posted July 03, 2015 02:18 PM            

I think this is reaching way too far out there, to be honest. The more I'm developing this method, I'm finding that heliocentric astrology is of a level we neither can process as human beings, nor hope to access outside of deep meditative work. Adept astral travellers and extremely enlightened individuals might be learning to harness the energy of their helio natal. That's a huge 'might'.

Think of the Draconic as a path of stones across a rushing river -- with the heliocentric being the summit of the mountain that stretches before us on the opposite bank. Not only must we first cross the river, then we have to climb the mountain. It's a lot of work!

Now, I'm not saying we should ignore heliocentric astrology. But it's best we don't count 'aspects' being made between them -- as I just don't feel that's happening. Astrology isn't rooted in actual -- but perceptual -- reality. We perceive ourselves to be 'at the centre of the universe' given that the Earth is our present home base -- regardless of what came before or follows after.

We should not hope to activate the heliocentric natal until we have truly accepted and come to appreciate ourselves as beings of spirit existing along a multidimensional temporal spectrum. How that's best achieved depends upon your individual experience and tends to be highly individualised.

As astrologers, I've found the first three systems -- tropical, sidereal and Draconic -- are surprisingly all we need to fully comprehend our embodied human existence, whilst the sidereal provides insight into where (or even what) we've been, and where our soul is planning to go, according to features of the Draconic.

The heliocentric is almost superfluous to me at this time; a bit like a guide to human flight -- highlighting the best locations to visit -- though I've yet to develop wings, and have no clue how to even go about trying to do so.

posted July 03, 2015 02:30 PM            

His Natal:

Sun 25 Sagittarius
Mercury 23 Sagittarius
Saturn 26 Sagittarius
Uranus 24 Sagittarius

My Helio:

Venus 24 Sagittarius

In no way did I know about my higher self before I met him, but after I evolved tremendously and that's why I think relationships that have this connection between tropical and helio are very important in terms of destined associations.

The most compelling thing is that his Sag stellium falls into his 12th house and into my 3rd house. And my natal planets do not activate any important planets in his Helio chart, and he did not experience the same awakening process as me. I think because his stellium falls in his 12th house, he was mostly unaware that I was transforming in this way, and is pretty unclear to him. But I know his higher self knows what happened to me, and that he made an agreement to be with me to gift me what I achieved.

But on a side note, I do have strong Natal to Helio myself. My Helio Mars is conjunct my Natal Moon/Neptune/IC. My Helio Earth is exactly conjunct my Natal Venus which is my tropical chart ruler.

All I can say for certain is that Helio is valid when you have awakened to your ability to become a Christ being on earth. The Helio chart is the chart of your perfected self which is your Christ self. When someone has conjunctions between the Helio chart and the Natal chart, that persons chances of awakening to their Christ light increases. I have studied many people who have awakened to their Christ self and I have found this tropical to Helio is correct.

posted July 03, 2015 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
i know hello is about our higher selves but how can the hello mars person benefit the tropical venus person per say?

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posted July 03, 2015 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by angel4845:
[b]i know hello is about our higher selves but how can the hello mars person benefit the tropical venus person per say?

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I have studied Helio and I am very in tune with its meaning in synastry and natal.. so I wouldn't go so far as to act like I don't know what it means.

posted July 03, 2015 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Hey, Angelica.

I think this is reaching way too far out there, to be honest. The more I'm developing this method, I'm finding that heliocentric astrology is of a level we neither can process as human beings, nor hope to access outside of deep meditative work. Adept astral travellers and extremely enlightened individuals might be learning to harness the energy of their helio natal. That's a huge 'might'.

Think of the Draconic as a path of stones across a rushing river -- with the heliocentric being the summit of the mountain that stretches before us on the opposite bank. Not only must we first cross the river, then we have to climb the mountain. It's a lot of work!

Now, I'm not saying we should ignore heliocentric astrology. But it's best we don't count 'aspects' being made between them -- as I just don't feel that's happening. Astrology isn't rooted in actual -- but perceptual -- reality. We perceive ourselves to be 'at the centre of the universe' given that the Earth is our present home base -- regardless of what came before or follows after.

We should not hope to activate the heliocentric natal until we have truly accepted and come to appreciate ourselves as beings of spirit existing along a multidimensional temporal spectrum. How that's best achieved depends upon your individual experience and tends to be highly individualised.

As astrologers, I've found the first three systems -- tropical, sidereal and Draconic -- are surprisingly all we need to fully comprehend our embodied human existence, whilst the sidereal provides insight into where (or even what) we've been, and where our soul is planning to go, according to features of the Draconic.

The heliocentric is almost superfluous to me at this time; a bit like a guide to human flight -- highlighting the best locations to visit -- though I've yet to develop wings, and have no clue how to even go about trying to do so.

These are just my thoughts, mind; culled from years of study, but my personal opinion nonetheless.

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thanks aubyanne! i respect your opinion and definitely will consider it! =)

posted July 03, 2015 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I have studied Helio and I am very in tune with its meaning in synastry and natal.. so I wouldn't go so far as to act like I don't know what it means.

Only Angel can say for sure what it means for her.

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thanks athenegoddess! just needed some opinions cause I'm still learning on hello charts =)

posted July 03, 2015 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I think the Helio get's activated when we are ready. For example my boyfriend was responsible for my spiritual awakening.

His Natal:

Sun 25 Sagittarius
Mercury 23 Sagittarius
Saturn 26 Sagittarius
Uranus 24 Sagittarius

My Helio:

Venus 24 Sagittarius

In no way did I know about my higher self before I met him, but after I evolved tremendously and that's why I think relationships that have this connection between tropical and helio are very important in terms of destined associations.

The most compelling thing is that his Sag stellium falls into his 12th house and into my 3rd house. And my natal planets do not activate any important planets in his Helio chart, and he did not experience the same awakening process as me. I think because his stellium falls in his 12th house, he was mostly unaware that I was transforming in this way, and is pretty unclear to him. But I know his higher self knows what happened to me, and that he made an agreement to be with me to gift me what I achieved.

But on a side note, I do have strong Natal to Helio myself. My Helio Mars is conjunct my Natal Moon/Neptune/IC. My Helio Earth is exactly conjunct my Natal Venus which is my tropical chart ruler.

All I can say for certain is that Helio is valid when you have awakened to your ability to become a Christ being on earth. The Helio chart is the chart of your perfected self which is your Christ self. When someone has conjunctions between the Helio chart and the Natal chart, that persons chances of awakening to their Christ light increases. I have studied many people who have awakened to their Christ self and I have found this tropical to Helio is correct.

The Helio chart may be something illusive for you if you cannot evolve your consciousness away from the third dimension.

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ahhhh i see, that's very interesting how the connection was very evolving for you spiritually and i definitely can see where your going with this and i too have a similar approach to it as well as the hello represents us at our best without baggage, karma etc. so i can see how they elevated for you thanks athene!

posted July 03, 2015 05:06 PM            

that i do see as true, i can definitely relate

posted July 03, 2015 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I think the Helio get's activated when we are ready. For example my boyfriend was responsible for my spiritual awakening.

In no way did I know about my higher self before I met him, but after I evolved tremendously and that's why I think relationships that have this connection between tropical and helio are very important in terms of destined associations.

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posted July 03, 2015 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
"We should not hope to activate the heliocentric natal until we have truly accepted and come to appreciate ourselves as beings of spirit existing along a multidimensional temporal spectrum. How that's best achieved depends upon your individual experience and tends to be highly individualised."

that i do see as true, i can definitely relate

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posted July 04, 2015 12:17 AM            

I don't get the christ concoiusness thing either, as not everyone is a christian, and not everyone ebraces those principles, yet everyone has a helio chart.

Could the helio be more to do with a higher purpose fo the life, or even show the purpose, or evolutionary intention behind a series of lifetimes?

posted July 04, 2015 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
What's hilarious, Angelica, is that while I do know that I wrote that, and I do agree with it, it clearly 'came from somewhere else' -- if you follow. That happens. I've been channelling a lot lately. Bits and pieces. It's never consistent, but lately it's been very ... spontaneous. I'm not entirely sure why just yet. Something has definitely been kicking things into overdrive.

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posted July 05, 2015 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Huh. That's interesting to me, because I've been aware of my higher self since I was a very small child. I still wouldn't say I'm actively channelling my heliocentric chart, however. Not yet.

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