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Blue M
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posted September 14, 2002 02:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know why I have so much extra energy tonight but I honestly am wired.

I have not had any coffee for a week and I cannot understand this strange high. I have never ever taken illegal drugs but my brother once told me to never do drugs because I would really be off the page.

Anyway, my I had a question regarding Saturn.

I have a Saturn in Aries and I have had astrologers explain that particular placement to me. I have been told that I have to wait for things I want and there would be many obstacles in my life.

So far this seems to be true. I am just wondering what does it feel to get something you want. I have never had that experience. Everything I have ever work for, anyone I have ever loved and any project I was ever working on I had put 200% effort into, only to get back 3% reward or no reward at all.

It is truly depressing. I mean it has been raining for about 4 years. When is a glimmer of sunshine going to shine through. All my roots are drowning and withered out.

I am basically a positive person. But the strongest tree will loose its roots and die with too much rain or if floods continue to damage it.

Does anyone know when the sunlight will show itself?

DOB May 4, 1967 07:38am Chicago, IL.

Blue M

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Foxxy
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posted September 14, 2002 03:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the weird feeling tonight is easily explained as a symptom of Mercury rx, which starts/started now.

As for the other stuff. . I'm not that good at transits and therefore can't tell ya much

Heres some *HUGGGGGGGSSSSSSS* while you wait though . .

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theFajita
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posted September 14, 2002 03:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it helps you to know, I feel the same way as you very often.

You ever noticed how when you look for something you can't see it? Like if I look in the fridge for some jam, I just don't see it. Even if it's there, I cannot find it. But when I open the fridge and am not looking for the jam at that time, I see it right away. Right in front of me. Maybe if you stop looking so hard for the sunshine, it will pop up right in front of you. Or maybe this is all stupid advice, I just want to say I care and hope things get better for you. Sometimes it seems in life like I am a big giver and everyone else just takes, takes, takes. But I suppose I am at fault as well as others?!

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Blue M
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posted September 14, 2002 06:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Foxxy, Fajita,


Thanks for the hugs. I will embraced them.

Fajita, its almost like I can't see the forest for the trees. I know what you are saying and I cannot disagree.

I already have sunshine. I have my health and all of my family members are alive. I have enough food to eat, transportation and clean air to breath. My emotions are just out of whack. But I guess you can't have everything.


Take Care

Blue M

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pearly
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posted September 14, 2002 08:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Blue M!

Gosh, I feel for you. Don't worry. Your Aries Saturn will not ruin your life! It probably seems that way though as it will make you work extra hard and will dampen enthusiasm for you sometimes. Especially in the area of friends, groups and social activities. But don't fret! With that Venus in Gemini conjunct your ascendant in the First House you are probably a supermodel who has alot of people admiring you! Really, enjoy this aspect...please, or give it to someone who will

Anyway, Saturn is touring your First House right now and that always feels resrictive and depressing on a personal level. You could be feeling blah because of this, and it is still conjunct that Venus of yours I mentioned, so I bet you are feeling less than desirable, or doubting yourself. Don't.

Your natal Saturn is not badly afflicted at all, so if anything, I feel like what it teaches you will be more rewarding than not. There is a small affliction with Neptune in your House of Work and Health, but totally minor on the whole and if anything it will be more "in your head" than a reality.

You have an awesome placement for lucky Jupiter... in your second house of Money and Possessions, and it is part of a Grand Trine between your 2nd, 6th and 10th houses... all good for whatever your ambitions are, and those may even be creative endeavors.

Sun and Mars are transitng your 4th House of Home and Family, conjuncting Uranus and Pluto. They are all messing around there right now with each other... maybe even going to war. You could be experiencing upheaval of some sort there right now, possibly even a change of residence.

All in all, you have alot of positive, strong aspects in your chart to lean on. You will get through these feelings and be stronger for it! Still, I hope you feel better...

Peace,
Pearly

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Blue M
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posted September 20, 2002 09:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pearly,

You put a on my face. A much needed
.

Wow, you are very accurate. Everyone has always told me I should be a model. I am 5'11 and a half. I am thin and I think rather attractive. I look about 12 years younger than I truly am. Even thinks I am 23 or 25.

I have always wanted to have a career in the arts like acting, dancing and singing even though I cannot sing at all.

I am very creative with regards to writing. I write poetry like crazy and I write plays, and short stories. Last year I was trying to write my first book. I got side tracked because of the job and personal issues that were going on in my life.

My question to you is would the arts be profitable for me? or would concentrating on my writing be profitable for me?

Well, I have to get ready for work. Back to the grind.

Thanks

Blue M

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pearly
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posted September 27, 2002 12:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Blue!

Sorry for getting back a bit late, I wanted to really sit with your chart and I was just able to make the time.

Ok, so you want to know if a career in the arts would be profitable for you. From your chart, I say YES (go for it!), but you must be aware that around every corner you have a contraditory aspect waiting to trip you up more than most. As you mentioned before, you feel you seem to have to work extra hard for things you want and I see that in your chart. However, as I mentioned before, you have excellent and strong aspects in your chart to lean on, so use them and don't think about the other ones.

As I first started looking around at the potential for a writing career for you, I concentrated on the 3rd, 5th and 10th Houses. Your 3rd House (directly affecting the writing and literary pursuits) is ruled by Cancer, which basically makes you emotional and moody in your expression, you could even be subject to delaying your progress on projects based on your moods. Your Mercury is in Taurus in the 12th, and that could add more fixation and feeling of limitations, making it hard to come out of a "mood"... you may even feel like you are a slave to your moods. So keep this in mind, and when you see it happening, press forward because...

In your 5th House of Creative Expression, you have fiery, creative Mars, plus your 5th House is ruled by hard-working Virgo. Right there is an excellent blend of creativity and diligence that could bring you success in a creative endeavor. PLUS- that Mars trines your Geminian Venus (excellent placement for writing) and your Mars and Venus BOTH trine your Midhaven, showing a great blessing from these two placements directly affecting your CAREER. These two can get you where you want to go if you tune into them. Try to meditate on and connect with these placements. It will help you use their power.

Moving along to your 6th House of work... Here you have Neptune exerting BIG influence. Some will be good, some of it will be tricky. The best part about this is that Neptune will want you to be creative in your daily work, or else you will probably be unhappy, so that works for a creative career. Neptune trines your creative Pisces Moon AND trines your lucky Jupiter. It seems you will gain money and possessions with a creative pursuit quite easily. However, this is where you may be confused, because this Neptune that wants so bad to do these creative things, is directly opposing your Sun. So in essence, it goes against your basic, natural tendencies, which want you to be practical. This Sun squares your Midhaven (career), and oddly enough, so does Neptune. They are duking it out, so to speak. This could make you feel unsure about what to do and how to proceed. The best way to deal with this would probably be to ignore it

Adding to this, is the fact that your fiery Mars (which you need to use to your benefit) is in Libra (should I? shouldn't I?) and was retrograde at birth, which dilutes the energy slightly. But Mars loves the 5th House and will support any effort in a creative direction.

You said this: "I have always wanted to have a career in the arts like acting, dancing and singing even though I cannot sing at all." ...and I am not suprised. You are a born entertainer, and have alot of creativity in you. You would be a great actress I bet. Even if you decide not to go after that in the big scheme of things, you'd still most likely enjoy doing some acting on the side. Try doing some theatre plays or extra work just for pure enjoyment.

You also said: "I am very creative with regards to writing. I write poetry like crazy and I write plays..." -I'd say plays or screenplays would be wonderful for you if you truly enjoy it. Also, TV series show writing might be fun for you. Then you mentioned: "Last year I was trying to write my first book. I got side tracked because of the job and personal issues that were going on in my life." Let me say this, this particular issue you just mentioned will be one of the main things that keep you from accomplishing your desires and dreams. Pluto and Uranus in your 4th House are square your Venus and oppose your Moon. Things relating to home, family life and domestic affairs (4th House issues) do not like to support your creative endeavors. It is not easy for you to put these things aside either, as they are strongly rooted to you and they keep the Taurus in you calmed about stability fears. It will be quite hard for you to ever separate from this part of your life that distracts you from your dreams, but when/if you do, you will see that it won't take Pluto and Uranus long to jump on the bandwagon. They will help to make powerful and sudden transformations in this area when you decide to. They love, no, CRAVE this sort of thing! Right now they are just propped there waiting in anticipation, maybe keeping you feeling locked down as they are trining your Sun under strange circumstances, but as soon as you decide to use the energy there, you will see these 2 planets SHINE in all their glory. Plus your 4th is ruled by Leo... it will be a dramatic transformation and very exciting for you.

On that note, I will say that at the moment lucky Jupiter is transiting your 3rd House. A good time to write, write, write!! And Venus is very near your Neptune which will make you extra creative. I'd say, discipline yourself to go after your dreams. Try to keeps the reins in on any emotional entanglements so you won't get sidetracked. You will be much happier for it!

Hope this helps!!


Pearl

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stella polaris
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posted September 27, 2002 02:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pearly, you're good!
Don't you think that Mercury in Taurus could also indicate a possibility for making money on communications and that the 12th house position can show that Blue should use her emotions doing so? (Write with feelings!) Also, 12th house is the house of film, writing screenplays for film would be good, Neptun rules film and Blue has a strong Neptun in her chart.
As for the Neptun-Sun aspects: Carl Jung is a brilliant exampel of a person with a stressful Sun-Neptun aspect who just turned it into something positive, using dreams in his career.
Good luck, Blue! You seem to have a great potential!

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pearly
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posted September 27, 2002 02:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stella!

quote:
Don't you think that Mercury in Taurus could also indicate a possibility for making money on communications and that the 12th house position can show that Blue should use her emotions doing so? (Write with feelings!) Also, 12th house is the house of film, writing screenplays for film would be good, Neptun rules film and Blue has a strong Neptun in her chart.

Yes, yes, yes! I agree!



Pearl

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stella polaris
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posted September 28, 2002 02:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just read that Madonna is supposed to have her Mercur in the 12th house. (In Virgo)

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pearly
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posted September 28, 2002 03:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stella!

That is very interesting, I mean you can just SEE the Merc in Virgo in Madonna! Very calculated, perfectionist and hard working. Crazy how that works.

I tend to like how Mercury presents itself in Taurus and Virgo, but I feel like the 12th House is a slightly difficult vibration for Mercury. Although, as you mentioned, if it is for use with creative expression, it can serve well. To me, the 12th House is very deep and a person who has Mercury there may be very complex, so I believe has to watch that they stay positive with it. What do you think?


Pearl

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stella polaris
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posted September 29, 2002 11:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I agree. I guess a person with 12th house Mercur can drown herself in her own negative thoughts, sort of. But the 12th house is also the house of healing so she should be able to heal herself just thinking...Anyway, I guess it's the same with all the placements: You have to draw the positive energy and not get drowned by the negative influence..

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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted September 29, 2002 11:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello my sweet friend M,

How are you? Haven't heard from you in a few days... heehee
Wow, the ladies here who are giving you insight are great! I am enjoying reading what they post. It is inspiring to learn about this particular subject and what planets effect those skills. We both have writing, as well as other stuff in common, so it's quite interesting to me to see what they pull for you.
M, I didn't realize that you've never gotten anything you wanted. You posed the question, "What does it feel like to get something you want?" Hmmm...
It makes me want to rewind your life and cue in on those forgotten moments that you did, in fact get what you wanted. :P
Presently, you don't remember. It's funny how you've programed that into your subconscious. What you recall as never having received what you want, is all an illusion of not getting something substantial, when in all actuality, you continue to receive what you want on a daily basis M. It may not be recognized, simply because of it's lower level of importance to you. Do you follow me? For instance, when you walk into a store to shop, do you not get what you want? When you place an order for dinner at a restaurant, do you not get what you want? Get the idea about level of importance? ;-) Now, that your aware of this little insight, you don't have to ever feel cheated in not getting your needs met.
Professionally speaking, if I may make a suggestion to you, it would be to set up a small, easy to accomplish goal. Make it ridiculously achievable. When you do achieve that goal, you will then Consciously KNOW what it feels like to get something you want!
By doing that, you are also setting up that mental process that will automatically engage and continue to support you, as you set those simple goals first, and accomplish them one by one, step by step.

*To be Continued...

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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted September 29, 2002 11:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On to the subject of writing...

The girls are giving you great advice and shedding a little light on the effects of your placements as well as the emotional "stop and go" patterns that dictate your moods.
My belief is that anything you set your mind to do is achievable. The problem could be in your belief system M. Change that system all together to make it work for you. You can do it!
If you experience moments of intense writing and then moments of being stuck, it's OKAY!
I personally know some well known, established writer's who get writer's block.
Don't let a simple little thing like that defeat you. Sometimes a Writer NEEDS to stop and reflect on the subject more in order to project best what he truly feels in order to get the point across. Consider it a LUCKY break! (heehee) Besides, the reader's will definitely appreciate it later.
If, in the process you should become moody to the point of doubting yourself or feeling lack of motivation, fear Not! There is ALWAYS a solution. (All of my life, people have told me that I have an answer for everything)
So, the answer, in addition to what I've previously stated, would be, to NOT be defeated in your pursuit of becoming a Writer.
You may very well be the type who work BEST with another Writer.
That other person may be the KEY in giving you the extra push you need in order to motivate you, allow more creative flow and getting the project going. There is always a solution M.

Let me know how things are going. Perhaps I can assist you further...

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theFajita
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posted September 30, 2002 12:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Blue M,

How are you feeling lately. I do know what you go thru. At the risk of being scorned by everyone here, I am going to tell you something. I take lithium. My blood lacks it, and when I don't take it, I get very very high highs, and very very very low lows. Sometimes I don't want to take it, but I see it is better when I take it. Much better. Then there is actually life behind my smile, instead of great sadness. Then I see the wonderful things in my life, rather than think I do not deserve them.

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Blue M
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posted October 04, 2002 01:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pearly,

What can I say? You have truly made my year. No you have made my life. I feel extremly hopeful. I knew I was not having those writing and creative expression ugrges for nothing. Now the
are really going off in my head and heart.

I never had anyone tell me I had control over certain planet placements by meditating and connecting with these placements. I thought astrology was a done deal and I had to cope with what the planets gave me. I am thrilled I can actually affect a positive change and fire up my career.

As far as being an actress everyone keeps telling me I do inpressions to the T. I make people laugh even when I am not trying to.

Oh my God I my 4th house is ruled by Leo and I will have a dramatic transformation. I cannot wait. I truly need a dramatic transformation. A little voice kept telling me to put the emotional life on the back burner and just write and act.

Thanks again Pearly your post more than just helps it saves my sanity. flashing:

Pearly, you posting makes me want to dance and celebrate.

Thanks again,

Blue M

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I was hibernating for awhile. I regained some of my strength and now I am back.

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Blue M
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posted October 04, 2002 03:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VenusWarriorPrincess,

I have a few things to say to you but in the meantime this will have to do. You have truly been an

You have kept me from going

Your advice is worth more than any amount of
Your words are
to my ears.

Your email has helped me
and now I must go.....I will return soon

Blue M


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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted October 04, 2002 12:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blue M,

So glad to hear I've helped you, as well as helped you to sleep better. I look forward to hearing MORE good things.

Funny, your post above had me laughing. It looks as if my emails made you fall asleep because they were BORING! Too Funny!

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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted October 12, 2002 05:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Blue M!
What's going on? Haven't seen you in a while. Have you been

Hope your Well and Happy!

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Blue M
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posted October 14, 2002 11:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus,

I have missed you. I have been depressed. I have not turned on my computer for about a week. When I am depressed I like to escape and build up strength. When I feel strong again I come back out.

My dad is in town so I am very, very happy. He rejuvenates me to no end. Every day I love to get a dose of his wisdom.

I have just been pondering the meaning of life and why are we here. There are so many cruel people I just wonder why.

Anyway, Ms. Venus, what have you been up to? How has life been treating you? Do you have any inspiring stories? Your stories truly do inspire me.

Talk to you later,

Blue M

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Nebel
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posted October 15, 2002 03:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
G'Day Blue M

I hope everything is looking up for you at the moment? Here is some love to help you through the day...

I don't know if it has something to do with us being born on the same day (May 4th), but I often feel like how you explain you are feeling...

Just remember: "There is no such thing as bad weather"!
How true!

Keep your chin up mate
Love and light
Nebel

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Effort + Patience = Reward :)

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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted October 15, 2002 05:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Angel,

I miss you too! I'll write you a wonderful story and send it to you in email okay?
Be patient with the cruel types. Their stupidity rules their motivations and actions.
Pray for them, but detach from their negativity. You can do it M!
Sending you a BIG, warm hug!

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Blue M
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posted October 15, 2002 02:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nebel,

Thanks for the . You know I have to send right back to you.

I am having a better day today. Thanks for asking. Your birthday is May 4th. I can bet you are a giving person. I think the actress who played in Breakfast at Tiffany's, Audrey Hepburn(?) birthday was May 4th. I am not for certain so don't quote me. But she was a very giving person. She gave to many charities and did major work for world hunger.

I was just curious, Nebel was sign is your moon in?

What do you mean there is no such thing as bad wheather?

Blue M

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Blue M
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posted October 15, 2002 02:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

OK Venus tell me about this detachment. You have mentioned becoming detached or not being attached to someone's negativity. How do I go about doing this? Some things are easy said than done.

How do you get to that state where you are unattached to your feelings or the way people are treating you? I honestly want to learn.

I will email more for details.

Love,

Blue M

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VenusWarriorPrincess
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posted October 16, 2002 05:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
M baby!

It's very easy! Just ACT like an air sign! Just kidding!

I'll explain it all to you later in email when I find some time to write.
It's a busy week... Whew! B-Day on Friday as well.

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