouded judgment to me, plus Neptune being in the 8th of secrets/hidden things. The way they use power over others is a mystery to them, something they do unconsciously - this further backed by Mars in the 12th, unconscious of their actions. Saturn inconjunct Jupiter (other NN ruler) in the 1st - I’m not confident in my interpretation of the inconjunction but I wonder if this is tamping down any sense of their own Jupiterian power. On the flip side, Jupiter here could be interpreted as an outsized ego, further deepening the sun/Chiron issues.

posted April 23, 2022 09:20 AM            

Just read what Karen Black writes about Saturn in Libra:

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With karmic Saturn in Libra, you’re here to understand that romantic rejection from others is really a projection of the barriers around your own heart. And that your disappointment in others… is your clever, unconscious way of keeping yourself safe.

With this Saturn position, blaming others will backfire. With karmic Saturn in Libra, you must take responsibility for the state of your relationships, and turn pain, anger and resentment into compromise.

Saturn is ruled by pragmatic, uber-dependable Capricorn. In its highest sense, Capricorn is the “stable, dependable father”. But when stressed, Capricorn can also be rigid and emotionally cut off.

So Saturn always symbolizes the area of life in which you’ll feel some challenge and constriction. And where you’re being called to face reality.

In this life, you are not meant to “complete yourself” through a partner (romantic or otherwise). Your opportunity is to achieve inner balance and integration… first. And then create harmonious unions with others.

This is fantastic relationship potential! But at first, “doing” your karmic Saturn will not be easy peasy.

Especially when your Saturn is in refined, relational Libra who happily defers to others and prefers peace at any price. In fact, with Saturn in Libra, you may feel as if your experience of a mutually supportive, loving relationship – is painfully blocked.

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posted April 23, 2022 09:26 AM            

I would expect they have many many past lifetimes taking responsibility for everyone BUT themselves. They've always been the one to focus on others and make sacrifices for them, take care of everybody's needs, pull all the strings behind the scenes so everything works out in the end, or at least for them and the people they rely on to survive. They've been so ultra-focused on others that they've never looked in the mirror, and have actually used the focus on others to avoid the mirror altogether. It is really hard for them to face themselves in this lifetime.

posted April 24, 2022 01:58 AM            

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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
Hey MoonMystic. I noticed a few things but mainly I think it is a nodal issue plus moon square 12th house Mars.

I know another north node Pisces who also has trouble accepting responsibility for his own life - there is an anxious preoccupation with the details of living but a refusal to look at the big picture for fear they won’t find meaning there. Especially with the NN in the 1st, it’s even harder for them to take personal responsibility for their own lives and so with Virgo 7th house SN, they’re bringing into this life an attitude that “other people have all the power and I have none, I am helpless”. They can empower others but they can’t empower themselves, can’t see their own power or see themselves as an equal part of the whole. You can’t accept responsibility if you don’t believe you’re capable of it, ie if you believe you have no authority or power. So it is really an issue of self-empowerment.

Other things I notice: I wonder if sun/Chiron indicates a wound to the ego so deep that the person can’t permit any injury to the ego and so becomes self-righteous. I say this because of sun/Chiron stuff with a couple people in my life who also don’t take responsibility for their own actions and blame others instead. Neptune (the NN ruler) square Mercury (the SN ruler) says clouded judgment to me, plus Neptune being in the 8th of secrets/hidden things. The way they use power over others is a mystery to them, something they do unconsciously - this further backed by Mars in the 12th, unconscious of their actions. Saturn inconjunct Jupiter (other NN ruler) in the 1st - I’m not confident in my interpretation of the inconjunction but I wonder if this is tamping down any sense of their own Jupiterian power. On the flip side, Jupiter here could be interpreted as an outsized ego, further deepening the sun/Chiron issues.

Moon square Mars indicates further conflict between action and feelings, but again action is unconscious in the 12th, so it breeds a genuine lack of self-awareness. Like “how could I act that way when I don’t feel that way”.

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This was a family members chart.
- Definitely refusal to look at self, too much projection
- Yes to the self righteous Sun/Chiron fits
"The way they use power over others is a mystery to them, something they do unconsciously - this further backed by Mars in the 12th, unconscious of their actions.”
This fits perfectly. She has said her secrets will go to her grave too. She lord's her knowing of somethings over others.

posted April 24, 2022 02:00 AM            

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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
Oh thank you! Well pelase let me know if it is accurate to reality or just wishful thinking... I will check back on the whole sign chart over the weekend. Got to crash now!

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posted April 24, 2022 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
Hm yeah there is just a lack of big picture thinking, it's a struggle for them to trust in the universe or develop any kind of philosophical framework, let alone faith, through which to operate in life, and a total lack of confidence in their ability to function on their own. With SN in the 8th they're obsessed with emotionally controlling others and any resources they can access, down to the finest details. While their karma is around attempting to control others and play power games, they simultaneously have this block (Saturn) where they absolutely struggle to take responsibility for their relationships and everything is a blame game. Yes, I'd really put my finger on Saturn here combined with the SN.

Just read what Karen Black writes about Saturn in Libra:

This is all emphasized even more with the SN in the 8th. You have these themes of security and relationship (2/8 axis and Aries/Libra axis) with the negative karma being concentrated in the Other-oriented places of Libra and the 8th, combined with themes of philosophy and spirituality (3/9 axis and Virgo/Pisces axis) with the lessons (Saturn and NN) being in these areas (9th house and Pisces, respectively). An inability to trust the Self results in a lack of trust in others. A lack of faith in the universe or a high power results in blaming everyone around them instead of seeing others as mirrors for their own failure to take responsibility.

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Yes! She's absolutely faithless.

HD to quote the full thing! ”in the 8th they're obsessed with emotionally controlling others and any resources they can access, down to the finest details. While their karma is around attempting to control others and play power games, they simultaneously have this block (Saturn) where they absolutely struggle to take responsibility for their relationships and everything is a blame game. Yes, I'd really put my finger on Saturn here combined with the SN."