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Topic: What star sign was Hitler
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Divine
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posted December 20, 2002 08:20 AM
 
It is something that I have always wondered. He certainly had great power and an amazing ability to influence people. Can any one help me out here?
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Robert
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posted December 20, 2002 08:48 AM
Hello Divine,Hitler's sun is on 0°47' taurus. Chart-dates:
1889, Aprile 20, 17.45 LMT, Braunau/ Austria
(9°04'E/ 47°30'N). Robert IP: Logged |
Aselzion
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posted December 20, 2002 08:53 AM
Greetings...Hitler was born on 4/20/1889 at 6:30 pm LMT in Branau am Inn, Austria: 48N15 13E02 Ascendant: 26 Libra
MidHeaven: 4 Leo
Sun: Taurus
Moon: Capricorn
Mercury: Aries
Venus: Taurus
Mars: Taurus
Jupiter: Capricorn
Saturn: Leo
Uranus: Libra
Neptune: Gemini
Pluto: Gemini Hitler's chart is interesting because at first glance he might appear to be a man of Peace.. which he could have been, had he so chosen. It gets even MORE interesting when one looks not at the surface of the chart and the straight planetary placements, but adds in the Antiscia or Solstice Points. Has anyone heard of Antiscia? They are points that reflect the planets energy in a mirror re-versed fashion on either side of the SOLSTICE points.. that is to say the line from zero degrees of Caner to zero degrees of Capricorn. If one were to put a Planet in 3 degrees of Leo.. it would cast a reflection in 27 degrees of Taurus. The Antiscia are found by taking the degree of the planet that you want to examine, and SUBTRACTING its degree from 29'60" (30 degrees) then referring to the following table: If a Planet is in.... It's Antiscion is In: Gemini.....................Cancer
Leo.........................Taurus
Virgo.......................Aries
Libra.......................Pisces
Scorpio.....................Aquarius
Sagittarius...................Capricorn Look at Hitler's chart in that light, and a whole new picture emerges. Make any sense? Peace and Light... Aselzion
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Jaqueline
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posted December 20, 2002 09:08 AM
Hi DivineHe was born on April 20,1889.
Braunau/Austria. Taurus sun sign, asc Libra. Yet I have a book in that the author suggests that we use the Vedic astrology in Hitler's map.
This is what she says:
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Hitler's map is incomprehensible in the habitual zodiac, not corrected by the ayanamsa. Sun, Ascendant and Moon occupy peaceful signs: Taurus, Libra and even Capricorn never forms warlike symbols.
In compensation, if we correct the Zodiac, subtracting the 23° of the ayanamsa for the time of his birth everything is explained.
The Sun, Mars, Venus and Mercury fall in Aries, the symbol of the war. The ascendant fell in Virgo, sign of the organization....
And she continues describing other aspects of Hitler's map.
I don't know the Vedic astrology a lot, but I believe that in this specify case,makes a lot of sense.  Love
Jakie 
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Jaqueline
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posted December 20, 2002 09:10 AM
Sorry Aselzion and Robert, I didn't see your posts before...
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posted December 20, 2002 01:00 PM
Greetings...Ok, just had another look at the nativity.. and what did I see... His Ascendant Ruler Venus is beseiged by the Malefics, Mars by conjuntion and Saturn by Square aspect. As I spoke about above the Antiscion (or Solstice Point) of Saturn is 16 Taurus 32 CONJUNCT the Venus. And the antiscion of Mars is at 13 Leo 37 Conjunct his Saturn. One of my astrological heroes, William Lilly, describes that beseiged or afflicted Venus in this fashion: "He is riotous, expansive, wholly given to looseness and lewd companies of women...Fanatical, a meer skip-jak, of no Faith, no Repute, no credit; spending his means in Ale-houses, Taverns and amongst the scandalous, loose people; a meer, Lazy companion, NOTHING CAREFUL OF THE THINGS OF THIS LIFE, or anything religious; a meer atheist and natural man." How appropriate is this given his lack of regard for human life? He did spend some time confined in jail, I would imagine amongst "Scadalous, loose people". A Grand Cross configuration is also contained in this nativity when the Antiscia and Contra-Antiscia are drawn in. Contra-antiscia would be the OPPOSITE points from the Antiscia. Here we see an individual with much power for good or ill, who succumbed to the temptation evidenced by his RETROGRADE and severely afflicted Ascendant ruler (Venus). In this case, Venus is NOT helped by placement in her own sign, nor the fact that she is found in the Terms of Jupiter. Just a few observations... A IP: Logged |
stella polaris
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posted December 20, 2002 01:13 PM
Just a comment to Aselzion:
That description doesn't fit Hitler at all. Actually he was quite religious and very spiritual (hard to believe, yes). Astrology and anything connected was very hot in Hitler Germany (and elsewhere in the 1930s) and Hitler believed in that stuff himself. For instance, he had great plans for my hometown in Norway (that was occupied by his troops), wanting to make it into one of the world's spiritual centers because of the fabulous energy of the place. It's not correct that he spent time with loose, ale-drinking people - quite opposite. He was extremly conservative in this fashion. Despite not marrying Eva Braun (untill the end), he was faithful to her. She also fitted well into the promoted feminine ideal of Hitler: Blond, housebond, loyal, leaving the business to the men etc. etc. IP: Logged |
stella polaris
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posted December 20, 2002 01:23 PM
I just want to add that Hitler was jailed for a failed coup d'etat. And that we should not forget that he was legally elected in a democratic election.IP: Logged |
Aselzion
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posted December 20, 2002 02:31 PM
Stella...According to my sources, yes Hitler was interested in the occult... NOT spirituality, but black magic. He was also interested in obtaining the Spear Of Destiny, and controlling its reputed powers. Perhaps I am mistaken, but that was the information I was given. True he had a CHOICE, but history shows which Path he CHOSE. Blessings... Aselzion IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted December 20, 2002 02:59 PM
I would like to add something also.
He didn't have exactly the capacity to influence people , it is necessary that we take into account the Germany of that time, failed by the first war, on which he participated as a messenger, making an excellent work,btw.
He was above all a person with a compulsive- obsessive behavior.
In the first war, one of the facts that made him win a promotion, is that he didn't took license... while all the other soldiers wanted so much for one, he spared them.
When he had to deliver a message, in the middle of a battlefield, nothing stopped him... he never failed in one mission.
He suffered of terrible intestinal problems because he only fed of candies and tea, he rarely had a normal meal. He didn't drink alcoholic, he didn't smoke and nor accepted that nobody made it in his presence.
He married Eva , just before their death , for loyalty, not because he loved her. His true passion was his niece, that now I don't remember the name, and my biographies on him are so extensive that I would have to seek for a long time. Anyway, his true passion was that girl, with whom he had a relationship during some time, that only finished when she committed suicide, some sources agree that she was pregnant...
He drew the uniforms of the German army. He made that all the armed forces swore loyalty to him and not to Germany.
Yet,Stella, as far as I know, Hitler was never elected in Germany. The last election in which he competed, was won by the marshal Von Hindenburg in 1932. In 1933, the elect president summoned Hitler to compose the government as chancellor of The Reich , soon afterwards he decreed that Germay would only have one party ,National Socialist , after having liberated from the communists with the fire of the Reichstag.
In August of 1934, dies president Hindenburg, and a plebiscite is accomplished for Hitler to accumulate president's functions and chancellor, he won. But, already then, Germany was a dictatorship for more than one year.
It is very probable that he got to win, but after arriving to the power, he used all the dirty means to guarantee his position, without needing of free elections.
About spirituality... after having read more than three thousand pages, in several biographies, on Hitler, in none of them I remember of having had this information.
I would appreciate a lot if you -Stella and Aselzion-could share some information on this subject !
Love & Peace
Jakie
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posted December 20, 2002 03:21 PM
Some links for you.....
http://www.remember.org/guide/Facts.root.hitler.html
http://www.hitler.org/
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Jaqueline
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posted December 20, 2002 03:28 PM
My GOD !!!I didn't know that there was a museum in his memory...  IP: Logged |
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posted December 20, 2002 03:32 PM
This site shows the astrological links between Hitler and Eva...
It shows both their charts and discusses the aspects between them.
You need to scroll down the page......
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Jaqueline
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posted December 20, 2002 04:28 PM
Me again... After I posted my answer decided to look for my books... up to now , I found the following on HIMMLER : Heinrich Himmler, when entered in Hitler's life , was already a follower of occults practices , initiate in several Esoteric Orders and a specialist of religions and of the ancestral Germanic pagan practices. It can seem contradictory that a Catholic from birth and occultist for option, so,a person that believed in God, ended up becoming the responsible for the Nazi machine of killing . Yet,what happens is that Himmler, in the anguish of creating a new culture, adapted to the Nazi reality, studied, compared and ended up absorbing everything what he found interesting of all the religions, philosophies, mythologies and esoteric schools. Everything joined in the same caldron and he gave birth to his creation in the form of a spurious sect.
If, in the Hinduism, it was believed in the reincarnation and this could serve to some of his purposes, he simply adopted the concept. Like this, he said that he was King Heinrich's reincarnation (besides he used the same name as the monarch), that many centuries before had impeded in the area an invasion of the Slavic people. From an existent organization of the century XIII, known as Teutonic Horsemen, he learned some of their procedures and items of his honor code, transforming SS in an Order of Horsemen and Priests.
From King Artur's and from the Bible, he removed the structure of the directing body of SS. Himmler was the center, surrounded by 12 Generals that were in a circular tower. He defended the idea at all costs of seeking the Saint Graal. He financed several expeditions to the south of France and he affirmed that in that chalice " the true and pure blood Arian had been flowed ". I also began to think in the Swastika turned to the opposite, to the left side ... does this make sense?  Love
Jakie
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stella polaris
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posted December 21, 2002 03:25 AM
Jakie, yes, Hitler used all the dirty tricks he could to be appointed kansler, but as far as I understood, the government coalition between the German-nationalists and the NSDAP got enough majority for him beeing appointed (which happened 30.january 1933 - check that number, you numerologists), and the process leading up to that was considered "democratic". What happened after that is another story. I believe the fascination with Hitler is trying to understand how such a madman could sway the masses, raise to power and do what he did - with no one trying to stop him untill it was too late for millions of people.
I have never read any biography about Hitler, only picked up bits here, there and everywhere, and I clearly admit I might interpret everything happening under his regime directly to him - like the religious stuff. Svastika is an Indian word and an old Indian symbol, but this cross has been used as a religious symbol all over the world, also by Christians. I doubt Hitler choose the suncross as his symbol by chance.
My point was that the description of a person with besieged or afflicted Venus didn't fit Hitler.
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Robert
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posted December 21, 2002 06:36 AM
Himmler's chart: October 7, 1900, 15.30 MEZ,
Munich - AC 12°16' aquariusRobert
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Jaqueline
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posted December 21, 2002 12:58 PM
Ok Stella, I agree with you. 
He was not elected , but he didn't also give a "coup d'état" to arrive to the power...and let's forget about that !
I began being interested for the second world war because my ex husband is Jewish. He was born in Israel and his parents, him Russian and her Pole, lived the horrors of this war, losing their families in concentration camps.
What always fascinated me in this history is exactly what you wrote "trying to understand how such a mad man could sway the masses, raise to power and do what he did - with no one trying to stop him untill it was too late for millions of people ".
Two years ago, I read a diary of a Jewish/German teacher , that lived in Germany at that time of the war and for being married with a Christian German, he was not sent to a concentration camp, but in compensation, he lost all his citizen rights and mainly , his human's right.
Just to give a small example, one of the first laws didn't allow the Jews to had an ice cream and to drive cars !
And that was only the beginning of the madness that all of us know the end...
I know a little of the swastika's history and it is one of the oldest religious symbols.
When I referred to the swastika, I wanted to say that when Hitler chose it as the symbol of the Nazi party, he turned it for the left, maybe he was wanting to say that he would follow The Path of the Left,in the Magic, and not the The Path of the Right... maybe he was trying to signal that... I don't know...just my thoughts...Robert, thanks a lot !
I hope I'm not being inconvenient with this conversation on the Second World War...and if I am, please feel free to say Love
Jakie
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Robert
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posted December 21, 2002 08:09 PM
Jaqueline, combining astrology and history is surley not inconvenient for me, because astrology has something to do with the quality of time. There is no doubt Hitler and his fellows, especially Rudolf Hess and Heinrich Himmler, they all were members of a magic circle, the so called "Thule-society" here in Munich after the first world war. Also a member in this time was the photographer Heinz Hoffmann, owner of a photographing shop in the Kurfuersten street in Munich. In this shop worked a very young and nice looking lady, Eva Braun. By the way, today you can find in this house an esoteric shop. After 1933 Mr. Hoffmann became the star photographer of Germany with the onliest job shooting day and night Hitler photos.I know that the time of the flight of Rudolf Hess to Scotland was determined by a Munich astrologer, who belongs to this Thule-circle. chart of flight: May 10,1941, 17:40 h German summer time, Leipheim 10E13
48N27, AC: 16°59' Libra. There is a lot to say about the connection of the NS rulers and their connections even to astrological circles. see later in this forum
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Jaqueline
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posted December 22, 2002 12:08 PM
Robert, thank you very much for giving me a light in this subject.
Like you may have read, I began being interested in Second World War for personal reasons, later, my interest became genuine, especially because history always fascinated me.
I feel that I have some connection with the Germany of that time...
Not long ago, I had two dreams that I was in Germany . In the first, I was a Nazi official responsible for the arrest of my daughter and my ex husband, they didn't have the physical appearance that they have today, but I knew that were them. In the second I walked for a wide street... an avenue, also with my ex husband. There were a lot of people in the street, as if they were making shopping, there were a lot of stores also, high and dark buildings, with the facade in the Baroque style...
The dream was so real, that in spite of not knowing your country, if one day I see this street, I would be capable to recognize.
Does it sounds crazy ? 
Anyway, I will appreciate a lot if you could share your knowledge with us on this period, on The Thule Society and what else you find interesting.
It is a pity that I am crawling in astrology, because it would be wonderful if I could already make the connections among some facts and their astrological meaning... 
Meanwhile, - on my fifteen days of vacation - I will make my researches.   love
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morgana
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posted December 22, 2002 12:24 PM
Hi, I'd just like to add a few comments: Hitler wouldn't be Hitler if he had any WATER in his chart. Without the water element, he completely lacked compassion, and this is the key to his personality, combined also with other factors, of course. IP: Logged |
Robert
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posted December 22, 2002 12:46 PM
Jaqueline, dreams are never crazy, because they are not filtered by brain. Dreaming we are in the area of the unconsciousness. That means dreams never lie.The astrological representative of the unconsciousness is Neptune. The chart of your last posting (Dez.22, 2002 12:08 BDT, Rio de Janeiro) has AC of 20°32' picsces with Neptune in the 11th house on 19°15' Aquarius. Projecting this Neptune on a map the planet line is passing through Germany:
Bremen - Frankfurt - Stuttgart. That means your dreams are true. You must have a connection to Germany. Astrology really is a fantastic instrument, isn't it? See you later
Robert
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posted December 22, 2002 02:04 PM
Robert, this you have to explain! I want to place my dreams on a map, too. The night to yesterday I had some very vivid dreams with a landscape I'd swear I'd recognize if I see it again...IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted December 22, 2002 02:40 PM
Robert
I am impressed ! 
Naturally that I agree that astrology is a fantastic instrument...yet, it had never happened me ,to do this association !
Anyway, it would be impossible, since my astrological knowledge are basic... or less than that.
Please, explain more... Stella and I are are compulsive dreamers. 
Bremen... without a doubt... Hi Morgana Love
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posted December 22, 2002 02:41 PM
ah, projecting dreams on a map sounds fascinating, I have to try that oneback to Hitler..I just opened his natal and found something interesting. The question that got me thinking was - why he was so infuental over the people and the masses followed him?
Our 7th house is the tool to connect with tge masses, a strong 7th house makes one powerfuly influental with the public. I looked at the rulers of the cusps of his chart and here is the result: Rulers of each house, and their position in houses:
1)Venus, ruler of the 1st house (cusp in Lib), is in the 7th house
2)Pluto, ruler of the 2nd house (cusp in Sco), is in the 8th house.
3)Jupiter, ruler of the 3rd house (cusp in Sag), is in the 3rd house.
4)Uranus, ruler of the 4th house (cusp in Aqu), is in the 12th house.
5)Neptune, ruler of the 5th house (cusp in Pis), is in the 8th house.
6)Mars, ruler of the 6th house (cusp in Ari), is in the 7th house
7)Mars, ruler of the 7th house (cusp in Ari), is in the 7th house
8)Venus, ruler of the 8th house (cusp in Tau), is in the 7th house
9)Mercury, ruler of the 9th house (cusp in Gem), is in the 7th house
10)Sun, ruler of the 10th house (cusp in Leo), is in the 7th house
11)Mercury, ruler of the 11th house (cusp in Vir), is in the 7th house
12)Venus, ruler of the 12th house (cusp in Lib), is in the 7th house as you can see, there is such a heavy emphesis on his 7th house -
the most important point - the ruler of his chart - is in his 7th house, the ruler of his 6th house (one`s work) again in 7th, the ruler of his 7th (public image, relationship with public) in 7th, the ruler of his 8th (other`s people resourses and money) in 7th, the ruler of his 9th house (philosophy, religion, ideas, spirituality) in his 7th, the ruler of his 10 house(career path)in 7th, the ruler of his 11th house (hopes, and life wishes, large group of people, friends)again in 7th house, the ruler of his 12th (karma, subconsciouse, hidden plans, secterts) in his 7th house... no wonder people followed him, for good or worse IP: Logged |
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posted December 22, 2002 03:13 PM
Jaqueline, Stella,I have'nt project the dream on a map, but the chart of your posting. The quality of this time includes the content of the dream and also the geographical position of the location. Such a procedere is very usefull to find lost people. Osama bin Laden for instance. In the moment he lives in the Northern part of Pakistan near Kaschmir. Robert IP: Logged | |
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