posted May 25, 2015 11:27 PM            

However I completely believe in SM, even with friends, family, teachers, do workers, lovers etc.
a SM is soul one you have a soul contract with to serve
A specific purpose. Majority of time, once that purpose has been fulfilled, the relationship ends, however there are life time SM also.

Karmic relationships,
There is a karmic debit to be settled, one way or another, but I'm guessing more karmic debit is created in the process of clearing the debit.

First I'll start of by saying, I believe all of my relationships have falling in the SM/karmic area.

I don't really have superficial relationships, however in have had short term relationships.
I honestly don't think I connect with "non SM"
I connect to very few people, I don't really trust anyone.
Honestly I don't let just anyone really get to know me..

I'll go over a few relationships of mine.
My BF when I was 16, he was honestly a horrible man.
But I was young and stupid.
I had a baby at 19 from him.
He was physically abusive. Beat me until I was purple.
I left in the middle of the night, with my daughter. Never to look back.
Relationship Purpose: conceive a child, who's 23 now
Also, it was a lesson to never rely on any man, to always support myself. When I left him. I was homeless with a baby.
I never again, did not support myself.
SM contract probably some karma also.

A few months later, I met a man Joe, drop dead handsome. I was living in a hotel with my daughter.
I at the time hated men, I didn't want anything at all to do with men. But he quickly came into my life at just the right moment. I was in my worst spot.
He would take me out, open doors, he showed me, how a woman should be treated. It was intense and amazing, but it was very short lived, maybe a month or so.
After we ended, I got my butt in gear, moved out of the motel, got a job, and wasn't in hate land towards men.

purpose: Debit..
He came into my life at my lowest point, picked up my spirit, and showed me not to hate men.
As soon as it ended, I had more confidence in myself, a looked forward getting my life back together.

Eddie
We met a few years after joe, I was working had my own apt, and finally on my feet.
We met, and we never left each other for 2years. He moved in with me, after about a month.
Honestly, I didn't love him, I was more lonely, but felt it was a good thing to be with him, to just have someone.
After 2years, I couldn't lie to myself anymore. I just didn't love him. I ended the relationship.
Purpose: humm not sure on this one, maybe to teach me, that if love wasn't there, the relationship just won't work.

Gerry
I met him right on my Solar return hour. I fell hard, and fast for this one. He was the one!! Soooo I thought.
We had so much fun and excitement.
After a few months of dating him.
One of his friends became obsessed with me. His friend called my house 30x a day. Was on my door step when I got home from work. His friend became really creepy. I would tell Gerry. About this, but he didn't really believe me.
One day I came home, his friend was on my porch. He went to make his move on me, but I rejected him.
So then he yelled out Gerry's secret! Saying be with me, cuz Gerry is married!
Disgusted. I kicked him out, ended it with Gerry.
Purpose karma, karma karma!

Steve:
When we met, I did not like him at all! Over the course of a year or so he chased me, I threw things at his head, so he would leave me alone. Lol
Lil by lil he grew on me, we went out once, and then again, again. Until a few months later we were living together, then married, then had a child. We stayed together until he was deported from the US. I stayed. I probably would have been with him until I died, if he wasn't deported. We never once spoke of divorce. Although I was committed o the marriage, again I never gave myself. He never really knew the inner me

Purpose: marriage contract, to have a child, then to just "be gone"

Fishy..
I can't put this one into words.
An automatic trust, for the first time ever I let someone see the real me. He knows how strong, but sensitive I am, but he's the first person, I've ever been vulnerable with. He knows me, better than anyone else in the world. If anyone can break me, it would be him. That scares the crap out of me. I never let anyone be able to break me, I'm to strong for that. His power over me, confuses me. I hate it, but it love it at the same time. I fight his power, but he always wins. I'm scared to death of this man, how badly he would be able to break me.

Purpose: still to be determined, it's a life lesson of love and true romance. Giving your soul and heart to another person, and trusting that person won't just step on it and break it. Having some faith in another living person.
None of which is easy for me. Over the past 6 Years I have broken up with him, well before he breaks up with me, and leaves me.
He kinda "slapped" some sense into me (not physically)
The last time, I refused to speak to him. He let me have it, going off on me. Telling me, THIS is the problem, you always do this to me! You want to be with me, but you LEAVE, you don't act like you want to be with me.
Ever since then, everything between us has been wonderful. At least every 2 weeks, I start thinking about breaking up, but then he goes and does something so sweet, I don't leave.
Idk if I will ever get rid of those RUN thoughts. This is a lesson I have to learn, not to just leave when the going gets tough. To stop and try to work it out. Which is what I have been doing. At least trying. I really do want to work this out, but the emotions becomes unbearable at times for me. I have been learning how to handle emotions better, dealing instead of running.

There's my most important relationships, and what I believe the purpose was.

posted May 29, 2015 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Karmic relationships,
There is a karmic debit to be settled, one way or another, but I'm guessing more karmic debit is created in the process of clearing the debit.

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Anyway, if you've done wrong, how are you expected to correct it if you don't remember what you've done? Unless you can travel in time and see your past lives, majority of us don't remember. Try remembering what you ate two weeks ago!! Don't get hanged up on the false idea about karma.

posted May 30, 2015 01:17 PM            

I didn't believe it either, really, until I met and later began a relationship with mine. Since I was last on the boards, we stumbled into an interesting conversation. As of late last month, my husband is in a relationship with a karmic partner and Soulmate. Good lord, the way we all interplay off of each other ... down to her ASC being 0º30 conjunct my boyfriend / twin's SUN -- and her SUN being exactly conjunct my sidereal SUN!

Anyhow, they're both so passionate and sexually oriented. So, even though it's just been a month, they're already more lusty, and sexy, and texting each other almost constantly -- with sexy things.

I'm always feeling a little behind the curve when it comes to these things, being asexual. My boyfriend (also asexual schizoid) tried to reassure me that making such comparisons really serves no purpose. Well, I know that, but I AM trying to improve. Learn to be sexual.

That's when he said, matter-of-factly, 'well, I'm in love with you,' to which I reacted with surprise. He reacted with equal surprise at my surprise! He then said that he tells me he loves me often; how could I not know? (Then I got him to accept that it was more occasional than often, to be honest; heh! But the point remains the same.) I reminded him that loving someone is quite different from being in love with them. He assured me that he knows that, and he is, in fact, in love with me.

So that was quite incredible. I reflect upon it occasionally, and it always calms and makes me smile, no matter what else is going on. Like a soothing mental and emotional balm. It's lovely.

It seems that with us, we've had to merely make the decision to be together, and to love each other, and the Universe has cleared a path -- should we be brave enough to take it.

I still feel powerful pangs in regards to my twin ray at times; why wouldn't I? He's the equivalent of my twin brother. But the feeling of meeting your own energy outside of yourself is ... it's so overwhelming, it can't even be fully articulated. I've become aware of soul fragments, or various eigenstates in which my soul (or his) have had existence throughout history. It's always a powerful experience.

When we met, however, the first thought that went through my head was, ' ... he's real?' because I absolutely could not believe it. My next thought was praying that I was wrong. But I knew that, simultaneously, if he didn't come to love me to the depths of his being, then a fundamental piece of my soul's understanding was missing. But I was equally terrified, and for the sake of my own free will, of feeling that I had any control at all ... that he wouldn't.

He does. He did at that moment; unheard of for a pragmatist in his mid-forties who still can't describe it as anything differently than 'on sight'. (And I'd dressed as unobtrusively as possible that day!)

These days, I 'believe it', because nothing else makes sense. Nothing explains why a nineteen year old girl can compose a story featuring statistically improbable man, spending the next 15 years of her life writing his, from his early youth to their adventures together in her thirties and his forties -- and meet that man a decade later. Who is, of course, an actor, and able to bring to life her character in a way she'd never thought possible.

It's just all ... too ... it reaches the point where there is no other explanation, than the 'cliched' one. But then twins are here for a profound experience in love; to beat the odds, to overcome all obstacles, love each other unconditionally, with patience, tolerance, and genuine understanding.

What better way to share with the world, the incredible experience of a multidimensional relationship, clearing an endless cycle of violence, than with a legitimate story? A series of novels and a television show, to be exact.

It seems that's how we're to do it. No wonder we met here in Los Angeles, rather than in Dallas, our hometown.

It took awhile for me to fully grok this concept, but now ... even as it still feels unwieldy, it feels right. It's even bizarrely logical. Everything else seems like the strangely justifiable explanation!

posted May 30, 2015 02:28 PM            

For us, the cycle of violence was still continuing. Elsewhere, we were caught in a loop of fear, misunderstanding, betrayal, and ultimate tragedy. No good.

Through dream, meditation, trance state, astral experience, and, of course, astrology, I was able to understand that the solution lie here in the present, in allowing us to overcome this negativity and 'karmic loop' with love, forgiveness, and understanding.

posted May 31, 2015 08:47 AM            

Thought I'd go ahead and share my relationship stories as well since they've been a huge part of my own growth and maturation.

First ever gf was K, she was 18 and I was 22. We were around each other for about 2 years, but I was most likely the one smitten and 'in love' per se, not knowing what love was. It was my first experience of symbiotic love, with so much projection and connectedness. When it ended from her side, it came crashing down, my rose-colored view of romanticism and my belief that I could truly be in a relationship. But out of the fog and dissolution came the understanding that I wasn't being who I was in the relationship, I kept wanting to 'please' her and make her happy which was just a by-product of my past dynamic with my own mother. The ending of the relationship became a catalyst to 'find' myself, which took the next 5-6 years and eventually learn to sever the unhealthy son-mother bond that developed due to being emotionally sensitive.

Next three potential gfs were around during the 5-6 years when I was discovering all the beauty of my own potentiality. That I was not just an extension of the people around me but that I had to find my own center to live through and that not only could I live in it, but I had full control of who else I let share that center with. The potentials never happened, though we entered in and out of each others lives, testing the waters per se. Through the interactions and finally seeing the light, I've learned to trust my own intuition and essentially 'know' that there will only be a select few people that I could ever 'marry' and be able to be around daily.

Presently, I've been involved with a girl for 3 years though we've only met once in those three years. For anyone stalking my posts :/ they know that I can communicate psychically and telepathically with this girl. My Pluto trines her Moon, and as most people know with this aspect, the feelings go deep. She must have broken up with me at least 12 times over the 3 years and I just keep waiting for the final one, but she keeps coming back. Reading the way Lioness describes it, it really feels like everything that she could be fighting with as well. She used to go from vulnerability to full defense mode in 24 hours, giving me mental whiplash, but I've stood my ground and she's learning not to do that. Over the last year, she's slowly opening up and be willing to share some of her fears and insecurities, but I try to show her that while I appreciate her honesty and vulnerability, that it's also not my 'job' to assuage her fears. She will need to confront them herself.

Through the whole interaction, I've learned what it truly means to be in control of your emotions and thoughts. I've learned how to be an empath healer and not let the other person's states overwhelm you from interacting with her more than I could ever have learned through books or workshops. I've also learned to stand fast on my own principles and values.

posted May 31, 2015 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Aurora_girl1990:
Aubyanne,if i may ask,without derailing the thread,what's the difference between a twin ray ,twin flame and an Oversoul in your own understanding of it as there's many different theories on what those terms means.

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Indeed, Aurora. One just has to sort of 'feel around' for themselves and get a lay of the land personally. Here, in my observed reality, this timeline or 'lifeline', so to speak, I've slowly come to decide a few essential truths for my own benefit.

Most of my concept of Oversoul comes from Seth, honestly, which I read feverishly as a child. It's a bit more complicated overall, so let me instead explain how I came upon the understanding of twin ray versus twin flame. It hit me after a deep meditation when I came upon a Michael teaching that elucidated the concept that had been burning within my soul for days.

I was rather frustrated, trying to understand what on earth the truth was in regards to my relationship with my Guardian soul -- a kind of placeholder I'd invented (with later independent confirmation) to explain the intense feelings I have about a particular individual; I knew he couldn't be my twin flame, as that had been (I thought) identified. But he was 'more than a soulmate' -- as awfully uppity as that sounds (and, in truth, is).

It began with a series of meditations in which I would reach the proper state and then ask, 'who is he?' when speaking of my twin ray, and I'd receive the same answer. 'He's your brother.' And the feeling that washed over me; the sudden understanding. Yes! He's my brother! Of course, he is! Everything I've ever felt about him on an emotional level is what we would term similar to a sibling relationship. Oh, decidedly so, the intense sexual attraction has been confusing, but our twin rays are not our actual identical twin siblings, obviously. Similar but different rules apply.

To date, I have a few twin rays, and I feel they've all been properly identified by astrology. I'm happy to share those techniques with you.

So why this one being as intense as he is? Why, to the point that he was able to masquerade as my twin flame? I think that's individual. Part of the overall plan.

My TR and my TF have a complicated history; it took me a very long time (and, again, thanks to astrology) to understand their role with each other, but it finally clicked. In short, there are role similarities in relationship to me. I remember when my mother said that the key was 'that I was in the centre of it'; in a way, orchestrating, or acting as the point around everything else revolved. It took me awhile to understand that (from 2012) which I now do.

Suffice it to say, the twin ray is the closest to our own vibrational pattern outside of our twin flame, which is said to be identical. This I understand completely. It's difficult to fully grok unless you've experienced it for yourself; then, it's ... ingrained. Unforgettable. Rather than a key and lock it's a merging. Quantum nonlocality. Occupying the same space whilst being separate. The separation is illusive.

I've tried to explain this concept as I understand it (big, big disclaimer there) as when we're children playing with action figures. If we play with our sibling, we have no control over what they make their figures do -- or how they contribute to our collaborative story. But we control how our figures behave together. Oh, sure, we could have them war, be friends, fall in love, and all of the above. But we're in control; we ultimately know what's going to happen -- or are at least accountable for it.

Someone once said that twin flames who are preparing to reunite will never be directly cruel to each other. They'll even go to lengths to be loving, considerate, kind, and respectful. Essentially, to make even the worst experiences as loving and understanding as possible.

I believe I've experienced this first hand. Never before had I known of, or certainly experienced, two people nursing one another through their own breakup. Yet that's precisely what we did. I feel it led in large part for our being able to have the relationship we do now.

So this is my present, infantile, understanding of twin rays and twin flames. Our twin flame is essentially our own energy, embodied in a separate soul. It's FAR more complicated than that, but if you watch couplings of suspected twin flames throughout history, you'll notice that one is able to almost 'embody' the other and vice versa. This is never so prevalent as when checking the astrology; there will be plenty of shared signs across different natals in various lifelines. It's fascinating.

It's not without clear direction or purpose, either. I'm just not of the opinion that twin flames will reunite here for the sole purpose of having families. Some will, but that seems a far too human explanation. Propagation of the species and experience of real love is undoubtedly important, but in the grand scheme? It goes far, far beyond that.

Twin flames are likely tasked with the undertaking of grand ideas and concepts, for which love will be the foundation. To me, this seems logical. Much as my stepdaughter plays the Sims, she has several individuals operating separately in a single family, achieving certain goals, but she is ultimately the driver. She's the one in charge.

The game's own computer will obviously toss in all sorts of random events and things which she can't control. She's even had her Sim fall in love with a Sim she didn't design, which was operated by the computer. But if she has a specific plan, she always, always, always chooses two Sims entirely within her control, of her design, that will be conducive to her bigger plan.

Okay, I'm anthropomorphising again. But I do think that it's more logical that an energy would operate according to universal concepts of control versus surrender more than family dynamics set forth by western culture in the last 300 years.

So why not, much like my stepdaughter, wouldn't the universe abide by twin flames incarnating in order to ensure that a particular task be handled? While not 'two halves of the same soul', they are said to share a higher self. It seems a strange, yet agreed upon principle, that these multidimensional entities are not inherently self-destructive -- they don't seek to do damage to themselves. This would follow then, logically, that twin flames do not seek to do damage to each other. It would seem they're more inclined to satisfy the objective they've committed to -- which is unique to them, their lessons, and greater purpose.

posted June 01, 2015 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Suffice it to say, the twin ray is the closest to our own vibrational pattern outside of our twin flame, which is said to be identical. This I understand completely. It's difficult to fully grok unless you've experienced it for yourself; then, it's ... ingrained. Unforgettable. Rather than a key and lock it's a merging. Quantum nonlocality. Occupying the same space whilst being separate. The separation is illusive.

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May i ask ,in the above quote,are you talking about the twin ray or the twin flame?

I would think you are talking about the twin flame but i could be wrong that's why i asked.

And thank you Aubyanne for taking the time to explain it to me.It makes some sense to me as well based on what i've felt/read etc.

Speaking of what i've felt,do you remember a chart of mine you took a look at a couple of weeks ago-The guy who's a sagatarius and i met online.

Well,i've had strange experiences with him and that's why i was pressing so hard for an answer because honestly i wanted,no needed one to get over him.I felt that if i knew who he was to me,i would be able to move on from him.

Well some of the things i've felt for him include what i describe as unconditional love,Unconditional forgiveness and unconditional acceptance aside from loving his essence as i like to call his soul-the core of him,the real him away from all this 3d world.

When i love him that way,when i feel the love for him that way,it's beautiful and it makes me wanna cry.

Also ,when i allow myself to feel love for him,i feel that's there's no him or me, just one.That's this separation is the real illusion,this physicality is the illusion and the truth is we're one.

You can see now why i need to know who he is to me?Because i'm afraid if i don't know i won't ever get over him.

Plus once about 2 months after i met him,i saw this golden figure,a figure made out of light which was golden in my room.It/he touch my face in a loving manner.That's all i remember and i felt it was him,the sagatarius guy.

posted June 01, 2015 12:41 AM            

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To date, I have a few twin rays, and I feel they've all been properly identified by astrology. I'm happy to share those techniques with you.

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posted June 01, 2015 08:00 AM            

Then there was someone from my university - we studied together. I couldn't shake him, so familiar he felt. With my Moon on his SN exact. It was not physical attraction, nor a mental one. Pure emotions on both sides, we were not together, just cared about each other very much. Like a brother and sister, yeah, that's what it felt like. I learned that i could care about someone other than myself and my family that much. He was also the reason i met Mr.Uranus - not directly, but thanks to a synchronicity.

Mr.Uranus - my epic love. Meeting him turned my world upside down. A few days after our first meeting, my dreams were flooded by past life memories where he and i were married. I remember that life in details which i have proven to be factual. Never ever have i felt this way before - a combination of everything, love, desire. But we are just friends, even though he admitted having feelings for me. I know that i will never be free of him. It's like - i can try, but it doesn't go that way. Our minds are wired to the same frequency. We can not talk for weeks and then call each other the same moment just because. He changed me in more ways than one, and he changed himself in the process as well. He believed in me and i became a better person, i opened up to the world. If you compared me to the person i was prior this meeting and the person i am now - they would be two completely different women. His role in my life has yet to be defined, but he definitely is my soulmate. I knew it in my heart the moment i met him. His ASC exactly conjuncts my south node, my MC conjuncts tightly his nodes, my BML exactly on his SN, our composite has Moon exactly on IC, conjunct Pluto...

Nobody else to mention yet. I've dated many, but no-one else can live up to him, so i run.