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Pisceanfishgirl
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posted August 25, 2002 10:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am so confused. Vedic says I am aquarius, libra ascendant Scorp moon, but good old western says I am Pisces (march7) with a Sagg moon, and libra ascendant. Well, at least the libra ascendant is consistent!!! Please let me know what Linda thought about Vedic, and anyone else who has good opinions!!
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double_aquarius
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posted August 26, 2002 01:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vedic is confusing for me too, so I probably can't help u too much, but from my understanding, Vedic astrology takes in to account a certain wobble of the earth or sun or planets or something, and/or the fact that the seasons start a little later each year or something. I don't know if one or the other is more accurate, but I've noticed that Vedic interpretations of the same signs in Western Astrology, seem to be a little different, and are *similar* to the western descriptions of other signs. To give an example of what I'm trying to say, I have sun and moon in aquarius in western and sun and moon in capricorn in Vedic. I found the descriptions *similar*, at least more similar than the western description of Capricorn, if that made ANY sense. It's almost like an aquarius in Vedic, even if still an aquarius in Western, will sound pretty different, and maybe in Vedic the description will sound similar to another sign. Geez this is not much help. I really hope you get some good replies because I would like to know more about the difference and also whether or not people think one or the other has more validity or is more accurate. Babble, babble, babble.
MM

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shruti
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posted October 12, 2002 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shruti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrology as we know is a science of reading the destiny based on the movement of planets.
The complete predictive mechanism in vedic astrolgy is based on your Moon Sign and NOT your Sun Sign. The Moon changes its Zodiac sign in 2¼ - 2½days compared to Sun which is stationary in a sign for 30 day. Therefore for every "12" changes in a YEAR for the SUN, the MOON changes nearly "146" times, resulting in greater accuracy in prediction.

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Donna
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posted October 13, 2002 12:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pisceanfishgirl,

What you are confused about is the Tropical Zodiac compared to the Sidereal Zodiac.

Basically 'sidereal zodiac' can be interpreted as 'star zodiac'; and 'tropical zodiac' can be translated to 'symbolic zodiac'.

Sidereal astrology is the older astrology and is based on where the constellations are physically located when viewed from earth. This system is now mainly used by Hindu and oriental astrologers and was used early on in astrological history by all astrologers.

Most people do not know that because of various planetary influences and other technical considerations that the tropical zodiac is now no longer in the same position as the sidereal one (this is technically known as the precession of the equinoxes.

Basically the sidereal (or star) zodiac is based on the constellations as they are, whereas the tropical (or symbolic) zodiac uses the constellation positions as they used to be. This means that if a chart was drawn up for both of these systems using exactly the same birth information, that the planets would be in different positions (at the moment there is approximately 24 degrees difference between the two zodiacs). The tropical zodiac moves extremely slowly about 25,000 years to return to its original beginning point!

Here are a couple of links explaining both.
http://www.astrologyworldonline.com/Sidvstrop1.htm
http://beka1250.tripod.com/aquariangurlzastrology/id8.html

Donna

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Lost Leo
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posted October 14, 2002 12:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Donna:
Thank you for clearing this up, but I'm still a little confused...
I had met another astrologer and she made me feel like an amateur by describing the faults in the Western system, and the truths of her Eastern (Indian) system.
Is it safe to say that generally the difference is simply a small change of the dates?
Are the planetary influences different?

Pisceanfishgirl, you read my mind, I had been hoping for someone to start a string on this topic to clear up my confusion.

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morgana
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posted February 06, 2003 07:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm pulling this to the top because I'm also confused about Vedic vs. Western astrology, hoping that someone will shed more light on this subject.

If you're one sign in Western, and another one in Vedic astrology, does that mean that the interpretation for these two signs is the same?

Somehow I don't see myself as a Gemini, however hard I try...

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Carlo
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posted February 06, 2003 10:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Lost Leo
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posted February 06, 2003 11:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jeez Carlo, tell us how you really feel...

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Carlo
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posted February 06, 2003 11:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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morgana
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posted February 06, 2003 11:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your opinion, Carlo.

I'm also very hung up on Western astrology and I just can't imagine that it would be "wrong" in comparison to Vedic astrology. But somehow I know there must be more to this and that it's not a matter of rights and wrongs, it's just that they're different in some way (wish I knew what). Since I know nothing about Vedic astrology, I'm stilly open-minded to explanations as to how exactly they are different. But nobody has given me a valid explanation yet.
And I still don't know how I can be a Gemini in Vedic

That simply doesn't make sense to me.

Hi, Lost Leo!

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StarLover33
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posted February 06, 2003 08:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vedic annoys the crap out of me too.

There both going to have the same meanings anyway, so neither one is better then the other, but western astrology has flowed much easier with me.

I think the real flaw in Western Astrology comes from our house system (the wheel itself). I've always had a feeling they were flawed. I feel that they give only pieces and fragments which don't satisfy anyone.

However, Western Astrology, is far more greater in geometrical interpretation.

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theFajita
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posted February 06, 2003 09:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am Aquarius there is no doubt about that...maybe vedic is wrong and it wobbled back to normal now

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samarthrao
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posted February 07, 2003 12:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OM TAT SAT

Hello forum,

Pisceanfishgirl

--- Will give answers to your doubts.

double_aquarius


--- U have attempted . Will get back

shruti


---- GOOD.


Donna


---- Very good. Thanks for enlightening the forum


Lost Leo


----- WIll give answers in a few days.


morgana


----- I have seen your chart. Your sun sign isnt Gemini firstly. There are a lot of signs in VEDIC astrology .... we have nearly 108 types of charts of planetary arrangements in our system.. What I mentioned was ATMAKARAKA in Gemini -- that doesnt mean Sun sign is Gemini OK?
Your sun sign isnt gemini .. I will lool into your chart again sometime later and tell you your sun sign, moon sign, star sign, Etc
Please for heavens sake dont get confused or misInterpret things...


Carlo

----- " In all my years as a student of astrology and an astrologer, my opinion is still this:
VEDIC SUCKS "
Well I dont wana comment on this sentence -- I am 20 -- I can tolerate things.
Again my only request to you is -- Give Vedic astrology another Peek and learn it .. you will know how good it is.

morgana

----- Please learn Vedic astrology.


StarLover33


-- A way right. will give answers.


theFajita


----- May be again ... I have seen your chart.. I DOnt consider sun sign as that VERY important in anychart. I dont think so I have stated Sun sign in my predictions to you. Probably other sign .. again please dont misinterprit things...


Thanks


Regards
Samarth


OM TAT SAT

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samarthrao
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posted February 07, 2003 01:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OM TAT SAT


I would Like to narrate 2 experiences ,,


First one ---

Here in India there are more fake astrologers than true ones . But I have had the opportunities of meeting true astrologers -----
I would narate few experiences ----


Again in India we have different types of predictions in vedic astrology - one system in vedic astrology disagrees with another... But they all are so predictive in their own way....

There is a Place near Nepal ( In India) ... where astrologers keep the astrology charts and predictions ready before the Person comes!!!!!


There is a branch in vedic astrology called the NASTHA JATAKA PRASNA --- Translated from sanskrit -- means a person who has lost his birth information --- we calculate the time of his arival and chalk down his birth chart !!!! -- very accurate !!! Surprising


There are astrologers floking my fathers nursing HOME --- who come and predict the future and go.. Like the astrologer comes a week early and warns or foretells an event .. and its all so accurate..!!

If this system is treated with due respect by the world it can avert many Bad events of the world ....

And predictions regarding USA ...

Any country's future depends on its leader .. so according to pesidents BUSH chart -- he has KALASARLA Yoga -- which is Very bad. The moment he steps down America will be safe from disasters and will fly high .. or a solution -- he has to perform a HOMA -- for Kalasarpa Yoga -- thus it will do good for him and the country..

( This explains Mundane astrology)


regards
Samarth

p.s = im a lil bad at english -- am learning some vocabulary and stuff..


OM TAT SAT

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theFajita
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posted February 07, 2003 02:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Samarth I just hope you know what people were talking about in this thread had nothing to do with going against what you are studying and doing readings for us in another thread and everything. It's just odd for us to learn all of one thing and then hear a totally different story. Especially when the first story we read fits so well.

Your reading of me had many accuracies- although I only have a half brother from my father who I never met, and I have two step brothers from my mom's current husband who I am just now forming relationships. But nevertheless, I wasn't looking for errors in your reading, I was looking for what was right- and many things were right. Like about my father in those years, I love him but what he did was not cool! And you knew that- plus many other things.

Please know that no matter what kind of astrology you study we all want you here. Heck, I don't even know that much about astrology and I feel right at home

I AM interested to hear your views though on sun signs- when I read Linda-Goodman's Love Signs- and read about the Aquarius and how they deal with things and are seen, it was like she was talking about me (I know, so cliche, everyone says she talks about them.)

I am eccentric, rebellious, quirky, total and complete humanitarian and totally and completely for the brotherhood of man, for goodness sakes why can't we all just get along! I am fascinated by people and observant and will drill you to find out everything, but don't be offended when I get bored and drill someone else And I can be a bit stubborn but am pretty open minded.

I guess I just don't see how I could not be Aquarian. But that doesn't take away from the fact that you head many correct things in all your readings, which perhaps shows we both can learn from each others astrology?

I don't know Just get better from the flu.

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morgana
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posted February 07, 2003 06:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Samarthrao,
please don't be offended, this is a forum where we all speak our minds and exchange ideas and opinions.
I said already that I know nothing about Vedic astrology, and what I said was based on you telling me that my sign is Gemini in vedic astrology, so I just wanted to know what's the difference in the interpretation. Thanks for clarifying that to me.
Am I correct if I assume now, based on what you told me, that you are as many signs as there are signs that are occupied by planets in your birth chart? For example, if I have Moon in Cancer, Sun in Cancer, Saturn in Gemini, Uranus in Libra, etc., then I am Cancer, Gemini, Libra, etc.? And does that mean that you don't actually have a sign in Vedic astrology as to say I'm a Libra, for example?

I know that Vedic astrology can be very accurate, but so can Western, and I'm just interested in what the difference is. And I don't think that one is better than the other, I just don't understand the difference. And I don't understand those Indian words, and when you tell me my AMATAKARA or something like that is in Gemini, I don't understand what you're telling me, so maybe that's partly due to the confusion...

And thanks for telling me to learn Vedic astrology, but I'll learn what I want to learn and when I want to learn it.

morgana

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