posted November 28, 2015 02:19 PM            

So I know comdoc is really into this aspect pattern as being super ideal and I'm wondering what your thoughts and feelings are about it.

In composite here's the story

Moon 17 Aqua (his Ceres 15 Aqua)
Amor 19 Aqua
Mars 17 Aries
Chiron 15 Gem (his Asc 13 Gem)
Uranus 18 Sag
Karma-Vertex 20 Leo
Composite Dsc 23 Leo..

and then it's

My MC 13 Leo (his IC @ 11 Leo)
My Venus 17 Libra
His Valentine 18 Gemini
My Sun/Moon m/p 14 Sag
His Dsc 13 Sag..
His Sun 21 Aries
His Ceres 15 Aqua

Maybe I'm grasping at straws there... I thiiink there's something else in Leo but I forget. In any case my Venus super appreciates the company round 17 degrees in the air and fire world. Kind of unprecedented.

Anyway.

What are the thoughts on aspect completion of this sort?

posted November 28, 2015 08:57 PM            

Also it's easier for me to imagine what it's about when it's all planets involved, not asteroids or angles. Asteroids are numerous enough to convert all relationships into Star of David relationships. Hmm

I have a wide mystic rectangle:

16 Aries Jupiter
16 Gemini Mars
11 Libra Pluto
12 Sag Venus

'Seems relatively easy to convert that to a Star of David, all I need is for someone to contribute an Aqua-Leo opposition in the 12-16 degree range, and a Libra planet in that same range would tighten things up.

Never found it though...not that I know of.

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posted November 28, 2015 09:27 PM            

The only thing missing is Leo.. it's all within orb, between 15 and 19 degrees. I did mention some stuff with seemed near enough to be relevant. The Leo is Vertex-Karma-Samadhi sandwich with descendant on top so I thought it should get a pass

(Though kidding myself is probably unwise! And it's me I'm really trying to impress here!)

Aaanyway, if i may continue to be unnecessarily excited about non-real Stars of David though... ahem...

I found one in earth and water toooo. There's enough planets. Pshaw. Pretty close!

I'll just post the darn thing.

Again my Venus is 17 Libra.
My Chiron is 7 Cancer
My Juno 1 Virgo (I know, I know--wide!)
His Mars is 4 degrees Taurus and his Mercury 7--can't remember... my descendant is 2 degrees Taurus.

So yeah i dunno. All in all pretty close..
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BUT NO CIGAR!!!??

posted November 28, 2015 09:56 PM            

But I do think your Venus converting the composite to a Star of David is significant. The whole composite could make your Venus "sing."

And for now it does, right?

ETA: Oh I see what you mean about earth/water, too!

posted November 29, 2015 06:32 AM            

Here's Leeloo's thread on geometric patterns in synastries which you'll find interesting.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000093-14.html

I've posted the page which shows a 12 pointed star completion with my bf. Nothing came of it - this is what iQ said about it:

"The 12 Star Pattern is one of the most beautiful and magical shapes I have seen in any relationship chart. The sextiles and trines are clear, they are evidence of a past life relationship in Ancient India or one involving Tantra, possibly studying yoga with the same Guru etc.
But 12 Connections? Every Sign is involved. I guess he is an aspect of your Twin OverSoul who failed to awaken. I cannot understand this beyond that possibility."

posted November 29, 2015 10:20 AM            

But this always happens. Omg he's perfect! So I'm just taking it easy. I feel like part of it is learning not to see a person as a symbol of something, of what they can do for me and how they can fit into my schema of relationship longing (this ultimately takes me out of the sacred present and creates this gap between reality and fantasy).. and seeing them as they are, a beautiful entity in their own right with things to learn and stuff to do. It's big for me.

I'm thinking too in terms of my teenaged penchant for polyamory which was subdued by my early wounding which i think relates to attachment issues. I would get do attached to boyfriends--but it wasn't them i was attached to--it was the idea of having somebody. My heart would just scream for a dependable presence. Perceived abandonment by my otherwise totally devoted mother as a young child caused a huge complex in me. That's how i see it sometimes anyway.

Aaanyway. He's great. I love him. We have a lot in common, and my relating with him brings spirit into more aspects of my life.

posted November 29, 2015 10:45 AM            

I just love your writing! So fluid and deep. Wish I could write like that. Oh but you have Mercury-Pluto sextile moon-Neptune, with no meddling from Saturn. My Mercury is relatively imprisoned compared to yours....where are my tissues....

Anyway, I can see why he's in awe of you.

Also, I realized that if I count asteroids and angles in a Star of David, it would help explain a "hot spot" in my chart: 5-7 Libra. It comes up over and over, in meaningful relationships. I have nothing there. But I have:

7 Aries Black Moon Lilith
7 Gemini Psyche
7 Leo ASC, rectified
(empty Libra)
6 Sag Venus
5 Aqua Mercury/7 Aqua DSC

So my husband's Libra moon converts that to a Star of David.

I do think those empty points in geometric patterns create an invitational energy, where someone else can step in and feel a buzz...feel "enlarged" by the planetary framework they snap into...while we see them as a kind of battery which enables our almost-complete astro-mechanism to run.

posted November 29, 2015 10:57 AM            

I had a reading with iq regarding my last relationship and he figured that was a karmic soulmate situation and I think he was right about that, likely... I'm not sure he was right in saying the positive aspects could override the negative (they really, really didn't). They MIGHT have, but the Pluto Mars square combined with Saturn-Ascendant really did it in.. or, i sensed it was a destructive thing for me, and I got out. I'm not into self destruction, and especially I don't want my daughter exposed to that energy.

In terms of shared Oversouls, I personally feel like... I don't know... the concept does ring true for me in a sense.. I think we're all connected to the same Oversoul ultimately but insofar as individuation is still a thing, there are entities whom we vibrate with much more than others, that's undeniable. This person is, always has been, one of those for me. My attraction to him and my mythologizing of his being was very strong. It's more grounded now but not less magical...

The more i think about it the more i think that his antivertex worked on the North Node of our relationship in a negative way all those years ago... he believed the worst and it came to pass. Now also, I very much wasn't conscious of how very destructive and immature my jealousy and possessiveness were, especially given that he just wanted to establish a meaningful friendship... the romantic overtones were just through the roof though and I've never been one to hold back.. I see it all more clearly now. I'm grateful we have a chance to do it over the right way.

posted November 29, 2015 10:58 AM            

my MARS (8°), trine KD's JUPITER (9° and my VX 8°), trine KD's CHIRON (9°)
my VENUS (10°) trine KD's VENUS (8°) trine my LACHESIS (8°)

If I expand the orb and to nodes and angles, I can create a fire/air pattern, as well, involving the luminaries.

my SUN (10°), trine KD's MC (12° and my DC/NN 12/13°), trine KD's MOON (15°)
my MOON (16°), trine KD's IC (12° and my AC/SN 12/13°), trine KD's VX (11°)

It has a very "you fill in my gaps" kind of feel to it. You just sort of naturally interact, almost as if you're dancing. That hand is there to catch you when you dip, that foot moves just out of the way as you put yours down, your weight shifts just as you feel you might tumble over, etc. It's very comfortable. On the downside, you don't challenge each other very effectively. You play into each other's strengths, but weaknesses, as well. To improve anything, you have to improve yourself first. And that depends on your own natal.

posted November 29, 2015 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

I just love your writing! So fluid and deep. Wish I could write like that. Oh but you have Mercury-Pluto sextile moon-Neptune, with no meddling from Saturn. My Mercury is relatively imprisoned compared to yours....where are my tissues....

Anyway, I can see why he's in awe of you.

Also, I realized that if I count asteroids and angles in a Star of David, it would help explain a "hot spot" in my chart: 5-7 Libra. It comes up over and over, in meaningful relationships. I have nothing there. But I have:

7 Aries Black Moon Lilith
7 Gemini Psyche
7 Leo ASC, rectified
(empty Libra)
6 Sag Venus
5 Aqua Mercury/7 Aqua DSC

So my husband's Libra moon converts that to a Star of David.

I do think those empty points in geometric patterns create an invitational energy, where someone else can step in and feel a buzz...feel "enlarged" by the planetary framework they snap into...while we see them as a kind of battery which enables our almost-complete astro-mechanism to run.

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See, I admire and like your writing style for its purity and 'restraint,' perhaps; maybe you feel hemmed in.. but the essence of your meaning comes through really beautifully, without the need for anything extraneous, and importantly, your lovely kind soul is shining through! That Mercury-Dsc, so considerate and kind (he has that too )...

posted November 29, 2015 11:27 AM            

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I have this in synastry involving mostly planets, in earth/water. It was an immediate spark, and is a lifelong connection. Considering it's been nearly 20 years, I can say that quite confidently.

my MARS (8°), trine KD's JUPITER (9° and my VX 8°), trine KD's CHIRON (9°)
my VENUS (10°) trine KD's VENUS (8°) trine my LACHESIS (8°)

If I expand the orb and to nodes and angles, I can create a fire/air pattern, as well, involving the luminaries.

my SUN (10°), trine KD's MC (12° and my DC/NN 12/13°), trine KD's MOON (15°)
my MOON (16°), trine KD's IC (12° and my AC/SN 12/13°), trine KD's VX (11°)

It has a very "you fill in my gaps" kind of feel to it. You just sort of naturally interact, almost as if you're dancing. That hand is there to catch you when you dip, that foot moves just out of the way as you put yours down, your weight shifts just as you feel you might tumble over, etc. It's very comfortable. On the downside, you don't challenge each other very effectively. You play into each other's strengths, but weaknesses, as well. To improve anything, you have to improve yourself first. And that depends on your own natal.

Not sure how this would manifest in composite, though.

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!!!! Yes!! Gorgeous dance analogy. Beautiful <3 sounds like a long, strong loving friendship/relationship indeed.

posted November 29, 2015 01:24 PM            

"Restraint" is a nice word for how I feel...it suggests that I actually have a huge word cloud that I manage to condense, a feat of compression and selectiveness....

But in fact I tend to draw a blank when confronted with superior writing. Like, "What's there to say in response to THAT?"

So

Thanks for bearing with me.

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I feel like part of why he's in awe of me is because the nature of the relationship allows me to really shine full-tilt, all systems GO!... my Venus just loves a chance to shine! And with the 12th house peregrination that's somewhat rare...

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I'm familiar with that feeling of all systems go, but it's been so long....

Very happy for you both, that you have this.

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Faith-- too, I think that perhaps certain asteroids can be given greater weight and significance than others... in terms of aspect completion, depending in part on their personal significance for you. Psyche and BML are biggies... huge!

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Yes, I don't mean to play favorites, but I agree.

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Edit: For instance the fact that it's his Moon of all things is hugely significant.

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I think so The moon is receptive (absorbent?) so it's more likely to feel, respond to, and avail itself of my set of complementary energies. I think this is evident in my conversations with my husband. I can improve his moods with relative ease ~ which is probably mostly a function of my Mercury trine his moon, but the other points enhance it all.

posted November 29, 2015 02:57 PM            

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from faith:

I'm familiar with that feeling of all systems go, but it's been so long....

Very happy for you both, that you have this. 

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Ah... just for now, as you say! It's normal to feel this way when everything is shiny and new. And it is, new again. New and improved!

Heh... honestly I'm feeling quite a bit of trepidation and doubt. Really trying hard not to put too much weight on the whole thing but it's swamping my consciousness right now honestly. Sigh. Something about Saturn-Asc maybe? Hard to read the signs. Just going to take it as it comes and remain committed to hairy friendship above all. Though the Cupido is strong in this one!

I can see how the composite IC-Saturn could feel very heavy indeed, even as part of such a supportive aspect pattern. Good for stability though... rock solid..

Edit: haha who can tell I LL on my phone? Hairy friendship! Healthy, healthy friendship...

posted November 29, 2015 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Anyhow. It's interesting that iq said your boyfriend had failed to awaken. Do you think that's why nothing came of it? It sounds like that 12 pointed star was very much composed of esoteric asteroids, yes?

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posted November 29, 2015 05:55 PM            

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I'm still wondering if we should be using angles in these configurations and patterns at all.

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I agree here. I think the reason it bears weight and significance for my case in particular is because it involves not one, but three axes conjunct. If it's just one axis, I think it's just a shortcut, or a cheat, if you will.

posted November 29, 2015 10:06 PM            

"It involves two grand trines in fire/air or water/earth, yes? Forming sextiles sequentially all round...
So I know comdoc is really into this aspect pattern as being super ideal and I'm wondering what your thoughts and feelings are about it."

Yungang, in the Grand Sextile formation, there are: 6 sextiles, 6 trines, 3 oppositions, 3 Kites, 6 Cradles! Sacred Geometry humongous energy potential.

LeeLoo, I believe that angle connections are location dependent: therefore not as potent in Pattern Completion as pure planetary synastry. My real world experience with former fiance bears this out. Asteroids in groups or conjunct midpoints can contribute to Grand Sextile, Grand Square, and other patterns.

We should not forget to factor in individual planet and asteroid blends, dignities, and Yin and Yang signs in aspect mandala interpretation. Grand Sextile in Yang (Fire+Air) or Yin (Water+Earth) are totally different beasts. Yang pattern completion gives the couple power of outward expansion; Yin patterns draw materials to the lucky pair.

posted November 29, 2015 11:26 PM            

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I'm still wondering if we should be using angles in these configurations and patterns at all.

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I guess we're all testing it out. In my case, even if I remove my ASC, my husband's sun is right there, so we still have the Star of David, if my Lilith and Psyche count.

But I dunno.

@yungang:

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Really trying hard not to put too much weight on the whole thing but it's swamping my consciousness right now honestly. Sigh. Something about Saturn-Asc maybe? Hard to read the signs. Just going to take it as it comes and remain committed to hairy friendship above all. Though the Cupido is strong in this one!

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Hairy friendship Cute typo!

I know what you mean but have always tended to allow my mind to run wild with possibilities....well like I said, real life is better than TV or novels if we just play it up. While knowing it's play.

posted November 30, 2015 02:40 AM            

My ex and I had the Air/Fire Star if David. I include the AC/DC axis. In our case his AC/DC falls right on his Moon/Pluto opposition, and my AC/DC falls on my Nodal axis. It was/is not an easy ralationship, but I can assure you that no other human on this planet has forced such a transformation/challenge to my soul and vice versa. More than my own parents.

In our case we have...
His Aries Moon and DC
His Gemini Venus
My Leo DC and both of our North Nodes
His Libra AC conjunct Pluto, my Moon/Pluto conjunction
My Sagittarius Mars and both of our Neptunes
My Aquarius AC and both of our South Nodes

We have our Suns trine by 5 minutes, and AC's trine by less than 1 degree. We're also both Hades Mooners(conjunction/opposition) and 9th house Water Suns.

I also find it interesting that our Composite AC/DC axis falls right on my natal Mars and his natal Venus. These two planets form a near exact opposition in our synastry.

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posted November 30, 2015 02:53 AM            

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I have:

7 Aries Black Moon Lilith
7 Gemini Psyche
7 Leo ASC, rectified
(empty Libra)
6 Sag Venus
5 Aqua Mercury/7 Aqua DSC

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