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Topic: Astrology of a Breakup
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yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:18 PM
Have you noticed significant patterns or aspects at the end of your relationships? Have you found transits to the composite chart telling?Currently tr. JUNO is 0°00 square composite JUNO tr. Mars is 0°00 square composite Saturn tr. Sun square comp Neptune (exact also) tr. NN quincunx composite NN 0°27 tr Saturn conjunct composite Saturn.... just got off the phone, asked him not to come back, we can't live together... I need to be focusing on my daughter... He knows the reasons so I didn't want to get into a long conversation. It went fairly smoothly considering the intense turmoil of recent weeks. He'll be wanting his things.. And I did leave room for some future possibility of some kind of relationship or working together which doesn't involve me supporting him in every way and complete co-dependence... so we'll see if it's a radical readjustment or a total break.... Probably wise to make a total break but the thought that it might be workable is more gentle for our hearts and allows a more organic, compassionate change I am hoping. I'm confused given the karmic implications of our relationship, hoping I have done what needed doing and am not backing out early. I simply can't continue as things were, and I know he was hoping we could weather the storms which were considerably affected by the stress of circumstances.. But yeah. I think the Juno square Juno thing is pretty telling--it's time to demolish that particular structure for it was not healthy marital relating going on... IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia Knowflake Posts: 1297 From: Pandora's box Registered: Mar 2015
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posted September 25, 2015 03:24 PM
Ouch. I remember how enthusiastic you were. I'm sorry it bombed. What are your synastry and composite Neptune aspects if I may ask? I'm also curious about your natal Neptune/Pisces action.------------------ Anomaling around since 1911. IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 2327 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted September 25, 2015 03:28 PM
when im done im done, i dont want to think about that person...sorry mate, once venus reaches virgo in Oct and conjunct mars, love will be fine again IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:30 PM
Yeah... The relationship progressed very quickly as i had warned myself not to do again and i repeated past pattern to a tee. My natal moon-Neptune conjunction at play, and 12H Venus in Libra.Despite all the goings on about Neptune in that thread i never considered it a very significant player in our synastry or composite... twas my totally clouded opinion... And boy have i learned Neptune lessons! Write in depth. I need to get my head in order and write some of my thoughts about it down.... Anyway, to answer your question, in part at least: We do have a 12h stellium in composite including our Sun Moon and Mercury (Libra). My Venus is conjunct these, and he has Saturn and Pluto in the 12th, also overlaying my 12h and the composite 12h... One second I'll pull it up and look again at Neptune... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:32 PM
Oh and natally I have Pisces North Node in the 4th house. He activates it with a Moon trine and precious little else, his Sun directly on my Virgo South Node...IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5157 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:34 PM
:: big, ginormous hugs ::Exact CHIRON aspects put us under a spell of some kind. It's as if we become robotic in regards to whatever area they involve. The karma must be resolved -- it must get cleared, and we end up almost automated in order to do so. I agree that certain karmic transits will come along to test everything, or, potentially, blow it apart -- if it's time. My ex-bestie won't unfriend me, but she's all but a frenemy now. It's such a surreal state of being. I guess we clearly did what we had to do. Do you feel stronger in the aftermath? Probably not yet. But, perhaps, you will? And it'll become clear that you did what you two needed to do? What had to be done? I'm so sorry, Yun. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:41 PM
Well... His Neptune conjunct my Saturn/Uranus conjunction could go a long ways towards explaining some of the karma of our relationship. I tend to glaze over when I'm looking at outer planet synastric conjunctions, to my detriment obviously. He really threw me off course in a lot of ways; just being around him caused my organizational drive and dynamic creativity to get all foggy... It still worked and sometimes was great, la dee da.. I'm still confused and vascillating somehow, but it just takes him saying one thing on the phone for me to be absolutely certain this is a big relief! I blame the Saturn Mercury square.... aaall the hard Mercury stuff.. Mercury-Mars double whammies, and obviously Mars square Pluto. My Pluto is square my MC (our MC)-- and his Mars is there. There was potential for doing great things together perhaps. The Saturn return for the relationship also coincides with Saturn on our 2nd house cusp and honestly the realness and intensity of money issues really cut the air off in the relationship. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5157 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:43 PM
My husband and I have SATURN-NEPTUNE, but only one close (0º30) CHIRON aspect. My SUN opposite his CHIRON.It's those exact conjunctions, man. While nothing is impossible, I'm amazed at how often those collapse. IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia Knowflake Posts: 1297 From: Pandora's box Registered: Mar 2015
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posted September 25, 2015 03:45 PM
Thanks for sharing. Neptune can mess with one's head so easily. At this point I believe it's better to be paranoid or/and pessimistic about fresh love objects.------------------ Anomaling around since 1911. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 3031 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:46 PM
I'm sorry. Break-ups are hard. I'm Moon conj Neptune too. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5157 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia: Thanks for sharing. Neptune can mess with one's head so easily. At this point I believe it's better to be paranoid or/and pessimistic about fresh love objects.
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yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:48 PM
Thanks Auby... ♡♡I don't know if Chiron is to blame in this one exactly. We do have some Chiron conjunctions (my Jupiter/Vertex on his Chiron and his Moon conjunct mine)-- but we have very few hard aspects to Chiron (unless you count the Venus-Chiron square in composite... which is probably significant!). I've come to think that Magi are on to something with the Chiron thing, although they leave the Moon out of it and I think they have good reason. I think Chiron is really a planet of true love because if we can touch one another's woundedness and reveal our own and our love deepens it's very profound and beautiful... I'm not saying it right right now... But I do think it can be very positive. I have the Moon-Chiron opposition natally so our Moon-Moon opposition is just another fractal reflection of that action for me. I don't fully understand it but that's one way of looking at it. Cancer baffles Capricorn moon me in a lot of ways. I get it... But I don't get it... But I must deeply, in fact, get it, given my Chiron there... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia: Thanks for sharing. Neptune can mess with one's head so easily. At this point I believe it's better to be paranoid or/and the pessimistic about fresh love objects.
Yeah, I agree to an extent. I gotta forgive myself though. It seemed like a really good idea at the time and I think we get tricked for a reason. Otherwise we would never walk into these painful situations intricately designed to challenge us and address our karma. Neptune is compassionate but it is sneaky and devious and works in tandem with Saturn to produce needed results... IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia Knowflake Posts: 1297 From: Pandora's box Registered: Mar 2015
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posted September 25, 2015 03:52 PM
Wait, you have a Capricorn Moon and he's a Cancer mooner? ------------------ Anomaling around since 1911. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:54 PM
YepperzIP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:55 PM
Lol... should I call him back? IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5157 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 03:58 PM
I really, really, really think it's that exact CHIRON conjunct MOON. It's just ... magical. And then it just explodes, and then it's just ... heartbreaking.I STILL cry sometimes, and it's almost been a year. A YEAR. Any time I find myself in a home decorating-type store, I get a little tearful, thinking of the ways we were going to decorate the apartment we were planning to rent together. Ugh. It just breaks my heart. I'm not going to run next time I see it, but I think I'll NOT let myself get SO caught up in it. I won't think, 'where have you been all of my life?' and allow myself to glom onto them -- as it's something I NEVER do anyway. But she was different somehow. We were soul sisters. We were hardcore twin souls. We'd been bouncing into each other in other dimensions for ages. And the thought of getting to be real bosom buds here ... it just ... it was too good to be true. I dunno. I just know it still hurts. Like hell. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 04:01 PM
Was it your moon or hers?? I don't feel as emotional about the breaking up part so far as I did about the getting together part, myself. I hope it isn't terrible for him. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 04:05 PM
I totally understand that, having had that experience, Auby, you explored its probable astrological cause and want to both protect yourself from that kind of pain and disillusionment and advise others so that they too might avoid it. It's a definite kindness on your part. I wonder what other aspects were at play?I sometimes feel that friend break-ups are more charged and painful than romantic ones... I really feel for you, I know how hard that kind of break is... I'm sorry it's still so painful. I believe healing may still be possible there ♡ IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia Knowflake Posts: 1297 From: Pandora's box Registered: Mar 2015
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posted September 25, 2015 04:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by yungang_grotto: Yepperz
To be honest, this combo is a potential disaster waiting to happen imo, especially if the female has the Cap Moon. You said Cancer baffles you. With me it could be speaking different languages, I'm a Cap btw. I don't know if I could handle more than 1 Cancer placement in my bf and the Moon could be the worst. I have a Cancer SN but I have little appreciation for Cancerian traits. ------------------ Anomaling around since 1911. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5157 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 04:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by yungang_grotto: Was it your moon or hers?? I don't feel as emotional about the breaking up part so far as I did about the getting together part, myself. I hope it isn't terrible for him.
She's the MOON; 0º30. Just ... completely flipped out on me. It was so uncalled for, that I was privately resentful for weeks. But if she needed me, I was still there. I put a line out periodically for months. She'd respond JUST enough in the sense so as to not seem overtly angry. But nothing more than that. We're civil. But the true amazing bond between us is just ... gone. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 04:13 PM
@Auntie:Ah... Yeah... I've dated several Cancers, one for nearly 4 years. He was a Scorpio moon though ♡. The last guy before this one had aaaalll the Cancer, crazy Cancer stellium..., and I hated him intensely by the end. I'm a mega Scorpio so maybe I'm a bit more tolerant of Cancer than you are, given my tolerance and good will towards the Cancer Sun (although I think if I had to date him again I might be much more perturbed and I may have been extremely perturbed then and just don't remember properly). But yeah... I have a definite hard spot in my heart for my South Node sign as well... It's complicated though. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 04:17 PM
What do you think it is about the Cancer-Cap opposition which makes it so bad? I know Moon-Moon opps can be great but this particular combo seems to be a noted exception; still I'd like more insight as to why. I was thinking about cap as mountain and cancer as tide.... And the tide comes in and out and sucks at things and makes a big to-do about it, and the mountain reeeaally couldn't care less... Other parts of me care. Not the mountain goat. Interestingly too, and in the same vein: our Mars Pluto square is arguably in the worst possible signs for such a combo: his Mars in Leo and my Pluto in Scorpio. The fixed Mars Pluto square is apparently NOT workable, people! IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5157 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 04:19 PM
Oh, you know, I totally forgot this. We have ASC 1º15 conjunct, too. That's weird. ASC conjunct, and CHIRON-MOON? I really think twin soul is the best way to describe her. And my karmic soulmate, to be honest. They feel so similar to me. They can both bring out such an intense enthusiasm, passion, and drive in me and also drive me to the depths of despair, feeling lost, confused, and totally abandoned. I don't meet many early/mid Virgo risers. It was astounding that her ASC is on mine, and we're both Libra SUN-PLUTO's, with MOONs opposite each other's. Twin soul. Yeah. Definitely. And, I suppose, my twin 'flame' and I are just a branch or flicker off of that ... mess of ... soul ... stuff. I dunno. Hell, any time I attempt to really 'understand' it, I just end up scratching my head and going, ' ... bah. Whatever!' IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2015 04:25 PM
That's a lot of similarities we've got here Auby!... I think the Asc conjunction is pretty potent... . I feel really intensely connected to this person, it's tangible. Even though he's not going to be in my physical sphere nearly as much, I know he'll always be there for me in some way--but he does infuriate me! That's my personal problem though; it is me getting infuriated. I consider triggers gifts, grist for the mill, as Ram Dass said. Just when i thought i had it all figured out and could just breathe deeply all day, every day, along comes this guy to show me how far i still gave to go. Iq said we have strong Karmic Soulmate patterns and certainly there was a lot of recognition when we met. IP: Logged |