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proxieme
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posted January 12, 2003 03:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Joseph Campbell:
"You can tell what's informing a society by...what the building is that's the tallest building in the place. When you approach a medieval town, the cathedral's the tallest thing in the place; when you approach a 17th century city, it's the political palace that's the tallest thing in the place; and when you approach a modern city, it's the office buildings and dwellings (...)"

What do you think informs your life? What do you place in highest prominence?
What do you think your respective societies allow to inform them?

Just some questions from a curious party

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N_wEvil
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posted January 12, 2003 03:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I wasnt aware there was anything at the top (literally) other than company CEO penthouses.....or maybe the helipad/satellite dishes/heat exchangers? heh

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proxieme
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posted January 12, 2003 03:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message
...other than company CEO penthouses.....or maybe the helipad/satellite dishes/heat exchangers

You could then say, perhaps, that our society privileges financial success and noteriety, as well as the rapid and efficient exchange of information (data as commodities), right?

What do you personally privilege?
That is, what do you allow to take hold of and direct your thoughts b/c of the importance which you place upon it/them?
Our biases and beliefs dictate what we examine (the neck that turns the head, if you will) - if nothing else, the questions which we ask must have some basis in the information that we already know, and the information that we already know stems from that which either we or our societies have deemed important and worthy of consideration - ...so, where is your head turned?

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N_wEvil
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posted January 12, 2003 03:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thats the thing - Astrology more than any other science teaches us we're all different, however in a system where you reward certain personal attributes over another the people who are unfortunate enough to be born without those attributes never have a chance.

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proxieme
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posted January 12, 2003 03:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Sure they do - they just have to have the courage to step out of the system in which they're bound, or feel themselves bound at any rate.
I mean, the only thing really binding us to anything is ourselves, our own thoughts, our belief that we are so, right?

...and courage isn't an attribute per se, it's an action. Everyone's afraid, everyone who's human, anyway. It's a matter of facing that, challenging that; and doing not b/c of fear, or b/c of a lack of fear, but despite it - transcending strangling paralysis.
Stepping into the unknown as it is, letting yourself fall while trusting - finding freedom there.


I don't know where the he*l that came from.

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N_wEvil
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posted January 12, 2003 03:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message
WRONG!

We cant go ANYWHERE away from this system - somebody "owns" every square millimeter of this planet - you can't escape it, you have no choice.

And the people who have the courage to step out of line are called "revolutionaries" and "terrorists" and are promptly locked up.

Welcome to 2003 - and big brothers' a 6 billion cell retard in big, clumsy jackboots.

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proxieme
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posted January 12, 2003 04:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Then you must get away from that which people can own -

You are not the social construction that has been built. You are not your status. You are not your possessions. You are not your body. Those can be broken and taken and destroyed - they can be owned.
No one can own your thoughts, your beliefs, and your own actions. Not if you don't let them.
You are only owned if you allow yourself to be.

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N_wEvil
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posted January 12, 2003 04:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message
yep, however with most of the worlds population conditioned to think they are owned (by the definition you've used)...

It ultimately sucks one has to re-educate themselves out of that state of mind at all.

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proxieme
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posted January 13, 2003 12:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message
You should run for public office, N_w - you still haven't answered my question

...unless I can make the assumption that you privilege individuality and freedom from imposed contraints in your thoughts and questions, as well as the valuing of people as they are...

If so, how do you see that play out in your life? (If I may ask.)

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