posted November 21, 2018 10:26 AM            

What would a double whammy moon-Chiron conjunction mean in synastry (1 degree and 4 degree orb) and in the composite (3 degrees)?

posted November 21, 2018 06:39 PM            

In my marriage and my "big love" relationship, I had their Saturn conjunct my Chiron. I loved them both, was dedicated to them both, but they both were less committed to me than I was them. Their lack of dedication, discipline, and determination was my pain.

Natally, I have Chiron in 6th house Taurus. I take commitments seriously, and my health and day to day life is what I am constantly working on to improve. They could not be a part of my day to day life.

I feel like trines are appropriate with Chiron, but that any other aspects are salt in the wound. And my Chiron in my chart is trine Venus, but opposite Uranus, so take that as you will. Conjunctions are raw. Squares are pain. Trines and sextile heal. My perspective anyway.

In composite, I think it highlights the issues the couple will deal with . So say Sun conjunct Chiron would highlight identity issues and concerns. Moon Chiron would be emotional. Uranus Chiron would be stability.

Ironically, I have Uranus opposite Chiron in composite with all of my most significant people. Go figure. Sometimes it is me that is not stable, sometimes it is them.

posted November 21, 2018 10:31 PM            

The relationship was very very painful, that is probably the main word I would use to describe it. So I think this thing about Chiron meaning pain is totally accurate forsure 👍
But, I feel I’ve grown a lot so I don’t regret it. I’ve healed enough that I can actually say that sincerely now lol

posted November 21, 2018 11:03 PM            

Chiron is the healthy healing. Healthy healing can be painful and some people will not like dealing with it, but it is necessary because healthy healing often brings the best rewards in the end. For example, we should eat healthy and exercise frequently to lose weight. Not crash diet and become anorexic or bulimic to lose weight. The former is healthy healing of the body and soul. The latter is not healthy healing. That being said, because Chiron is about trial error, we can often see that we must first experience and suffer the unhealthy healing side of our Chiron before we can truly learn and educate ourselves on the healthy healing side of our Chiron. Our Chiron makes us suffer the crash diets, anorexia, bulimia, and toxic means of body cleansing until one day we wake up and realize we are withering away more of ourself by cleansing this way than we are building ourself up. Then we spend the rest of our life becoming warriors and soldiers to the healthy cleansing side of our Chiron. Thus, we can grow into old gurus of our Chiron, because we have spent so many years battling with it and then conquering it without a single tear to show for it. That's what Chiron is about, building yourself up in the sign and house through healthy, positive means. I think it resembles Neptune or Jupiter traits in that regard.

posted November 22, 2018 12:22 AM            

The wounded healer, Chiron, is like a little bit Pisces, a little bit Virgo. There is debate as to whether indeed it is the ruler of Virgo.

Personally, I like it as Virgo's ruler because it speaks about the Pisces wisdom for "been there done that" and the wellspring of compassion one feels when they see another suffer as you once did.

It also encapsulates the the Virgo end to be of service on a personal level. But again, with the integration of Pisces deep spiritual scope and universality. The Pisces view and wisdom that suffering is part of life, and with the practical earth wisdom of Virgo logic, that we can help each other by pulling the slays and arrows from each other's backs only. Because we cannot reach our own to do the same.

Chiron also speaks of courage (centaurs). Because to go to someone else's wounds, to comfort them, and be present for them, is triggering of our own wounds. To do so though is also tempting, because the fresh water springs of compassion offers temporary relief from the vigilance we apply when we exist in a world where we must guard and hide our wounds.

So, in Synastry there is the hope that we may have that relief with the other person (trines etc), or be denied that relief which is re-wounding (both on a personal level and broader (Virgo and Pisces)), and exacerbating to the longing we crave for the sanctuary of temporary relief and respite from out pains (squares etc).

posted November 22, 2018 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Natally, Chiron in the signs and houses can show where we show constant disappointments and drawbacks.

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Chiron is the healthy healing. Healthy healing can be painful and some people will not like dealing with it, but it is necessary because healthy healing often brings the best rewards in the end. For example, we should eat healthy and exercise frequently to lose weight. Not crash diet and become anorexic or bulimic to lose weight. The former is healthy healing of the body and soul. The latter is not healthy healing. That being said, because Chiron is about trial error, we can often see that we must first experience and suffer the unhealthy healing side of our Chiron before we can truly learn and educate ourselves on the healthy healing side of our Chiron. Our Chiron makes us suffer the crash diets, anorexia, bulimia, and toxic means of body cleansing until one day we wake up and realize we are withering away more of ourself by cleansing this way than we are building ourself up. Then we spend the rest of our life becoming warriors and soldiers to the healthy cleansing side of our Chiron. Thus, we can grow into old gurus of our Chiron, because we have spent so many years battling with it and then conquering it without a single tear to show for it. That's what Chiron is about, building yourself up in the sign and house through healthy, positive means. I think it resembles Neptune or Jupiter traits in that regard.

In synastry, our Chiron can show how we can help our partner on their path to spiritual healing. Where did we see each other naively and how did we hurt one another from such naivety? Where is our lifetime of learning as a couple focused? What lessons must we spend hours learning and conquering even though it hurts so much because no one wants to be a warrior or soldier stabbing at their OWN wounds? What is this couple's crash diet that poorly solves their issues together? And what is their healthy eating and exercise routine that they must pick up to throw away such frivolous means to solving their issues?

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I agree here for the most part. For me personally, i would not say it reflects disappointments or drawbacks. It is a life lesson, a skill I need to learn. Which I think you were essentially saying here too.

In my own day to day life, it shows what I am continually working and striving towards. Mine is Taurus 6th house, and it has very much to do with health and food. Interesting your examples, because this is exactly what I have had to learn. Healthy relationships with food, with my body, with my senses. And while i now have much more perspective, I do not feel I can check the box on this lesson having been learned. This will be ground hog's day for the rest of my life.

At the same time, what I have learned and gained is exactly what I do in my professional life. I counsel and teach, specifically regarding health and nutrition.

To revisit the synastry experience, it was their lack of concern for health and lack of dedication to it that undermined our relationships, though in different ways. My ex husband wanted no part of being healthy, except it became a hidden source of strain. He agreed with me to my face, but lived how he wanted behind my back. And yes, it centered greatly around food. With my big love, he was on a similar path but felt he was so far behind me that he couldn't keep up, and he left. I needed the Saturn lesson they both shared with me, because it was about commitment and responsibility. I HAD to remain committed, and I HAD to choose my self needs over their material needs.

posted November 22, 2018 05:39 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I have Chiron (me) conjunct NN (him). I'm watching it play out at the moment.

The wounded healer, Chiron, is like a little bit Pisces, a little bit Virgo. There is debate as to whether indeed it is the ruler of Virgo.

Personally, I like it as Virgo's ruler because it speaks about the Pisces wisdom for "been there done that" and the wellspring of compassion one feels when they see another suffer as you once did.

It also encapsulates the the Virgo end to be of service on a personal level. But again, with the integration of Pisces deep spiritual scope and universality. The Pisces view and wisdom that suffering is part of life, and with the practical earth wisdom of Virgo logic, that we can help each other by pulling the slays and arrows from each other's backs only. Because we cannot reach our own to do the same.

Chiron also speaks of courage (centaurs). Because to go to someone else's wounds, to comfort them, and be present for them, is triggering of our own wounds. To do so though is also tempting, because the fresh water springs of compassion offers temporary relief from the vigilance we apply when we exist in a world where we must guard and hide our wounds.

So, in Synastry there is the hope that we may have that relief with the other person (trines etc), or be denied that relief which is re-wounding (both on a personal level and broader (Virgo and Pisces)), and exacerbating to the longing we crave for the sanctuary of temporary relief and respite from out pains (squares etc).

I am a bit reserved yet to conclude how it works with the nodes. I think we were talking about this though at length in another thread (can't remember which) with Hypatia.

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This makes a lot of sense to me- I definitely see Virgo as it's ruler. And having a heavy Virgo house and my Chiron in 6th... my lessons have definitely spurred me to "be of service" and take my lessons out in the world to help others.

I also think it is somewhat like Saturn, in that the early lessons of Chiron in our youth are aimed at helping US grow and learn. But as we age, we can turn around and use our Chiron to help OTHERS grow and learn. At least this is what I have seen in my life.

posted November 30, 2018 03:05 PM            

i din't know why the astrological publishers choose to use the healing /death portions of th emyth and ignore all the other experiences of chiron.

if any have rad threads where i talk abotu chiron, i routinuely ignore the healing myths.
i have chiron conjunct my moon and square to the sun and mercury so i certainly know about the healing/pain aspect of chiron but i find it more important to emphasize the intellectual astrological

chiron is the centaur in the glyph for Sagittarius so this shows that chiron is related to higher knowledge and occult subjects.

mythilogically it is said that apollo gave chiron powers of astrology music,and healing. but apollo is a much later god and it is clear that the attribute of Apollo were originally chiron's as chiron a more ancient god. some myth make chiron the son of ixion whose mythology goes back to the first acts of murder on Olympus.

functionally in a chart, chiron shows the point of intellectual criticism. chiron is very analytical and has a moral bias to truth.a strong chiron placement usually shows a person who does not like hypocrisy or exaggeration. chiron gives a incisive mind that often lack tact.

chiron will give an interst in "occult" societies whether masonic,elks. etc.

chiron as the connection between satrun and urnaus gives aneed to balance knwpoledge, to know thereal truth and negativily to use occult /hidden knowledge for ones own benefit.

it is no coincides that in oct 1929 when the market crashed ,chiron had transited the node and then when rertograde again over the node during the entire month of oct 1929.
this happened exactly the same way in sept 2008 when the market collapsed. chiron was forming stationary/retro transits over the node the entire month of sept.

basically i am saying interpret the myth of chiron and reach you own opinions of chirons meaning. it is much braoder than the limited expressions in pulp astrology books.

posted November 30, 2018 03:24 PM            

If Virgo is indeed its rightful ruler, then this makes sense. Perfectionistic like tendencies are really an intense desire to be thorough and complete. But grounded in the real, The here and now .

I hadn’t heard it said the way you did Todd but this makes sense.