posted October 07, 2015 02:40 PM            

HIS saturn conjunct MY Sun
HIS saturn conjuncf MY Mars
HIS Saturn conjunct MY DSC

MY saturn conjunct HIS moon
MY saturn sextile HIS Venus

MY karma conjuncts HIS uranus.

Along with that Sun-SN and Chiron-NN, what do you think is the karma associated in our relationship?

I believe we were put together to get married and have relationship, but with a central focus on group activities (karma conjunct jupiter in composite).

What do you think is the karma between?

HIS NATAL

SYNASTRY

posted October 08, 2015 04:56 PM            

Though, I'm interested in how his SATURN on your MARS seems to be operating. Bear in mind, this is an out-of-sign conjunction, and 3º is a bit wide for that. It counts -- but it's a weaker aspect.

The strongest link is probably his SATURN conjunct your DSC, 1º in the 7H. I wouldn't be at all surprised that this relationship became committed quickly, for that reason. And I have noticed an odd amount of SATURN conjunct PLUTO in the charts of married karmic soulmates. While, again, a bit wide, his SATURN is conjunct your PLUTO as well.

posted October 08, 2015 05:06 PM            

Otherwise, your SUN on his SNODE is definitely going to remind him of 'the past', but whether it's karma or just who he's been, what he's done, where he's already gone -- that's tough to say.

posted October 08, 2015 06:21 PM            

You answered my question perfectly.

I guess my last question is our synastry and composite fairly decent?

That 12th house stellium is sort of balanced by all of that 11th house energy.

posted October 08, 2015 06:41 PM            

The SUN is opposite CHIRON, and the bulk of the chart's focus is 12H. I wouldn't say the 11H balances it out at all; you've got SUN, MERC, VENUS, and MARS -- all 12H. Yes, MOON is 11H, but that's one against four major influences.

The focus is undeniably in the 12H.

Think of the 11H as being the reward for working through everything in the 12H. In your case, MOON-JUPITER (good humour, strong friendship, happy family) KARMA (clearing karma) and the NEP-URA could be a freedom from disillusionment, and the ability to combine Neptunian influences (illusion, dream, addiction, compassion, saviour complexes) with Uranian ideals (unconventional, freedom-loving, erratic and eccentric, universal brotherhoods, and detached idealistic love and friendship). It all depends on how they're operating.

It's strange that there's not more evidence of the 'karmic relationship' in your synastry, because that 12H pile-up does tend to denote that.

I do love VALENTINE-JUNO, though. While I can't say it's necessarily a saving grace, it can indicate that you're true love soulmates -- if other elements would support that.

A note about the CHIRON influence. These are tough, man. It will take every ounce of strength and courage you have to grow and evolve, because you're both going to be forced to -- to let go of your baggage, psychological blockage, past traumas and whatever holds you back. You'll be faced -- full-frontal -- with all aspects of your demons, both separately and together.

And I agree, this could definitely be a marriage. But it could be a hard marriage, with some serious pain. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it -- just means you should be adequately prepared. And, if you do decide to marry, premarital therapy could save you many, many years of agony. Because this relationship will unearth things you may not even know are still there buried within your psyches.

I don't mess around when it comes to the 12H. I used to; I don't anymore. There's always a deep psychological cleansing involved, and you don't want to be unprepared, or caught off-guard. The ultimate reward is the growth that it offers you, if you stick with it, and endure the painful parts. You can transform into an entirely new, more empowered, enlightened person, who's no longer beholden to all of your crutches, cheats, and whatever you've used to hide from becoming your true self.

It's like ... lifelong couples' therapy -- if that makes sense.

posted October 08, 2015 07:12 PM            

& it's fairly new. We've been dating only for a few months now, but I'm guessing that Sun-SN is why it feels like we've known and been together forever.

I think we've already experienced the horrible moon-chiron clash as well as that chiron-SN clash in our synastry and we survived so that's good news Haha.

I should probably also mention I met him during venus retrograde which isn't too positive from what I've read but Astrology isn't set in stone so we will see what happens.

The karma in our composite is shown through our interactions with his friends. With his IC in Aquarius and his moon there, it's obvious why he can't let go of his childhood friends and stand on his own. He got into some trouble with these same people. He recently went through his Saturn return and Transit Saturn is currently square his moon exact and Transit Saturn is right on too of my mars aligning so we are definitely working through some things even though our relationshp is so new! My Saturn forms a wide conjunction with his moon and this is where most of our arguments stem from. He has self-esteem issues related to past family trauma.

posted October 08, 2015 07:50 PM            

Also, CHIRON issues are rather cyclical. It's a bit like excavation; we unearth one layer, deal with it, pause and evaluate what we've uncovered, and then continue digging. There can be long periods in between, or rather short. But the CHIRON opposite SUN in composite indicates that this dynamic will always be at the heart of your relationship, rather than any single hurdle to clear -- if that makes sense. It's a central facet to the core, likely indicating that the two of you have selected each other, and this time, to undertake this challenging growth together.

tVENUSRx is indeed known for bringing in karmic soulmates, with whom we have major karma -- whether it's theirs or ours predominantly. I forget what the 'rule' is, but it's something like, that which was discovered or left unresolved during the previous tVENUSRx becomes the focus of the present cycle.

posted October 08, 2015 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
My Saturn forms a wide conjunction with his moon and this is where most of our arguments stem from. He has self-esteem issues related to past family trauma.

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I'm gonna say the 'SATURN conjunct MOON' is a red herring. I've been on the MOON side of a 1°30 conjunction, (along with his SNODE-KARMA) and they are hell. I was constantly dealing with his own issues preventing him from being an emotionally supportive influence. In other words, he felt as if he could play the 'you're an emotional wreck' card, even as he was the one who couldn't nurture or even be a good friend. Not that we didn't try. For a damned decade. It was devastating.

There's essentially 9° between your SATURN and his MOON; while that could be a wide conjunction -- if it's heavily configured, and very active for you both -- it's also out-of-sign. These planets are speaking two different languages as it is, and they're not truly linked by conjunction. Any of the influence might be ambient, as they say. But not enough to be the cause of what you're describing.

posted October 08, 2015 08:06 PM            

Your SUN is conjunct my MOON (5°)
My SUN is conjunct your MOON (3°)
Your PLUTO is conjunct my MOON (0°17)
My PLUTO is conjunct your MOON (0°20)

Also:

My SUN is semisextile your SUN (0°00)

posted October 08, 2015 08:12 PM            

No Eros-Saturn aspects, but my Eros conjuncts his Jupiter exact.

Also, my Saturn is sextile his Karma at 2 degrees..

Do you believe it's fairly good karma with those karma aspects between us?

His karma sextile my moon exact..

My karma trine his mercury and Venus and these ARE where out separate issues lie. Maybe it's coincidence or maybe I just want to believe this shows good karma. What do you think?

Like you said, it's too soon to tell but everything you've mentioned has ringed true.

posted October 08, 2015 08:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Apropos of nothing, I thought you'd find this amusing, or insightful. Either one. Heh.

Your SUN is conjunct my MOON (5°)
My SUN is conjunct your MOON (3°)
Your PLUTO is conjunct my MOON (0°17)
My PLUTO is conjunct your MOON (0°20)

Also:

My SUN is semisextile your SUN (0°00)

I just found that kinda wild.

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posted October 08, 2015 08:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
That is wild. Well that explains my obsession with your posts. I read them all.

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posted October 20, 2015 08:16 AM            

That 12th house Pluto RETROGRADE opposite his mars and trine his Moon must be the culprit, along with Saturn in his 1st house trine His Sun and square his Moon.

That's where all of our issues with him come in at.

He's not expressive and he rarely has anything to say. It's cute sometimes, other times it's just annoying and frustrating.

He's said he's told me things he's never told anyone else though so I must be getting somewhere.

I just don't know how to tone down my aggression or overly-expressive demeanor just enough for him to feel relaxed. We've talked about it and my aggression does intimidate him in the sense that he's scared to say the wrong thing for fear I might lash out at him.

Our 12th house energy plays out in the sense that this is a spiritual connection I believe. Our relationship is still very new, but I've noticed this from the start. We were brought together to heal. I feel like he's my marriage soulmate, but it's way too soon to think like that. & this isn't your usual fairlytale "I think he's my soulmate" goo-goo gaga. Reality has nowhere to hide when it comes to us. Our relationship is too deep for that, we have to face reality even at the most uncomfortable and akward moments because of the psychological cleansing being forced to take place,

Our karma is definitely real.

posted December 01, 2015 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Since you're specifically looking at karma -- yes, you're correct to be taking note of the SNODE conjunct SATURN (0°05) between you. However, the greater point is your SATURN square his NODES, 4°. Were he to have a skipped step (a point there within 3°, if an asteroid, and 10°, if a planet) your SATURN would be activating it, showing karma that must be resolved in the present lifeline.

Otherwise, your SUN on his SNODE is definitely going to remind him of 'the past', but whether it's karma or just who he's been, what he's done, where he's already gone -- that's tough to say.

But a big part of your relationship (or meetings) was to reacquaint him with a previous aspect of himself; a bit of his identity that he's either disowned, or, most likely, is just in the past.

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