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moonshadow
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posted July 23, 2002 08:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Donna

Can you see anything in my chart relating to children. I don't have any yet and I have Saturn in the 5th which might indicate a delay? I have a medical condition which might make it difficult for me to have children. My saturn return is around the corner and this might be what is making me restless. My husband(who had his saturn return in feb) is not quite ready yet so we'll wait. Any indications of what my chart holds?
My details:
10 July 1973, Brits, South Africa,19h00

Thanks!
Moonshadow

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Donna
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posted July 23, 2002 12:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Moonshadow,

Well, children are promised in the natal chart by the number of applying aspects made to the ruler of the 5th. Since you have Gemini on the 5th, Mercury has two applying aspects, a trine from the Moon and a sextile from Pluto.

Any planet in the 5th usually just describes the first child. So, Saturn being there indicates a chld with Capricorn qualities. And possibly the delay in having that child until the time is right.

Donna

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pearly
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posted July 23, 2002 04:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Donna,

Great information! I don't think I've ever learned something that quick in my life! You explained that very well, thanks

This is a good question moonshadow. Did it hold true for you? I applied it to my girlfriends chart and it was straight on for her.

Donna- one quick question if you don't mind. What would be considered an "applying aspect"? Does that mean "favorable" ones like trines or just any aspect made to the corresponding planet. Also, how often is this found to be true in your experience? I understand that free will is involved, but are there any deeper meanings involved with this? For instance, does it possibly show how many souls you have agreed to help previous to being born? I'd appreciate any extra elaboration you are willing to give. Thanks for your knowledge!

pearly

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moonshadow
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posted July 24, 2002 02:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Donna

I am holding thumbs! I intend to also use Linda's astrological indicator when trying to conceive(the distance beween the sun & moon).

Lots of love
Moonshadow

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Donna
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posted July 24, 2002 04:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi moonshadow, you are welcome! And yes, using the astrobiology method is great. I have done charts for friends and they have conceived using that method. I wish you the best!!

Pearly, the applying aspect is for any one of them, whether square, trine, etc. It simply means the aspect hasn't become exact yet, but is applying to become exact on the same degree as the other planet and is within the allowable orb. The same holds true for separating aspects, which are aspects that have already been exact and now they are separating their orbs. Except, separating aspects do not promise children.

Free will is certainly a factor and even though the chart may promise, say 4 children, a choice can or may be made to have only 2 children. It is all about the potential and we choose how much we want to take advantage of that potential.

I honestly don't know if there is a way to see how many souls we have agreed to help previously other than the promise of how many births we have the capability of from our natal chart. Our natal charts hold all sorts of promise, but we have the free will to choose how much we develop that promise.

I kind of feel that our higher self knows this (how many souls we may have agreed to birth prior to incarnation).

I have found that every chart I checked to be true so far, including male charts.

Well, hope I answered your questions.

And they were good ones too!!

Donna

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pearly
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posted July 31, 2002 12:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Donna

Very good information, I appreciate it!

-Pearly

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pearly
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posted July 31, 2002 01:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, Moonshadow,

Thanks for asking the original question! I just realized what you were inquiring about in the first place and I want to apologize for being clueless. ...because I think in my haste over your topic (because I was just talking about this with one of my girlfriends) I overlooked alot of your original post.

We are born in the same year and I am going through my Saturn Return as well (I can relate in that respect)...and guess what? Mine's in Gemini (as well) squaring my Sun, Mercury and Venus in the 3rd House. I am studying quite a bit about communication right now! So please forgive me

As well, I just want to offer you encouragement and strength. I have had friends in very similar-sounding situations as yours (I don't know what yours is exactly) and they were able to succeed in having children, but not after enduring testing of patience. And really, that is what Saturn is all about.

In your chart it seems as if there are interesting dynamics going on between your 5th, 6th, 7th houses and also with your NN. Something maybe to check out if you want, just to feel better or understand that this may just be a test. It seems like you are a strong individual and eventually you will definitely achieve your heart's desire.

Much love to you.

Peace,
Pearly

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moonshadow
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posted August 23, 2002 04:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi All

Donna, I am feeling the urge to have children VERY strongly now. Is it because of the aspects becoming exact? Also, what do you all think about incarnating souls? Do you think there could be a soul eager to incarnate as my child and I am receiving this communication? But there is no time on that side, so can this be?

Thanks all!

Moonshadow

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Muse1
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posted August 23, 2002 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Muse1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Moonshadow

I think I am in the same situation that you are in regards to wanting to have children, even more now than before. I always wanted to have children, a love babies and children (even twins or triplets). I always had the need to have children but ever since I met my ex who had a son (which I got very attached to the kid) grew I think it was my maternal instincts. But every time I have a reading done or do the test the number of kids that come up on my hand is a lot not just 4 or 5 but more…. I have a friend who also understands astrology/ new age pretty well she said in regards to astrology Sagittarian do well with children (my sun Sign) I have Pisces in my 7th house (who also like to conceive children), but then I have both Jupiter and Venus in my 5th house and I think that must have something to do with it. I also read Linda’s relationship signs and compared some of my aspects I think I have a better understanding. But at the same time I think there must be something in the stars because I have a few friends that really want to have babies. When I had my hand read the lady told me that I will probably have a lot of children, in book that I read it says that those are the lines of the soul that picked you as their mother, I though that was so sweet. The only thing I think is that in my case I do worry a little about the pregnancy because I have a condition that is called retroverted uterus which has been giving me pain in the past few months, but I am hopeful that I will soon meet my soul mate (who will also be a wonderful father and have a lot…. of beautiful and healthy children. Have you found anything in your chart that might make you want to have children? Are you in a relationship or in love? Sometimes that would do it. Have you looked at your hand? If you haven’t read this particular book from Linda I suggest it very very much you can get your aspects from the astro.com. then compare it . That is where I put in my DOB. If you find out anything else let me know. Since I am pretty new here. Have a nice weekend.
Muse 1

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moonshadow
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posted August 23, 2002 09:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Muse

I also have an inverted uterus as well as a condition called PCOS. This causes fertility problems and might be the reason that I am growing impatient. I am not very familiar with palmistry but it sounds interesting!

Have a marvelous weekend!
Moonshadow

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posted August 23, 2002 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Muse1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Moonshadow
I actually think that there might be something also in the stars some of my friends want to have children. Have you ever analyze your hand or the lines on the side under the pinky (mercury) finger. Did you check if there is anything in your chart? Have a nice weekend
Muse 1

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Muse1
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posted August 29, 2002 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Muse1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Moonshadow
I just wanted to recommend you read this book I think is called women’s body “women’s health”. The author is a very very very she is a good doctor who deals with women issues, and she deals with it also from a spiritual side, mind/body. The book is really an eye opening. She has an article on this site: www.alabe.com/text/northrup.html & also there is another one site you might want to check out www.niravi.com .You might want to check it out both sites when you have time. I am sorry I didn’t provide this info before.
Have A Good Day
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Muse1
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posted October 04, 2002 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Muse1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Donna,
I understand that the 5th house indicates the first child, right? but do you know how many children one could have? I know in one if Linda's book she mentions posible twins dependeny on the aspects between two people,and gemini in the chart, but is there anything else that gives away? .....
Muse1
Pd: I understand you are a busy lady so reply when you have time. Take Care.

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Randall
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posted December 08, 2002 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted April 22, 2008 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure about the effectiveness of this technique. Out of a small sample based on my family, this worked for 2 people and didn't work for 6 others.

I didn't include the angles or nodes or aspects that would apply before changing sign but not currently in orb. It wouldn't improve the success rate on this particular sample base, I don't know if other Lindalanders would generally include the angles and nodes in this kind of consideration.

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seveneieghtorange
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posted April 23, 2008 04:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,
I have saturn, pluto and my moon all in scorpio and all in the 5th house. Im 23 and Im having a baby this june...where does the delay of saturn in the 5th from my natal chart come in?? Also, this pregnancy was most definitely unplanned. When I first found out I was having a baby (I am in no way maternal and I have never planned of having children in this lifetime. I was raised in household where there was so much emotional issues that to raise a child in an environment would be ridiculous. I could never make someone go through what I had to go through) I wanted to initially give it up and have an abortion...But I just couldnt do it, I couldnt see myself do that to a person that I created. The reasons I would want to get rid of it were purely selfish.

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GeminiLover75
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posted April 23, 2008 04:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, good luck in conceiving!

Interesting because I'm more seriously thinking about having children too. Like maybe getting serious about it later this year. I've wanted kids for a long time but now part of me is slightly freaked out by it. o.o lol. I wonder what transit is going on to indicate all these people wanting kids.

So if planets in the 5th stand for the first child, mine is represented by Sun, Mercury and Jupiter. And does Chiron count? Also I have Aries on the cusp of the 5th house, and my Mars trines my moon in Scorpio and Saturn in Cancer. It also squares Venus and Neptune. I don't think there are many applying aspects though because I've looked at it before (can't remember how I worked it out now) and I don't recall finding many.

I also have to wonder if being so late having children (I'm 33) is represented by my Saturn in Cancer??

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posted February 05, 2013 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kayteeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have 5 applying aspects to the ruler of my 5th house , atleast I think these are applying aspect I am still learning new things everyday about natal and synastry charts ?

Mars sextile Neptune orb +2°23'
Mars trine Pluto orb +4°54'
Venus sextile Mars orb +3°53'

Mars square Jupiter orb +6°28'
Mars square Uranus orb +6°51'
I am done having kids .So would the 2 extra aspects be the miscarriages or stepchildren?

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posted February 06, 2013 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JoJo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weird. I won't go into details, but I will say this worked for me.

I checked several charts of people I know who have children and won't have any more, and it was accurate 90% of the time.

Following the theory, my oldest son should have three children and my youngest son, two.

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posted February 08, 2013 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my 5th house I just have Uranus there, so I am guessing my first child will have Aqua qualities? This should be interesting to find out, a child that is out of the ordinary lol.

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posted February 26, 2013 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus as my 5th house ruler as well, but a large part of the sign is Pisces, so I wonder if I should check out Neptune too?

My Uranus makes an applying aspect to Venus and one to Saturn. So I guess that'd be two very different children.

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posted March 28, 2013 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Donna:
Hi Moonshadow,

Well, children are promised in the natal chart by the number of applying aspects made to the ruler of the 5th. Since you have Gemini on the 5th, Mercury has two applying aspects, a trine from the Moon and a sextile from Pluto.

Any planet in the 5th usually just describes the first child. So, Saturn being there indicates a chld with Capricorn qualities. And possibly the delay in having that child until the time is right.

Donna


That doesn't work for me. I have 6 aspects to my sun and only 3 children. But pluto in my 5th does, indeed, describe my oldest son who has Scorpio rising.


Oh! Never mind. I see the keyword APPLYING... yes I have 3 and the 4th is like 10 degrees away so might be my miscarriage.

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posted March 28, 2013 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Donna:
Hi Moonshadow,

Well, children are promised in the natal chart by the number of applying aspects made to the ruler of the 5th. Since you have Gemini on the 5th, Mercury has two applying aspects, a trine from the Moon and a sextile from Pluto.

Any planet in the 5th usually just describes the first child. So, Saturn being there indicates a chld with Capricorn qualities. And possibly the delay in having that child until the time is right.

Donna


Donna... you just helped me rectify a chart for the first time! My DIL had her first baby at 38 and she will be an only child... I figure she must have Saturn in her 5th and I placed it here and it gives her Pisces ASC and everything seems to fit perfectly.

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posted March 30, 2013 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverFeather     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn on the cusp on my fifth. Does that mean delay in pregnancy ?
Saturn has three applying aspects to Pluto, Mars and Moon.
do applying aspects to MC count ?

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posted March 30, 2013 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverFeather     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn on the cusp on my fifth. Does that mean delay in pregnancy ?
Saturn has three applying aspects to Pluto, Mars and Moon.
do applying aspects to MC count ?

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