posted December 09, 2021 07:47 AM            

Why? For a few reasons.

Look at his Saturn/Pluto in opposition/square beating up your entire Leo stellium. Plus his Chiron right there too sitting on top conjunct your stellium, adding more salt to the wound. And if that’s not bad enough, even your poor Moon in Taurus, which NEEDS stability and calmness, is involved in this very dynamic, intense, stressful, and in your case, Karmic configuration we call a Grand Cross/Square.

It’s alluring, especially with Pluto being involved, and with Saturn too, these two powerhouses combined; it’s promising a lot of change, growth and LESSONS to be learned in this connection. But not the nice kind, these are not “nice”, “loving” or “pleasant” energies, ESPECIALLY in hard aspect, in a grand cross, in fixed signs 😬. It’s the painful kind of lessons, guaranteed, even without Chiron’s influence.

This guy is going to massively affect your self esteem (Leo) in a very bad way. He will criticize, undermine, manipulate and try to control you. He will trigger any previous wounds or trauma you’ve already experienced in the past as well, either thru past lovers, childhood, or your own insecurities etc.
Expect power-struggles galore!

posted December 09, 2021 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Even without seeing the composite (which you should post if you can and getting the entire picture, I hate to say it; but I HATE this for you. Run, run, run. This looks like an incredibly difficult, stressful, toxic, and dare I say potentially traumatic type connections that could leave a permanent wound/scar.

Why? For a few reasons.

Look at his Saturn/Pluto in opposition/square beating up your entire Leo stellium. Plus his Chiron right there too sitting on top conjunct your stellium, adding more salt to the wound. And if that’s not bad enough, even your poor Moon in Taurus, which NEEDS stability and calmness, is involved in this very dynamic, intense, stressful, and in your case, Karmic configuration we call a Grand Cross/Square.

It’s alluring, especially with Pluto being involved, and with Saturn too, these two powerhouses combined; it’s promising a lot of change, growth and LESSONS to be learned in this connection. But not the nice kind, these are not “nice”, “loving” or “pleasant” energies, ESPECIALLY in hard aspect, in a grand cross, in fixed signs 😬. It’s the painful kind of lessons, guaranteed, even without Chiron’s influence.

This guy is going to massively affect your self esteem (Leo) in a very bad way. He will criticize, undermine, manipulate and try to control you. He will trigger any previous wounds or trauma you’ve already experienced in the past as well, either thru past lovers, childhood, or your own insecurities etc.
Expect power-struggles galore!

2. Basic incompatibility. You guys have nothing in common. Super different people. You two have not even ONE personal planet in common, and your planets are making very stressful, conflict inducing aspects to each other. No harmony/real connection between you two. Nothing that bodes well for a long term, stable, happy, healthy or harmonious connection. Which is something you do need, with Moon in Taurus and Jupiter in your 7th house. You want to be HAPPY and have fun in your relationships, you want their to be good-willl and lightheartedness between you two, and to feel safe and secure when you are functioning at your best. At your worst, you crave DRAMA (Leo) and conflict (Aries DSC), because you associate it with passion and excitement. When in reality, it’s draining, toxic and not sustainable/realistic.

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Haha wow, this made me laugh for some reason 😂. It sounds so terrible!! When I saw the synastry for the first time I felt disappointed—he and I have great conversation and are mentally very compatible, but we haven’t met in person yet so I was curious to see what the stars said. Yikesssss.

Here’s the composite, but the AC is off since I don’t know his birth time:

He’s very into me and wants to meet ASAP but we don’t even live in the same state (why does this always happen to me! Lol). I’m intrigued by him because he’s extremely smart, successful, and absolutely fearless in his career (he’s a lawyer and in politics), he has that Aquarian urge a d determination to help others and I love that.

I do love an intense Pluto connection, but like you said, that Chiron sitting directly on my stellium seems atrocious. I was wondering if, let’s say, if any of my planets fell into houses of his which would give some sort of ease, like maybe if my stellium sat in his 5th or even 1st house, but even then, it would still be a difficult relationship, no?

posted December 09, 2021 03:31 PM            

The charts are only “active” when you’re actually together, in person, in each other’s energy fields and interacting. You haven’t experienced this Grand Cross yet.

It’s also important to note, people are always on their best behaviour in the beginning. So you might not notice this conflict yet right now, I’m sure he’s watching what he says carefully and being very agreeable etc. and not being totally authentic. That’s why you think you have a good mental connection, but I’d be curious to see how this all plays out once you two really start being yourself and let your guard down….

The composite is surprisingly better.. not as harsh, but still doesn’t show enough to compensate for that terrible Synastry. The fated/karmic theme is reinforced here again with that yod to Venus from, you guessed it, Saturn and Pluto, just like in the Synastry lol.
If you do pursue this and go forward, you are bound to learn something important from this connection. It’s the whole reason/purpose behind this connection. So I say you do at least meet him once, maybe it will only take that one time to get the lesson behind this, without getting too sucked in and sparing yourself the more painful stuff down the line. Either way. Whatever you chose to do, it was MEANT to be. Extremely karmic and fated.
I just wish we had his TOB for an even more clear picture. If you get it, come back and update.

posted December 09, 2021 05:42 PM            

That's so funny you say that, because we were getting sort of flirty, and I kept warning him not to cross the line but I was still being warm and witty with him. Then of course he crosses the line so I sent him a message this morning saying I do not approve and that I'm taking a step back.

He was very mature about it and expressed his desire to still continue talking and getting to know one another, and I told him the possibility is open for the future, but right now no. Lol. I'm not even sure I'm attracted to him physically, I just love all the positive things he's done for other people and the drive he has, and his intelligence. You're so right--I like the IDEA of him. He's professional, successful, intelligent,and It's nice talking to someone on the same mental wavelength as you. I'd have a very nice life with him lol (or so it seemed). He already was bringing up marriage jokingly, calling me his future wife lol ugh why do guys do that?!
He kept turning everything into something flirty and sexual and while I do want passion and sexual intimacy with whomever I'm with, I was like...okay how dare this guy, he's never met me and he assumes he already has me? Yeah no BYE.

posted December 09, 2021 06:40 PM            

I’m not surprised he was trying to cross your boundaries, that’s another way that Saturn/Pluto can manifest, yup. That’s the undermining, manipulative/control thing I was talking about.
Glad I was able to help shed some light and hopefully spare you some trouble!
I’m sorry if I was harsh lol but I always really do have peoples best interest in mind, especially long term. I’d rather disappoint or seem “negative” in the short term, then sugarcoat and have someone waste their time, energy, resources or miss out on someone who’s really right for them or even worse, something potentially very toxic and damaging. Which is what I felt like was the case here, I just really had a bad feeling from the Synastry and didn’t wanna falsely lead you on.
Situations like that I feel it’s always better to be blunt. Especially early on when you aren’t yet invested, and it’s pretty clear this isn’t promising. I think most of us here would be in consensus about it too and tell you the same thing,

Don’t worry, there’s definitely someone much better suited for you out there. I always tell people, it’s better to be single than in a bad or sub par relationship. Never settle. Besides, you’re a QUEEN (Leo) lol you deserve the best and nothing but the best. You’ll find him just keep your options open and stay optimistic 😊.I See you having a marvellous, blessed, very happy and beneficial marriage once you do find the one! He could even be foreign or from a different background/race/culture etc. Probably tall, funny, well educated, religious and maybe even a red hair lol.

Feel free to request me anytime and I’m more than happy to look over any future prospects again for you, if you want a raw, brutally honest opinion lol you know I’m good for it 😜. I don’t always tell people what they want to hear, but I hope I tell them what they need to in order to get some clarity

posted December 09, 2021 10:20 PM            

His birth time was exact. I guess I should keep it present tense—it is exact. Hard to do when he’s dead to me lol 😂

posted December 09, 2021 11:52 PM            

First thing that comes to mind when I seen his chart, is temper, temper. temper.

Looking at the composite, looks like he cheated? Or was just deceptive and unpredictable/unreliable or unstable in some way. This also looks like an off/on connection with the Uranus squares. Maybe addictions were also ab issue for him? Is he the party type? Or a rebel, issues with the law?
He could have been hesitant to commit too, and I feel like he was really good in bed lol had great technique and could have came on strong/really intensely pursued you and is very “sexy”. But also he has a wandering eye and likes pretty girls. Every pretty girl. He’s very charming, confident, almost cocky/arrogant. He has a lot of sex appeal and is prob good looking and experienced.

But, for all his charm, down deep he’s selfish and maybe shallow too, and can be a very petty/spiteful/below the belt pos who’s vengeful lol. I aIso see he has the tendency to be VERY arrogant minded: he thinks he knows everything, literally, even things he couldn’t possibly know, and yet has the audacity to argue his assumptions as facts. To the point you say you’re having a bad day and proceed to tell him why, and he’s the type that just disregards what you actually said and starts telling you whats “really wrong” etc. This sort of undermining/manipulation probably happened all.the.time. and you probably didn’t even realize it was happening most of the time.
OR if not that, then these markers could manifest instead as liking to or having the tendency to play MIND GAMES! and be very mentally manipulative. Gaslighting and verbal abuse I feel with him. Especially when he’s mad; it’s psychological warfare and he can spit vitriol.
I also just see him as childish, and sort of narcissistic. But I keep wanting to say shallow lol he cares about looks too much and maybe status too.

But it makes me sad looking at this Synastry, I can see you really loved him and were committed and thought of him as your ideal in a lot of ways and you were probably instantly attracted and drawn to him. You maybe even wanted marriage or something long term.
Unfortunately I don’t see that same commitment on his side, he always felt like something was missing with you. You weren’t his ideal, not the one he wanted to settle down with. This was more “fling” for him. It’s like he liked or loved you, but not enough. I think he was very attracted to you physically/sexually, but maybe objectified you too much, was more of a physical/lust/fleeting infatuation type thing? Like he complimented you a lot and made you feel good maybe but it was always more superficial based?

Also, I’m curious. Was/is he into BDSM type stuff? He’s gotta be lol. I see him as very dominant/masculine and liking control.
Looks like he’s quite funny too with a dark sense of humour lol

Looks like heavy passion between you but just like before, tons of conflict/arguements here, even worse than the other guy. Because his Mars and Mercury are involved. 🙃 I’m not surprised you hate him now. Like I said before, this grand cross energy is very destructive and difficult. I’ve never seen hard patterned configurations like this end well. And I’ve read A LOT of charts. To the point it’s not a maybe anymore, but just a matter of when. Sane people can only handle this toxic ass energy for so long, it will kill even the deepest of love eventually…..
So note to future self, avoid anyone born within those years where Saturn AND Pluto make a t-square with you, OK!? Lol trust me your soulmate isn’t gonna be born within that time.

Touching on the composite more;

Looks like you two were a very popular or good looking couple. Did you take a lot of pics together too lol like on social media/Instagram. I feel like you guys were a “golden couple” type thing in your group.

Oof and that exact moon square Chiron, square NN too (Chiron, NN, moon t-square) looks painful too, I think he really hurt you…, and as messed up as it is to say, he was always meant to (NN)… the was the purpose (NN) of this relationship (complete), emotional (moon) pain/wounding (Chiron), BUT let us not forget, Chiron is also WISDOM. We learn the most in hard not easy times.

From the charts, and everything you’ve said too, it reads to me like a textbook karmic soulmate relationship.
It’s passionate, intense, on/off, we tend to go in cycles/repeat the same patterns, hard to break away even when we know it’s not working or toxic and an instant attraction/connection or sense of familiarity and comfort and deep feelings, that is meant to teach us valuable lessons and level us up as human beings, but always thru pain. That’s the difference between a karmic and real soulmate the way we’ve been taught to believe when we hear the word. Karmics are pretty much every failed relationship we have until we meet the “one” lol the one that lasts and is HEALING/easy is the truelove soulmate one. All soulmates we are destined to meet at certain times, depending on our level of growth. They are all important and meaningful.
When you’ve let go of any resentment towards him, that’s how you’ll know you’ve truly healed and he’s served his purpose sometimes it takes a long time…. But I’ve noticed a pattern in my clients that as soon as they truly release the hurt of past karmics, and start loving them again in a way/coming full circle , and start to see the beauty and blessings in it, and start to see the big picture of why things happened the way they did and realize the wouldn’t have wanted it any other way and mean it: BOOM big level up happens in your souls energy and you’ll meet your truelove soulmate, the one we dream of as little boys and girls, soon after, within weeks/months. It’s beautiful to see. Trust in the universe, there’s a master plan for all of us

Hmm and lastly, that sun quincunx moon is really standing out to me like a sore thumb…I’m not an expert in this aspect as I don’t have much experience with it, I rarely ever see it tbh. But that’s why it’s important.
Look more into it and let me know if anything resonates and report back lol would be very helpful for myself and future clients! Thanks

Hopefully this gave you some more insight or confirmed certain suspicions you had about him etc. or gave you some closure in some way. Let me know

I feel like you’re gonna meet your truelove within 5 years btw. Or 5 weeks, months, in May, on the 5th, he’s a Lifepath 5 in numerology OR 5 something age difference between you (days, months, weeks, years) or it’s his fav number. But keep the number 5 in mind ok. Very important. And I’m seeing mountains, which reminds me of Colorado lol. Or winter time skiing instructor comes to mind too. Or he’s just a very outdoorsy type. But I’m seeing him on top a mountain, skiing and hes all bundled up, red on his jacket. Brown shaggy hair. He likes the cold/snow, doesn’t bother him.
Wow and now spirit is showing me he might be a genuine professional skier!? Or snowboarder. Something with snow sports lol. But I feel he could be famous/well known or decorated, like he might have ribbons of awards. Maybe 5. And maybe the event you meet him at, is some sort of resort/event/competition and could have the name 5 in it, or your ticket number had a bunch of 5’s on it, or seat or room or something like that. Or he’s player/lane/competitor number 5 or he comes in 5th at that event. I’m throwing out multiple possibilities cuz it could be all, a couple or only one of these. But please, remember this 5 significance it’s very very important lol.
And make sure you don’t turn down any invitations to alpine skiing events or resorts or something idk lol. Just go if the opportunity arises.
Something about his eyes too..“Like marbles” whatever that means to you. But that’s what you’ll think or say to yourself when you meet him and you’re just going to know it’s him when you meet him too.

(I’m a psychic so this was all channeled for you, unintentionally too lol, I guess my spirit guides like you ).

posted December 10, 2021 10:19 AM            

He was always very clear that I wasthe most important thing to him and he wanted no one else. What's funny is that I was the one that was unsure, I was the one that kept him at arms length, I was the one that crushed his heart by never giving in to him. He pursued me relentlessly--as a gentleman--for two years. He tried so hard, poor guy, and I just would not budge. Why? Despite how goodlooking, educated, and smart he was, I had a feeling.
I had a feeling that he had anger issues and that he was extremely controlling (when he was picking me up for our first date, I told him I'd be a little late, and he said, "Are you serious? You've had all day to get ready." I was like, "Oh, well I don't have to get ready at all then." And he quickly backtracked. That was a red flag for me and one of the reasons I didn't let things progress further for two years.) The entire dinner he was staring at me so intensely that finally I was like, "Are you okay?!" I felt uncomfortable with that amount of staring haha. I had a feeling if I gave in, he would hurt me. (I ended up being right). Anyway, I began dating someone else and basically blew him off.
He then reached out again a year later, but he had moved to Colorado. He said he hadn't stopped thinking about me and would like to talk if I was open to it. Our conversations were always so exciting and in depth, they really struck a cord with me, so I agreed. But after talking for about a week I still had a sense of that controlling feeling, so I again ghosted him. Poor guy lol. He had written me beautiful love letters, he tried so hard, he was a complete gentleman. But nope. Anyway, we finally began a long-distance thing after I went to visit my best friend who lives in Denver. I invited him to a halloween party and the chemistry was off the charts. Ahhh. That connection! I feel its so rare. Nothing happened physically but we began talking everyday after that. I slowly felt something growing within me--realized I loved him. I didn't tell him that, but he professed his love for me anyway. It was such a beautiful time...this was last year. I ended up visiting him for a weekend in December and it was magical---but i STILL had a weird feeling! I could not understand what it was. I knew I loved him but I felt stifled, or like I couldn't be fully myself. Yes his pluto touched all my personal planets, but I think the conjunction between my pluto and his sun really laid him open to me. He would be shocked sometimes at how accurately I'd describe what he was feeling/thinking.

Anyway, long story short, he has major major trust issues. Not just from me but in general. They’re ultimately what ended everything. He would keep asking, "How do I know you're not just going to crush me again like you have so many other times?" And I kept telling him this time was different. He said, "How?" And I told him of my past fears of him becoming controlling. He said that there was no safer place for my heart than under his protection. He said that he kept trying to replicate me in other women, but it never worked. He wanted to build a life together, to marry me (he was asking me ever since we met what it would take for me to marry him lol). He was actually the mature one in the relationship--he was steady, strong, attentive. I was flighty, passionate, volatile--which I think stemmed from that underlying feeling I had of not ever wanting to be manipulated or controlled. I didn't see him as my ideal until later...he saw me as his ideal from the very first day. He appreciated all my humor, he loved my values, my dignity, and yes my beauty as well. He always mentioned how much he loved my brain, he said, "I've always dreamt of falling in love with someones mind, and you have a mind like that." Yes he loved my appearance, but our connection was deeper than that. I'm not sure if the charts show that, but it really was beautiful. We'd even say the same thing at the same time and just look at each other like...what the hell was that?!

But, the fates did not allow us to be together. I am a strong person, I bounce back very easily from setbacks, but this breakup literally broke me. I was bedridden for an entire week. I lost 15 lbs (and I don't have 15 lbs to lose!). I was unable to do anything. It was so odd. It's a long story so I won't get into what exactly happened--I need to write a book about this love story though. It was the most intense, most life-changing, most terrible, most beautiful thing I've ever experienced. I used to pray and entreat the divine, "why, why did you put him in my life if it wasn't meant to be? What was the point of all this?" I was so torn up and broken inside. I literally would have to step out of class to go to the restroom to throw up. I couldn't eat, food physically made me want to be ill. Anyway. After much soul searching, I realize that this experience made me so much stronger than I ever would have been had we stayed together. It's like the Phoenix. I was consumed by those flames of love until I felt I utterly perished, and from those ashes, I somehow rose again.
And I absolutely love it.
If you'd have asked me then, I would've laughed in your face, all I wanted was him. Now, I realize, I have everything if I have God. And God is everywhere, he is everything--so I am never alone. I truly feel grateful for this experience, as heavy and painful as it was. Do I ever want to go through it again? Hell to the NO. But I am glad it happened. I feel a sense of belonging with the Divine, with the Universe. That it belongs to me, and I to it, and everyone to each other. That's how I know I've healed. I do think of him from time to time (probably more often than I'd like to admit). And I don't hate him at all. I actaully probably still love him. I wish him every happiness in life, and I know were we to chance upon each other on the street one day in the future, it would be a beautiful reuniting. But being together wasn't in the cards.
I'm grateful to have Pluto in 1st and moon in 8th because otherwise I don't know if I would've been able to survive that heartbreak. It was excruciating. Blah.

Anyway, what was I saying? haha. I keep getting so sucked in to that story whenever I think about it. But yes, I know he is out there somewhere, and perhaps he thinks of me from time to time.... and I do believe he loves me too. But the stars were not aligned for us

Ok, moving on.

Thank you for your in depth reading--I love learning about astrology and seeing the insights from other people. I have a pretty good understanding of it but not like you. It really is such an accurate art, and the role Free Will plays in it, too, is fascinating.
So, 5 huh? Interesting. My Jupiter is entering 5th house soon, and 5th house will be loaded around April or May (Neptune is still there--oh boy lol--and I think Venus and mars and even Sun will be there in the spring), so we shall see what happens. One of my best friends lives in Colorado, like I mentioned, and my OTHER best friend is moving there in January, so we've talked plenty about going skiing or snowboarding, so I find it hilarious you mentioned all that. You just had a vision about it? Whatttttttt lol. I am keeping my eyes and heart open--but with wisdom backing me this time.
I will most certainly keep you updated with all this, because I am sure I will need your advice!

Thank you, again!