posted October 12, 2002 07:13 PM              

My question: What effects does this Neptune have on me? Is this a bad aspect? Is this why I am prone to alot of daydreaming and not alot of action to put my dreams into reality? What effect does Neptune have on my 2nd house? (Even though I'm a Taurus, I don't put alot of emphasis on the acquiring of money, but I'm not strapped either.)

posted October 13, 2002 10:43 AM              

-The fact that it shows in your chart means you cannot fully escape this possibility. It's a karmic debt that you must and should pay for the sake of your spiritual growth. But you do have the free will of making it as less hurtful as possible. If this does happen try to be as forgiving and understanding so that your karmic debt will be paid intact.

-Hope this helps!

posted October 14, 2002 11:04 PM              

Tuesday, Edgar Cayce had the conjuction between moon-neptune and that increased his mystical union and his ability to communicate with all humanity, and this is even more so if you have the ascendant-uranus conjuction.

posted October 15, 2002 06:46 PM              

About my home life, I will keep it as simple as I can. It's been a rough one. Mother with social phobia (she is SUCH a 12th house person) - never leaves the house or talks to anyone outside her family. She is Aquarius but I don't know her birth time. I'm guessing Pisces rising. Father is a dominating, controlling Scorpio (moon in Libra helps that sometimes). With that fixed square there is certainly a lot of tension, and they argue/disagree constantly. My older half-brother (mom's son) was abusive to me but I finally was able to get in touch with friends and the police and the situation came to an end. Unfortunately I am still not comfortable speaking to him - there was a great deal of verbal abuse, more than physical. He is a Cancer with Aquarius moon and just clings to his mother. They are very dependent on each other, it is extreme. It's also frustrating because they don't see how unhealthy it is. My mother tries to shelter me and hold on to me the way she does with her son but I hate it. He loves it. I always felt like the odd one out here, but I am happy to be different. Father is also overprotective and mistrustful - he nailed a fence to my bedroom window! Fortunately I am overly cautious and disciplined (capricorn moon?), not the sneak-out-and-party type girl. I would probably get caught anyway!

I wonder constantly about my previous experiences, karma, and what could have happened back then that made me choose this life now. And my lessons.

posted October 16, 2002 01:20 PM            

Is it Karma or is it that your parents fear you or for you? I think it is more of the latter. You have decided to go your own way in thought and in deed, which counters what they want you to do and think.

It seems that your parents have built their own protective little castle and you are the princess in the tower that wants out. They can sense that you want to break free even if you are saying or acting is if that it your true motive. A common Gemini trait is to be FREE and unfettered, like me the Sag, but I am more inclined to family than a Gemini is.

I was also brought up in a religious family, Lutheran, and my father is Catholic (There is also a strong "pagan" influence as my father is Apache and mom's Cherokee grandma who was a "reader"). I have always been interested in spirituality and loved learning about different religions and philisophies. I consider Astrology to not only be a science, but an emotional one that gives us insight into our strengths, weaknesses and pattern of behaviour. I am also scientific having majored in Biology and Chemistry. Don't be ashamed at what you question or what to believe in, choose what you feel is in your heart.

I still have so many questions (Saggi coming out), but I am not afraid to ask them, even though some people get a bit offended (I questioned the whole birth time and rising sign / house placement a while back ).

I am sorry that you have had such a traumatic childhood and there is nothing worse that being a prisoner in your own home. I am now 32 and my mother was pretty darn religious and strict. She finally told me that she felt so awful for not trusting me and "fencing me in" when she knew all I wanted to do was run free. But you, she was right in her own way. My friends from back then did not fare so well. If you ever need to talk, you can e-mail me anytime. I think it's listed if not, just post and I will give it to you.

Take Care,

Pidaua

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"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world--and never will."

posted October 19, 2002 07:40 PM              

My birth data:
June 4, 1985
3:00 PM (B.C. time but not exact - I wasn't born in the hospital!)
Wichita, KS

I had a friend who was in a similar situation, very controlling mother, much worse than mine, also would beat her and lie to the police, lock all the phones in the house in one room, secretly tape our phone convos, etc. Excessively controlling, down to every detail. We belong to the same church. (I'm not trying to make all J.W.s sound evil, these are just the bad examples) Sadly she went down the self-destructive path - promiscuity, drinking and drugs. I am now not allowed to talk to her - her mother considers me a bad influence (astrology, my beliefs, open-mindedness, sometimes I cuss like a sailor, etc.). I have not heard from her in months. She is Sagittarius with Cancer moon and Pisces rising. I could definitely see the urge to be free, and optimism, but also the clinginess, self-deception, fantasy, naiveness...

posted January 20, 2009 01:09 AM            

Chiron and Neptune
Neptune rules dreams, imagination, and intuition. On the negative side, it shows where we try to avoid any reality that we find unpleasant. Sometimes this can manifest as a rejection of anything "mystical." Or the other extreme could come out and produce someone who can't make a move without consulting a psychic. The intuitive powers may feel blocked. Conversely, they may be active with a vengeance and constantly contradict the "logical" conclusions that are reached. Chiron/Neptune could make for someone who constantly "malingers" and avoids all unpleasant situations (anything requiring work or contact with reality). The alternative is a person who is hard working, "responsible" in a very conventional way, and suppresses their imaginative-creative side. Then, all of a sudden, they become an alcoholic, drug addict, or have a mental breakdown of some sort. They could also fall in "love" with someone who has these problems (or who is a con artist) and get completely drained, even ruined. A perfect example of this comes from the world of literature: the professor that Marlene Dietrich's character ruined in "The Blue Angel." The way to deal with Chiron/Neptune is to strike a balance, to let the Neptune genie out of the bottle in a constructive way, to give vent to the sympathy and imagination without giving up reality. If you've been repressing the Neptune, take a class in art (or better yet, dance). Do some volunteer charity work. If you happen to be the malingering type of Chiron/Neptune, your cover is blown. The malingering is not the real problem. It is the smokescreen you put up to hide your real problems. Wake up and deal with them

Jupiter opposition Neptune
The opposition has several similarities to the square, but here the source of 'contention' is projected externally onto the outer world and people. There is the difficulty of 'follow-through', where intentions and plans are often thwarted by an inability to actually realise them, despite your original aims; things are started but never completed in any satisfying way. You tend to resent and resits any external pressure that can be placed on you by others' expectations of your performance and abilities.

Conflicts often arise in interpersonal relationships, especially with other work colleagues, who may attempt to take advantage of your skills or persuade you to take on responsibilities which may be thankless tasks, or in which for reasons of their own advantage they expect you to fail. There is often a lot of manipulative activity in work places, and you can become a victim of this if you are not aware of the hidden motivations of others. You can become paranoid and suspicious of people, perhaps as a result of previous experience, and there is often a kernel of truth and validity there; yet equally, part of this is a projection emanating from you based on the tensions inherent within this opposition. You tend to either oppose or antagonise others, sometimes by being too direct in your comments and attitudes; there is little social diplomacy in your style of expression, and sometimes you can be very tactless and too adversarial.
There can be a blind spot in your character that is often unrecognised, and is related to the sign and house positions of Jupiter and Neptune. Whilst you may fail to fully comprehend your own nature and what you 'should be doing', you still express yourself forcefully and with a tendency to be authoritarian. Yet you also often challenge the dictates of those in positions of authority, questioning their perceptions and rights to wield power. There is less of a social awareness and conscience here with this aspect, as most of the energy is tied up in an external uneasiness; you do not have any great trust in the good nature of others, which, whilst possibly more realistic, is also symptomatic of your own inner fragmentation and stress - you cannot relax and trust yourself either. You need to learn how to accept others as well as accepting yourself; the two are intertwined, and if you can manage this then stress will be diminished and all your relationships will improve as you correspondingly feel more at ease in your own nature.

Intimate relationships can pose difficulties until the step of personal integration and resolution is taken. Your choices of partners may be unwise, especially where those anima-animus projectsion are superimposed on the partner, apparently turning them into the ideal lover who posesses everything that you believe you desire and need. When these projections collapse, you are liable to be emotionally distraught and see that person as another one who has deceived you; in fact, it may have been your own illusions that have been self-deceptive, and so the consequences of a hurt heart should not be taken out on your partner in any emotional or physical aggression. Resorting to the Neptuneian addictions of drugs or alcohol must be avoided at such traumatic times.

Some form of religious or spiritual life and aspiration is likely, yet this too can suffer from some distortion and invalid projections. Your spiritual attitudes may lack a practical dimension, or even a serious application by yourself in everyday life. There can be a greater attraction toward the glamours of more exotic religions, which offer a colourful fascination and mystery that appeals. Cultism and an idealised surrender to gurus can be a temptation, despite your resistance to forms of authority, and can seem to offer a way out from the disappointments and stresses of your life. Alternatively, you may dream of foreign travel or pilgrimages across the world as an antidote to the lifestyle you feel trapped within.