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posted April 27, 2015 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you feel about semi sextiles in synastry? Somebody's moon semi-sextiles my sun, moon, and Mercury all within 1 orb. His sun does not aspect either one of those planets, however it does opposite my Venus (3 orb) and Mars (2 orb).

Does this mean that the sun and moon are unaspected if there isn't a conjunction, trine, or square?

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posted April 27, 2015 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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posted April 28, 2015 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Semi-sextile is an interesting aspect. It’s considered minor but like all aspects it does have an impact.

A good way to understand aspects is looking at how they occur in the naturally in the zodiac. So we can characterize aspect according to how they aspect the sign Aries.

In the Zodiac, the signs Taurus and Pisces semi-sextile Aries. So semi-sextiles have some of the qualities of these signs.

The sign behind will look at the sign ahead in a Taurus kind of way. The sign ahead appears as if they ‘have’ something of value to offer the sign behind. The sign ahead appears as if they are one grade ahead in school, and they know some useful things that could be of value to the sign behind to learn. A person with a planet at 24 Pisces will feel that a planet at 24 Aries has useful skills to offer, and value these abilities, as the Pisces planet has yet to learn these things… Like how to be spontaneous and assertive, rather then spaced out and passive.

The sign ahead looks at the sign behind in a Piscean kind of way. They have compassion and sympathy for the sign behind, because this sign represents a stage of existence which they have already been though and past. They understand the foibles of the previous sign even if they don’t identify with them anymore. And they may feel a desire to help or assist the seemingly helpless (from the sign ahead’s point of view) sign behind. A planet at 24 Pisces will feel sympathy for the a planet at 24 Aquarius, and get where they are coming from. They may wish to teach the Aquarius person how not to be so intent on changing and improving the world around them so much, and how to just accept people and things for what they are. They may point out that it’s sometimes better of offer people empathy and understanding, then to try and analyze and revolutionize them.

Another thing that can happen is that the sign behind can sometimes sneak-up and surprise the sign ahead with their actions. That’s because the sign behind represents the 12th house and contains secrets we weren’t expecting. Occasionally, when the sign ahead is not paying attention they may be astonished by what the sign behind does. Afterwards they understand it. But beforehand they may not be expecting it. The sign ahead was looking forward at other things at the time. All these thoughts and feelings may have been going on with the sign behind that the sign ahead was not aware of until the sign behind acts. Then the truth comes out.

These are just examples, I’d say semi-sextiles only work well with tight orbs. No more then 3 degrees.

I hope this helped explain things for you. Drop me a line and let me know what you think.

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Thanks for the interesting post, Lotis.

I am always wondering about the semisextile, too, and never sure how important it is or how to interprete it.

In my synastry with Mr Sag his Venus in Capricorn is semisextile my Sun with only one minute of arc, so I usually think such close orbs ask us to pay attention, but since it is a semisextile, I never know exactly how or what. lol

Funny enough it is not the tightest aspect we have in synastry though (that would be his Jupiter squaring my Nodes with 00 minutes. lol)


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posted April 29, 2015 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I second that! This finally explains a few things for me.

In my synastry with my partner, as I've posted about the board, we have mostly harsh aspects. But there is a positive one: a semi-sextile between both our Marses (Virgo and Libra).

As Virgo, the one behind, yes, I feel like his way of coping with anger and going after what he wants inspires me. Moreover, he's very active about it, like when he wants something from me, he'll bring up last time he did something for me - he's just got to point out how to keep things balanced. Not all of his anger expressions inspire me, though, like his exact square to Uranus (suddenly flaring up) and Neptune (he tends to mumble something about being polite or doing what someone asks of him when he'd actually like to say no - I sense that immediately).

But when I get into chronic complainer-mode (one of Virgo Mars' shadow sides), he'll insist on me looking at what's going right as well, again, to tilt the balance back to equal.

As the 12th house influence on him, yes, he's told me that even now, I keep surprising him. Like there's always something new to find out about me.

I'll check out synastries for more examples, but I really wanted to post this right away, haha.

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posted April 29, 2015 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this aspect is much more evident in the natal, but it can illuminate and characterize patterns already present in synastry.

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posted April 29, 2015 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lotis, well said, that's exactly what I've absorbed from "Linda Goodman's LOVE SIGNS" regarding semi-sextiles AND still how I see it... (that book was THE base and thrill for my further astro development).


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..it can illuminate and characterize patterns already present in synastry.


One of those outstanding things of which I suspect it to be a huge turn on between me and this new crush;

Him;
- Sun/Mars semi-sextile.
Us;
- My Venus semi-sextile his Mars and sextile his Sun.

Orbs resp. ^ 0'45/0'53/0'07

So that would make a tight midpoint pic.


EDIT~@ and that's why I also say that a TRINE or a CONJUNCTION or a SQUARE doesn't necessarily have to be MORE powerful than a semi-sextile (example above) when it becomes a matter of midpoint pictures. Or a matter of 'resonating energies'.

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posted April 29, 2015 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How do you feel about semi sextiles in synastry? Somebody's moon semi-sextiles my sun, moon, and Mercury all within 1 orb. His sun does not aspect either one of those planets, however it does opposite my Venus (3 orb) and Mars (2 orb).

polkadotstars, do you have a natal Sun/Mercury sextile the Moon?

That would be a powerful midpoint pic between the both of you.

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posted April 29, 2015 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:
polkadotstars, do you have a natal Sun/Mercury sextile the Moon?

That would be a powerful midpoint pic between the both of you.


My sun and moon and Mercury are all conjunct under a 1 degree.

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posted April 29, 2015 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Lotis! Very interesting information!

If we have a sun-moon-Mercury semi sextiles does that mean these planets are aspected? I always thought it was only aspected if it was conjunct, square, trine, or opposite.

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posted April 29, 2015 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
My sun and moon and Mercury are all conjunct under a 1 degree.

Ah ok... in that case I'm curious, does HE have a natal sextile OR semi-sextile aspect from his Moon to any planet or maybe angle?

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posted April 29, 2015 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:
Ah ok... in that case I'm curious, does HE have a natal sextile OR semi-sextile aspect from his Moon to any planet or maybe angle?

Hmm his moon sextiles his Mars and Neptune. His sun semi sextiles his Venus.

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posted April 29, 2015 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aah there we have it ^^ .. he's familiar with the (semi-)sextile family between his personal planets!

This doesn't surprise me when such an important stellium of the 'partner' makes 'just' a semi-sextile to his Moon. BUT.. his Moon is also sextile his (not-the-least) MARS! Which then semi-sextile to your Sun/Moon/Mercury... am I right?

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posted October 28, 2015 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liliya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!!!

How wide is the orb?

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posted October 29, 2015 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lotus White, thanks for your insightful perspective! That's a wonderful way to view semisextile aspects.

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
A Semi-sextile is an interesting aspect. It’s considered minor but like all aspects it does have an impact.

A good way to understand aspects is looking at how they occur in the naturally in the zodiac. So we can characterize aspect according to how they aspect the sign Aries.

In the Zodiac, the signs Taurus and Pisces semi-sextile Aries. So semi-sextiles have some of the qualities of these signs.

The sign behind will look at the sign ahead in a Taurus kind of way. The sign ahead appears as if they ‘have’ something of value to offer the sign behind. The sign ahead appears as if they are one grade ahead in school, and they know some useful things that could be of value to the sign behind to learn. A person with a planet at 24 Pisces will feel that a planet at 24 Aries has useful skills to offer, and value these abilities, as the Pisces planet has yet to learn these things… Like how to be spontaneous and assertive, rather then spaced out and passive.

The sign ahead looks at the sign behind in a Piscean kind of way. They have compassion and sympathy for the sign behind, because this sign represents a stage of existence which they have already been though and past. They understand the foibles of the previous sign even if they don’t identify with them anymore. And they may feel a desire to help or assist the seemingly helpless (from the sign ahead’s point of view) sign behind. A planet at 24 Pisces will feel sympathy for the a planet at 24 Aquarius, and get where they are coming from. They may wish to teach the Aquarius person how not to be so intent on changing and improving the world around them so much, and how to just accept people and things for what they are. They may point out that it’s sometimes better of offer people empathy and understanding, then to try and analyze and revolutionize them.

Another thing that can happen is that the sign behind can sometimes sneak-up and surprise the sign ahead with their actions. That’s because the sign behind represents the 12th house and contains secrets we weren’t expecting. Occasionally, when the sign ahead is not paying attention they may be astonished by what the sign behind does. Afterwards they understand it. But beforehand they may not be expecting it. The sign ahead was looking forward at other things at the time. All these thoughts and feelings may have been going on with the sign behind that the sign ahead was not aware of until the sign behind acts. Then the truth comes out.

These are just examples, I’d say semi-sextiles only work well with tight orbs. No more then 3 degrees.

I hope this helped explain things for you. Drop me a line and let me know what you think.


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posted October 30, 2015 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know how to intepret this aspect but it seems to me the orb should be kept under 1 deg in synastry. And if it involves Uranus, Neptune or Pluto then I'd rather stay under 30 minutes.

Anyone has an idea what Moon semisextile Uranus (0.02) could mean?

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posted November 01, 2015 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liliya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh, thats super tight. Do you use the same degrees for other minor aspects, such as semi-square and quincunx then?

We have Sun/Moon(3) and Mars/Mars(2) semi-sextiles

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posted November 01, 2015 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think 2 degrees would be acceptable for a quincunx and quindecile (165) involving at least one personal point. If not then I'd stay under 1 deg. Semisquares, sesquisquares, quintiles, biquintiles - 1.30 max if there is at least 1 PP involed in the aspect. If not, I'd stay under 45 minutes with the exception of Pluto (30 minutes). Now that I think of it, I'd allow not more than 15 min for a Neptune-Pluto or Uranus-Pluto semisextile. Who cares I probably wouldn't pay attention to such an aspect in the first place Other minors are too esoteric to me to even think of them. Btw, don't take this too seriously, I was improvising and experience may modify my opinion.

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posted November 01, 2015 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for this information! I never though semi sextiles were all that important before. I sort of skipped them over while looking at synastry :-p

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http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/07/21/the-tale-of-the-inconjuncts-part-three-the-semi-sextile/

From the inner wheel:

"It’s a strange thing, the semi-sextile. It doesn’t get any respect. The sad step-child of the aspect family, ignored by his mightier siblings, the semi-sextile cries out for attention, but no one sees him. Those who dabble in astrology are mostly blind to him, and even professional astrologers give him short shrift, if they notice him at all. If he is noticed, he’s often dismissed with a puzzled look and a shrug of the shoulders. “It’s only a semi-sextile,” we tell ourselves. “What harm can it do?” And we set our attentions on more important things. Big mistake.

The semi-sextile is the nice, polite kid no one notices, until one day we start wondering who has been putting soap in the cat food and dropping Aunt Bessie’s jewelry down the toilet. Even then, his bigger, stroppier brothers, the quincunx and the square, get the blame, and all the while, while everyone’s back is turned, the semi-sextile grows up in the shadows and thinks up more clever and nefarious means to disrupt the flow. And he gets away with it. This is how Bond villains are created. The next thing you know, he’s threatening to take over the world (or at least, two planets in your chart).

But if we go back to numbers theory, we see that the semi-sextile carries a great power. It’s represented by a sacred number, 12, the very basis of our zodiac. The limitless circle divided by 12 gives us our zodiacal frame, representing a completion of manifest experience–the journey out from 0 Aries and back again. And if you think of the zodiac in conceptual terms, each 30 degree mark is one small, very different step forward on the journey. And this is much the way the semi-sextile operates. It knows where it’s going, but it doesn’t tell you until you’re there. You’re just along for the, usually surprising, experience. Underneath, the semi-sextile carries the transcendence of the three (12 = 1 + 2). But we can transcend the conflict inherent in the two planets only if we recognize the semi-sextile in the first place.

Unlike the trine, which is the true representative of the three (circle divided 3 times, 120 degrees each), and which is about effortlessly transcending the conflict between spirit and matter, (between the 1 and the 2) to allow energy to flow, the 12 represents the end of the material journey and is ultimately concerned with the higher pattern of intent that is beyond matter. It represents the Watcher in all of us, the one that knows the plan, the one that has a good idea of the way things turn out. The semi-sextile is preparing us to leave material reality, and our purposeful intentions, behind, and urges us to “Let go and let god.” Planets in semi-sextile are working together, but only when we sleep, only when we’re looking in the other direction, only when things don’t work out according to our small, matter-bound plans. (This includes our charts themselves, which are defined by matter.) I once heard someone say that the shortest prayer in the world is “F*** it.” That’s the prayer of the semi-sextile. The semi-sextile is where we are when we are forced to let go. That’s the sacrificial element of it, the Neptune/Pisces of it.

This is all related to the separating side of the semi-sextile, which is Piscean in nature. But what of the applying, Taurus side? Because we don’t know where they’re coming from, semi-sextiles can take us to some unexpected places. This is the tension between the impulse of Aries and the acquisitive Taurus, which very much wants to know what it has and where it’s headed. The Taurus semi-sextile is the struggle to hold on in conflict with the need to move on; it also represents the struggle to make manifest what is heretofore only promise and intuition. This is the manifesting ability of the inconjuncts, the ability to create out of conscious and unconscious intention. The difference between the two is that with the quincunxes, we may acknowledge the tensions between the two planets, and with the semi-sextiles, we often do not. Semi-sextiles can sometimes run roughshod over us, and we may hardly know what is happening.

I’ve mentioned the way the inconjuncts create magic in secondary progressions. They are just as potent a guide in the natal chart, if we know what to look for. A planet inconjunct both ends of the Nodes, in particular, represents a potent energy which must be acknowledged, refined and used to expand the life and the conscious awareness–the planet is on a soul-mission, and cannot and will not be ignored. Because the aspect is an inconjunct, there is no guarantee of success. We need to become our own Watchers, to be aware that there is a greater plan for us that is somewhat out of our control, in order to use the energy properly.

When the semi-sextile is to the South Node, it can represent gifts which must be used in this life. Albert Einstein had Uranus in the third semi-sextile the second house South Node; Queen Elizabeth has a first house Mars aspecting her Capricorn South Node; David Frost, the British broadcaster, has a 10th house Mercury semi-sextile the South Node. It can also indicate problems that will eventually be made manifest in order to alter conscious awareness. Both Michael Hutchence, lead singer of INXS, and Montgomery Clift had Chiron semi-sextile the South Node. Both committed suicide, Hutchence quickly, just past his nodal return, and Clift slowly, through drink and drugs. (Hutchence had a second house Chiron to a third house Pisces South Node, Clift had an eighth house Chiron to a ninth house Taurus South Node.) The semi-sextile seems particularly potent when either end is involved with Taurus or Pisces, as they are here. It’s as though the issues are exaggerated and seem less resolvable. (Much the same happens when Virgo or Scorpio is involved with a quincunx.) Chiron is particularly strong when involved in an inconjunct–it’s as though the irresolvable pains of Chiron are magnified ten-fold. But it isn’t always gloom and doom. Some of us can’t come to terms with the pain of our thwarted intentions, but many more of us do. Woody Allen has Chiron in the 10th inconjunct his 11th house South Node in Cancer. Although his public reputation has been tarnished (Chiron/10th) via his behaviour in family life (Cancer SN), he still maintains a successful creative output (NN in 5th) and has one of the longest running and productive careers in film. Often, with planets inconjunct the Nodes, the quincunx end represents the conscious struggle and the semi-sextile end is the thing that pops out and surprises us. When Oprah Winfrey (like Woody Allen, with Cancer SN in 11 and Cap NN in 5) started making a career for herself, I doubt that she realized her career would take off if she shared her personal pain with others (Pluto in 12 semi-sextile the 11th SN). Oprah also has Chiron conjunct the North Node, emphasizing the healing element of her personal expression.

The theme of both inconjuncts is patience. We must have the patience to know that a path will reveal itself, and the strength to face the destruction of the ego’s intentions. We must sit still and wait for the patterns of the universe to reveal our next step, and trust that the fog of our own internal clutter will lift, and we will be guided forward, little by little."

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posted January 07, 2019 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hu_w_ryl_A     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
A Semi-sextile is an interesting aspect. It’s considered minor but like all aspects it does have an impact.

A good way to understand aspects is looking at how they occur in the naturally in the zodiac. So we can characterize aspect according to how they aspect the sign Aries.

In the Zodiac, the signs Taurus and Pisces semi-sextile Aries. So semi-sextiles have some of the qualities of these signs.

The sign behind will look at the sign ahead in a Taurus kind of way. The sign ahead appears as if they ‘have’ something of value to offer the sign behind. The sign ahead appears as if they are one grade ahead in school, and they know some useful things that could be of value to the sign behind to learn. A person with a planet at 24 Pisces will feel that a planet at 24 Aries has useful skills to offer, and value these abilities, as the Pisces planet has yet to learn these things… Like how to be spontaneous and assertive, rather then spaced out and passive.

The sign ahead looks at the sign behind in a Piscean kind of way. They have compassion and sympathy for the sign behind, because this sign represents a stage of existence which they have already been though and past. They understand the foibles of the previous sign even if they don’t identify with them anymore. And they may feel a desire to help or assist the seemingly helpless (from the sign ahead’s point of view) sign behind. A planet at 24 Pisces will feel sympathy for the a planet at 24 Aquarius, and get where they are coming from. They may wish to teach the Aquarius person how not to be so intent on changing and improving the world around them so much, and how to just accept people and things for what they are. They may point out that it’s sometimes better of offer people empathy and understanding, then to try and analyze and revolutionize them.


I know this thread is so old but I was wondering: doesn’t that imply that when looking at semi-sextile you have to look at which planet is “ahead”, meaning which planet is a sign ahead?

I would imagine it will make a difference if it’s Saturn in Capricorn and Uranus in Aquarius vs if it’s Uranus in Capricorn and Saturn in Aquarius ?

I haven’t found anything about that anywhere else ..

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Yeah, if you are talking about a relationship with these factors, let's say synastry, the person with the Saturn cap would feel strongly about their stance, just as much as the Uranus in aqua would cuz those planets are at home in those signs. But the message of the Uranus in aqua would present a situation to the cap Saturn of perhaps, "don't get so caught up in the seriousness of"....whatever the topic may be...kinda bringing that mentality to a more freeflow state.

I would think of it as a helpful nudge forward if you will.

The Saturn cap would really need to take note of this and not resist it so much I would think. Like it's ok to let go and look at things from a different perspective in a sense. It's a growth mode aspect.

In a composite it would work in a similar fashion. The combined entities would need to be in touch with the nudge to view the relationship from a different perspective. In the case you mentioned, to let go of traditional definitions of stability and embrace a different type of relationship, that can still be very rewarding.


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It kind of adds energy to the aspects that are already there, doesn't do much on its own. For example, say you had Sun semi-sextile Venus. But you also had Sun sextile Mars. So if Venus is in between your Sun and Mars, so Venus will add some lovely energy to that aspect that is already there. i.e. Sun in Aquarius, Venus in Pisces, Mars in Aries.
Or if Venus came after Sun and Mars by sign, it let the energy of the Sun-Mars aspect flow out nicer.. i.e. Sun in Sagittarius, Venus in Capricorn, Mars in Libra.


It won't do much heavy lifting on its own but can add a little pinch of flavor to what is already there. Not sure how it is in natal because I have none to apply experience to, but in synastry it could give you guys a tiny breeding ground to smoothly transition from each signs' innate elements. So if an action-oriented Aries who loves to get their hands dirty might struggle to understand passive and sweet-toothed Taurus and their love for luxury and calm, a semi-sextile between the two can give you a small breeding ground to overcome that lack of understanding in one another. It won't be extremely noticeable, it might pop up in small everyday scenarios.

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