posted December 09, 2023 08:30 AM            

It's been a decade since I posted here I guess no one here knows me anymore hehe ...

My question about Moon SN conjunction. Usually it is said that the Moon feels in debt but I have this aspect with someone and I am the south node. I feel I am being of enormous help and I am giving giving giving all the time. I feel like the mom, worrying, advising, loving etc. This is not meant to say good or bad but just that to me it feels the other way around. They also say it is draining for the Moon but I guess in my case it could also be other way around.

Very interested in your experiences :-))) Thank you very very much already!

posted December 09, 2023 08:38 AM            

He could have helped me at school, but he didn’t. Behind my back, he asked about me, when I dropped out, months before we moved overseas. He asked me out, just before we moved, and we haven’t spoken for years. We lived next door to each other, our mums were best friends.
I was friends with his brother, on social media.

posted December 09, 2023 09:33 AM            

Thanks for your reply. Yes I remember you as well. I was registered somewhere in 2002 with a different name and then Sylven (derived from Sylvan the wood elves)

I should rephrase my question. To me this aspect feels other way around than is described. I feel like the Moon. I feel I am the one 'in debt' and the one that could be drained.

posted December 09, 2023 09:08 PM            

I'd say I feel the 'beholden' aspect more with siblings than friends or partners, but this conjunction always takes place in my 3rd house anyway.

My partner has Juno and Mars also conjunct their SN and the trio sit on my Moon/IC. I don't feel drained by this connection at all, which is amazing, BUT. It does require a LOT of boundaries. It's easy to fall into each other and get lost for days and days-- which is energetically draining on both of us.

However our NN's are both well aspected and my own SN is VERY well aspected despite Chiron sitting with it, so for me the SN energy has done a lot (a LOT) of growth in this lifetime. I find SN connections so very pleasant and heartwarming now, like souls visiting from past lives.

posted December 13, 2023 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
South Node aspects are about the past. Aren’t really good for longterm. At one point someone may held back.

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I agree that they relate to the past. I’ve put my Venus on someone’s SN. This someone has Sun conjunct his NN. Overtime I felt the Venus “drain” out of me and my willingness to be pleasant around this person fade.

Let me explain the mechanism of “drainage.” My Venus is in Leo and this person’s Sun, opposite my Venus, is his third lord. I just found this person very dishonest. He was forever pushing products at me even though I had made it clear that 1) I didn’t need them 2) he was the last person I would patronise because he’s simply dishonest. He can create fake back stories, fake timelines, entirely fake narratives about personal values if he think it advances his case.

posted December 14, 2023 02:15 AM            

I am not so much interested if this is long term, negative positive. I do know us two are bonded for a loooong time. Yes, we have known each other in other lives (timelines). It feels for sure it was mother/close family. So even when I would feel done or repulsed it is family and we won't let each other down. We have grown together so much and share so much. We have our angles conjunct and also north node synastry conjunct important ruler (and a lot else like Pluto conjunct Venus and Saturn aspects vice versa).

What I am wondering is how this aspect works. Like I said, I feel the Moon in this aspect is felt for both parties and both parties can feel drained if this may happen. I think it is very important to be conscious about the dynamic and let it transfom you. For instance, I am a helper, it's in my blood ;-) but in our friendship it turned out I was more like a mom and it felt unhealthy and not free. So we talked about it. I let go of all that and it feels a lot better.

I think this aspect is one of the aspects that makes us feel super bonded and commited. It is a good thing. It really depends about the other factors. Every relationship is different, has a different goal so to say.

posted December 14, 2023 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
South Node aspects are about the past. Aren’t really good for longterm. At one point someone may held back.

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posted December 14, 2023 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Sylven:
This is really too simple. A lot of people are married having a south node aspect. It's about the whole synastry and how the couple relates to each other etc ...

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posted December 14, 2023 04:02 PM            

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You're right the entire synastry does matter. And this has been my experience and I've also seen this with others. I have Mars conjunct South Node with someone. We were involved for about five years. Eventually, the Mars person said they felt held back. A couple who had Sun conjunct South Node they had nice synastry even Moon conjunct Moon and was married for three years (even had Saturn conjunct north node) ended in divorce. I've also read where others have said it usually doesn't last.

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I genuinely feel that those with planets who contact another's South Node are confronted with their own emotional past in many ways-- presented with an opportunity to grow up in those areas and feel the magnetic motion of South AND NORTH nodes. The south node CANNOT be felt on it's own, it's constantly in polarity with it's opposite, sister sign degree.

'Held back' POV from the planet person is almost always a cop-out, an unwillingness to feel the polarity of how life needs to operate in flux. I find (especially with a planet like MARS) it is HARD to let go of patters, because Mars is immediate behaviour, impulsive reactions -- b u t. It is also our place of free will, if we are intentional with it. A lot of Mars placements absolutely hate feeling pressure to behave a certain way, which the nodes of the moon will ALWAYS trigger (look at how they feel in transit-- synastry is a lingering transit filtered through a person).

posted December 14, 2023 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
I genuinely feel that those with planets who contact another's South Node are confronted with their own emotional past in many ways-- presented with an opportunity to grow up in those areas and feel the magnetic motion of South AND NORTH nodes. The south node CANNOT be felt on it's own, it's constantly in polarity with it's opposite, sister sign degree.

'Held back' POV from the planet person is almost always a cop-out, an unwillingness to feel the polarity of how life needs to operate in flux. I find (especially with a planet like MARS) it is HARD to let go of patters, because Mars is immediate behaviour, impulsive reactions -- b u t. It is also our place of free will, if we are intentional with it. A lot of Mars placements absolutely hate feeling pressure to behave a certain way, which the nodes of the moon will ALWAYS trigger (look at how they feel in transit-- synastry is a lingering transit filtered through a person).

But ofc, everyone is entitled to feel what they feel- and a lot of our society here in the west is built on a Right To Comfort, which means the moment people decide it's too uncomfortable to do the inner work, they bounce and make every excuse under the sun. Resistance to change IS draining.

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posted December 16, 2023 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I think it's more difficult to live out our North Node. Because we are so used to feeling the South Node it's comfortable for us. I can even use myself as an example. I have South Node in the 2nd house in Libra. I've always had a comfortable life without ever having to do much of anything. Growing up (the past) I got every and anything that I wanted. Now I have to start living out my North Node which is in the 8th house in Aries and be more independent and it's a struggle for me.

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This seems to entirely depend on the person's upbringing, and not something universally experienced. The NN is often 'felt' sporadically before the first Saturn return, sometimes more depending on the chart and the people involved in their life.

It is a little odd you say that you felt you had everything you wanted, yet are seeking independence ... I would strongly argue that your 8th House NN was much more active, as you got whatever you wanted and needed through others. And that your move to independence and personal support would be more aligned with the 2nd house topics. 8th house is a 'we' space, 2nd house is a 'me' space. I suppose I can see the perspectives from the inside being reversed however.

But again, it strongly depends on the whole chart, and those around us (no placement ever exists in a vacuum).

Another example I can offer is my own experience, which is much more the opposite. Although my ancestral life and early experience often pulled on me from the South Node (which conjuncts Chiron), I was constantly put into positions where the NN was activated. I was also blessed with a sibling at a very young age, who's placements activated my NN very strongly, and the 'world' was opened up to my consciousness from that very young age.

posted December 17, 2023 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
I had this with my ex of 8 years. It was my moon and his South Node. It was a past life connection. The way I experienced this aspect is that I felt like I had to look out for him and was pushed into a caregiving role sometimes which is detrimental to a romantic relationship in my opinion.

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posted December 18, 2023 03:10 AM            

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I had this with my ex of 8 years. It was my moon and his South Node. It was definitely a past life connection. The way I experienced this aspect is that I felt like I had to look out for him and was pushed into a caregiving role sometimes which is detrimental to a romantic relationship in my opinion.

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posted December 18, 2023 03:29 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
You're right the entire synastry does matter. And this has been my experience and I've also seen this with others. I have Mars conjunct South Node with someone. We were involved for about five years. Eventually, the Mars person said they felt held back. A couple who had Sun conjunct South Node they had nice synastry even Moon conjunct Moon and was married for three years (even had Saturn conjunct north node) ended in divorce. I've also read where others have said it usually doesn't last.

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I am not concerned about if it lasts or not. But yes, this does frequently happen. In my case this synastry is of me and a good friend. He is my tell all person. Like a piece of myself. Confident without being a lover. ;-)

But what lasts nowadays? Plus why is this always the focus of most people? Asking "will it last?" Concerning themselves to be forever with someone instead of seeing what the synastry does to their spiritual and personal development. Not saying this directly to you just in general.

There are also examples of south node/personal planet synastry that do last. Can feel like a burden as well but oh boy so much goodies in there for soul growth :-D Most relationships are filled with challenges anyway.

In my case we also have Mercury conjunct north node. I don't know anyone who chats as much as we do hahahaha ... Pfff! I am sure that after this life we will look back and think "og my goodness!!!!"

posted December 18, 2023 03:32 AM            

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Yeah, I don't think South Node aspects are good for relationships. I think it can be the same feeling as a caregiver with Moon/North Node. But it doesn't seem to feel like a burden as it eventually does with Moon/South Node. Because it's about the past and the North Node is where we are supposed to be headed. Even though it might be a struggle, we try to fight against our North Node. Eventually, that's where we end up. I have a friend who has North Node in the 12th house. He lived in New York for a long time. But eventually, he moved to California and he's very spiritual.

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posted December 18, 2023 03:40 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
This seems to entirely depend on the person's upbringing, and not something universally experienced. The NN is often 'felt' sporadically before the first Saturn return, sometimes more depending on the chart and the people involved in their life.

It is a little odd you say that you felt you had everything you wanted, yet are seeking independence ... I would strongly argue that your 8th House NN was much more active, as you got whatever you wanted and needed through others. And that your move to independence and personal support would be more aligned with the 2nd house topics. 8th house is a 'we' space, 2nd house is a 'me' space. I suppose I can see the perspectives from the inside being reversed however.

But again, it strongly depends on the whole chart, and those around us (no placement ever exists in a vacuum).

Another example I can offer is my own experience, which is much more the opposite. Although my ancestral life and early experience often pulled on me from the South Node (which conjuncts Chiron), I was constantly put into positions where the NN was activated. I was also blessed with a sibling at a very young age, who's placements activated my NN very strongly, and the 'world' was opened up to my consciousness from that very young age.

I suppose the point I was making before is that the nodes are constantly in polarity, back and forth- as is the nature of the cosmos. The earth never stops spinning, nor does the moon or it's effects on us and our planet- it could be a more CONSCIOUS vs UNCONSCIOUS awareness of our nodal effects, but they are not something we seek to balance. They balance us.

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I will come back later but wow, I love how you say the nodes are like the nature of the cosmos. Totally agree. Like breathing ... contraction, expansion.

posted January 03, 2024 06:20 PM            

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I will come back later but wow, I love how you say the nodes are like the nature of the cosmos. Totally agree. Like breathing ... contraction, expansion.

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