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Quinnie
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posted November 30, 2002 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering if anyone could answer a question for me...
My sis does long-distance competitive running... 10 km races and she is currently going through a rough time at the minute and thinking about giving it up.
She really wants to keep going, it's been her dream to make it to the Commonwealth games but she can't seem to motivate herself at the minute and she is very depressed about it.
Can anyone tell me what are sport configurations in a natal chart, and how I can encourage her to keep going because she does have so much talent but can really put herself down alot.
Can you look at her chart for me... Please and see what you think I'd be so grateful.
Thank u.
Her details are...
26th December 1978
18:53 Belfast, Northern Ireland

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Carlo
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posted November 30, 2002 09:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Quinnie,

It is likely that the issue is that transiting Pluto is conjunct her natal Neptune, and squaring her natal Saturn Retrograde, yet this second transit is minor compared to the first. Noted astrologer Rob Hand, in his popular book Planets in Transit, has this to say of the first transit...

This transit signifies a period of very deep inward transformation that will be reflected in changed ideals, goals and other aspects of your world view. You may also work harder than ever to bring about in reality an ideal that you have held for years; however, you will have to give up a great deal to accomplish this, and you will not receive much ego-reinforcement at this time, even if you are successful.

You will find it necessary to question very deeply many beliefs you have held as a matter of course all your life. You may become disoriented as you discover that you have been living under illusions. But at least you will not be alone, for this is one of the transits that affects everyone in one age group at about the same time. In fact, the need to change your ideals may come through your own peer group. It would be a good idea to discuss this with someone who is much older or younger who is not suffering the effects of this transit, in order to get a better perspective on what is happening to you. If you begin psychotherapy now, which is quite possible, you should not choose a therapist of your own age. (Carlo: I would add that she is likely hearing similar feelings from her friends, and may say this to you, as in "Well, Ciara quit school, and Liam just quit his job...", so likely her friends and peers are doing similar. She is simply reacting as many kids the world over are reacting to this particular transit)

Hand goes on: "Many elements of your life - relationships, job situations, places - may pass away now, but this is only a reflection of the profound changes taking place within you. After this transit is over you may find it hard to recognize the person you were before. Whatever you chose to do, it would be a good idea to study a subject that will give you greater understanding about your life. Astrology, the occult, metaphysics or even depth psychology might serve this purpose (Carlo: in other words, Neptunian things). But don't get lost in abstractions. Make sure that what you learn has real consequences in your everyday life, because you have great needs there that should be met. Also your studies should give you very deep understanding. Nothing superficial would help you at this time."

I am not going to type the whole explanation of Pluto Square Saturn, yet I will provide some of the phrases and keywords that he uses in his description of this transit...

"withstand severe challenges to your way of life as it is set up now...

the dynamics for change...

forces that seem to push against you...

enormous expenditure of energy...

strive forward and reach new heights...

The best course, which you will be least inclined to take, is to openly and honestly examine all aspects of your life and voluntarily give up whatever you don't really need - those things that make you feel secure but do not aid your personal evolution. If you don't do this voluntarily, circumstances will do it for you...(Carlo: in other words, Pluto on her Neptune now for much longer will see to it for sure, if she doesn't do it under the shorter Saturn transit)

It doesn't have to be a fruitless struggle, unless you try to hold on blindly to everything as it is now."

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So...help her to let go, as she sees fit, to those things that she choses to let go, and avoid entirely any encouragement for her to keep things the way they are. Intuitively, she knows what needs to go...so you have to help her facilitate a feeling of being comfortable enough to do so. She is a Cappy, she'll come out just fine...yet help her create an atmosphere conducive to letting go and allowing the changes to manifest, and you will serve her better than you may possibly imagine right now.

Saturn will be done with her this Winter, like end of February. The first transit, however, Pluto Square Neptune, is the most potent and significant, and will go on throughout 2003 for her too...Pluto goes retrograde in March at 19° Sag, crosses over 18° Sag (her natal Neptune is 18° Sag) all Summer, then goes Direct at 17° Sag in August, to make its final pass over 18° Sag next Fall...she should feel it disperse by next Christmas or so. So she has a year to sort things out, let go what she needs to let go, and you can help her do this, since now you know how

Bright Blessings,
Carlo

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Oxychick
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posted November 30, 2002 11:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Carlo, extremely impressive! You earth signs...

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Randall
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posted December 01, 2002 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW! Great insight, Carlo!

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Quinnie
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posted December 01, 2002 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carlo Thank u so much for your answer... I looked at her natal neptune/pluto transit and it opened so much of her chart up to me. Fr the past 2 years she has suffered with knee and back injuries and I believe the start of those injuries go right back triggered from her saturn seven cycle when saturn in Gemini in the 11th house squared saturn in virgo in 2nd house. This to me showed up how her self-worth,diet ideals and body structure were all going through complete saturn seven style re-structuring. This I believe expresses through body/mind and soul... The soul change meaning that her thoughts and feelings had to change also and this was a struggle for her, because hse can have quite an inflexible nature. Because she struggledwith a soul change and with changing her mind about her ideals (11th house) and feelings of self-worth (2nd house) it manifested in her body as knee injuries ( knees ruled by saturn).
I told her that her body is a newly refurbished one and some painful 'growing pains' were happening for her.
Then this transit pltuo conjoining natal neptune made more sense to me. It carried on from the saturn seven cycle theme of ideals and self -worth ... because the conjunction also squared her natal saturn,the transit now represented dissolving the illusions of her childhood self-worth, ideals and home securities, mother ( in her chart pluto rules the 4th house) and starting again by planning new goals with reall definable structure that she could achieve because until this time she really has been afraid of racing feeling she wasn't good enough or didn't deserve to win. I said to her until u set yourself a new plan to go with your new ideals of body/mind and soul you will always feel like a failiure no matter how successful u are, u need to let go of those secret dreams u have that are no longer useful to u anymore.
So I think with u're help Carlo we might finally be getting somewhere as it has been going on for years, some of it her whole life.
Thanks again.

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posted December 01, 2002 04:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to Carlo from someone lurking on this thread; that makes a lot of sense on my end (and on the end of a buncha people that I know round about my age or a bit older), too (since I more or less have the same Neptune placement as Quinnie's sis - mine's @ 22'38'' - so I guess I wouldn't be feeling the affect quite so strongly, right? Geez, if that's so, what Q's sis is going through must be really interesting).

I feel odd just kinda inserting myself into this thread (although it's never stopped me b/f...lol), but I really, I dunno, just wanted to thank you since I'm not near the point of concerning myself w/ the study of transits, but see that there is definate benefit to the info garnered

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Quinnie
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posted December 01, 2002 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Proxieme I got alot of info on the neptune pluto transit in an astrology book by Lyn Birkberk.. the do it yourself Life plan astrology... He writes about the major generational transits Moon progressions, saturn, uranus, neptune and pluto and they provide loads of info into life progression through astrology, takes u through stage by stage of infancy, childhood, teenage to adulthood and what they all mean and he gives examples of what happened to famous people around this time.
But if u can personalise it through your own natal chart u can work out exactly what areas of your life is affected like for example pluto transits transform, neptune dissolves and transcends, uranus awakens and shocks, saturn structures and teaches.
When they hit personal planets u feel it perosonally and whatever houses in the chart they aspect tells u where in your life it is personalised.
It's quite cool actually, very interesting I think.
keep lurking babez.

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