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Evergreen
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posted January 29, 2003 08:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Using the Equal House system, my MC falls in Sagittarius, 12th House (no planets). I find MC in 12. house difficult to interpret re. career; it contains so many different issues (subconscious, sorrow, denial, loneliness, isolation, frustrations, secrets, secret enemies, institutions, karma-debt, chronical diseases and so on...), while 10. house is more career-related (goals, ambitions, career, father/most dominant parent, social status, promotions, fame ++).

My question is: How do I interpret my MC in 12. H. in lieu of my 10. (Libra-)house, which also contains Mars in Scorpio?
They seem so different?

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Aselzion
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posted January 30, 2003 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings...

Umm my first question is where were you born... if in the USA then the MC USUALLY falls in either house 9, 10 or 11.

I'd have to do your chart for myself to see that for sure and that entails date, time and place of birth.

HIGH northern latitudes can really mess up a chart cast with a QUADRANT House system, but the Equal House system should correct that discrepancy... stll, no matter where you are born the Asc and MC are usually SQUARED or SEXTILED for most USA locations.

Hope that helps...

A

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Evergreen
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posted January 30, 2003 02:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your response, Aselzion
Date: 25.07.67
Time: 20.50 (8.50 pm)
Place: 11e18, 63n45, under the rainbow...

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Aselzion
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posted January 30, 2003 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello there...

My computer spit out your birth coordinates as an INVALID PLACE, so if you can tell me the place name rather than the coordinates I can look it up meself.

I have the ACS computer Atlas that lists virtually the entire world with time changes and zone. The time ZONE is also necessary to get a correct ASC/MC.

Thanks...
A

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stella polaris
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posted January 30, 2003 12:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Heia din FARSK-kusine!!!!

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stella polaris
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posted January 30, 2003 12:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aselzion, Evergreen's AC is, according to astro.com, at 11'27 Cap, while her MC is at 13'03 Sag.
And Evergreen, din frekke spion!!!!, you should add that your south node is sitting right on top of your 10th house Mars.

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Aselzion
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posted January 31, 2003 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stella...

Well, I've never seen such a thing, but as I say... in extreme Northern Latitudes the Asc/MC can be closer together than here in the USA.

I don't use astro.com because I have like 3 different chart calculation packages, but they put their tongues out at me when I tried to enter that lat/long.

Then I tried to look up that lat/long in the ACS Atlas, and it spit at me too, saying ivalid coords... so I was just wondering what would happen if I put in the place name WITH the coordinates.

It's altogether possible that I have a buggy ACS Atlas or my software has a bug I'm not aware of.

So actually I'm rather curious. Any idea where Evergreen was born?

Thanks and blessings...

A

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stella polaris
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posted January 31, 2003 02:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aselzion, as Evergreen is my younger cousin I know very well where she is born..but for some reason, she doesn't want to tell, and frankly, I don't believe you'll find that tiny village in your atlas. The closest town is Trondheim, Norway, which is at 63n 25, 10e25 - shouldn't that be close enough to get an accurate chart?
Actually, I was surfing the web and driving everyone nuts with questions about this, finally a Norwegian astrologer told me he would use equal houses system north of Trondheim. I'd love your opinion on this. If you want, you can take a look at my chart to, I'm born in Trondheim, 17.09.1962, 01.05 am.
And I'd really like you to look at the chart of my friend who's born in Honningsvaag, which is at 70n59, 26 e0, actually the most northern town in the WORLD. She was born 07.12.1960, at 03.05 pm. If you try Placidus on this only gets two huge houses...And this is the main reason equal house system now has my big support - shouldn't people born eveywhere be able to have their birth chart made? Though one astrologer told me that when the sun doesn't rises above the horizont (as in December in Honningsvaag), you can't get an AC..????


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Evergreen
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posted January 31, 2003 03:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HI everybody. Aselzion, I gave you the coordinates because I thought that would be faster than just giving the name of the place, which is Levanger. And Stella; jeg spionerer vel ikke, jeg proever bare aa laere noe her?? How are you, btw? Is that south node important (obviously you think so)? I did not mention it because it doesn't show on my chart, so frankly I don't know where it is!

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posted January 31, 2003 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Evergreen & Stella...

Thanks for the info! I have to work tonight, so I'll run the charts and get back to you asap.

As to Equal Houses, YES In latitudes that far North, one can find very strange things happen as most QUADRANT House systems virtually break down there.

Bright Blessings...

A

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posted January 31, 2003 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stella...

WOW.. I just ran the chart, and YES my ACS atlas DID have Levanger Norway listed!

I've never seen such a thing, but also I am not accustomed to having clients from Norway either!

I always look at the Equal House chart because to me it's a picture of the Soul, if all things were Equal! However, in the Physical Realm, all things are NOT Equal, so I also look at a Quadrant house chart, to see what happens when that Soul Incarnates on the Physical plane. My House System of choice is Campanus, I don't use Placidus or Koch because in my experience, Campanus seems to give better results for the way I practice the Art.

Ok, have to nap a little while before work, but I'll get back to you soon.

Peace and Light....
A

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stella polaris
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posted February 01, 2003 02:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked at these charts with Campanus - they look even worse. Even Evergreen's chart only contains two houses and the rest a big mess.
Placidus, Koch and Campanus are supposed to be more "scientific", but this really show their weaknesses. If you have to be born in a ceratin distance from Equator to get a correct Campanus or Placidus chart, how can they be correct? And how does the chart look like for someone who's born ON Equator - do you know, Aselzion?

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posted February 01, 2003 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Stella...

I've never actually seen a chart for someone born on the Equator, but theortically the houses should be pretty Equal in size.

I like Campanus because it seems to clarify things for me... but as I said, ALL QUADRANT sytems will break down in regions that far north (or south). But there is a system called Porphyry that does a BIT better with your cousin's chart.

It takes the distance from the MC to ASC and trisects the arc to create the 11th and 12 cusps.

In latitudes that far north I would use the Equal Houses... but, THEORETICALLY, the quadrant systems should tell you something. One smart-mouthed astrologer quipped that in latitudes that far north the life choices were limited by the environment, and everybody was basically rubbing noses in their igloos.

I would say the Equal House chart should work very well in this case, as it is always a picture of the SOUL... the other option is to RELOCATE the chart to the NEW/current place of reidence, if it's out of those high northern latitudes and see what that looks like.

As I said I worked last night and am just getting up, have not had a chance to look further into the chart, but try running it in Porphyry System and tell me what you think, at least there are more than 2 gigantic houses!

Peace and Light...

A

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stella polaris
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posted February 02, 2003 02:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll try the Porphyry, thanks.
I've heard the one about the igloos before, and I can't resist commenting on it, as first: That is in Greenland, and the capital of Greenland is actually further south than Levanger. Second: Norway happens to be the richest country in the world, with the highest living standard...But the weather might be bad, I'd admit that...Also, as for my friend born in up north in Honningsvaag, she's a Lapon, which is the Indian population of Norway, with all the ancient wisdom and spiritual powers of native Americans...They definatly did more than rubbing their noses in the snow...

But I'm curious about relocating the chart - how do you do that? Do I just assume that Evergreen was born where she lives in the US and I in Greece?

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stella polaris
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posted February 02, 2003 03:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried all the house systems available at astro.com, including Prophyry...No. It just ends up showing some houses HUGE while others get wiped out.
When you say the equal house system is the picture of the soul - does that mean that in your opinion it's the chart I've had in ALL my lives? While a Placidus or Campanus chart would show my present life?

And poor Evergreen, she just wanted to know (someone else's opinion) about a 12th house MC...

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Aselzion
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posted February 02, 2003 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stella...

What I mean by "The Equal House System is a picture of the Soul as it is if all things were EQUAL" only means that in a PERFECT WORLD, without prejudice and hatred, gender discrimination , racism, ageism and the like, the Soul would be more free to express Who it Really Is.

It seems to me that when we incarnate into the Physical realm, we inherit certain challenges that do not exist say in the 4th (or Higher) Dimension. There is poverty here, and sickness, limitation and other conditions that are not NATURAL to the Soul.

All House systems show you a picture of the Soul... I just meant that Equal is the least encumbered by geographic and material considerations.

In terms of a 12th House MidHeaven... I would say that in terms of CAREER, you should use the Equal House Cusp of 10th (Libra). In this case, I would say that the MidHeaven be considered as a "Sensitive Point", and used for progressing the chart for current trends etc.

Here I would say that the Soul is here to experience the overcoming of self imposed obstacles. By finding God within and the "faith of a child" this Soul can experience the heights and depths of the human condition. The tools would be a certain future mindedness and a clarity of vision, if the individual can maintain a clear focus on the desied goals. There may be a certain lightness of approach that can border on being a dabbler with too many interests or too many irons in the fire. The caution would be to focus on ONE THING at a time and seing that through before getting bored and moving on.

There is a certain quest for freedom from bonds or restrictions of any kind, and this could potentially play havoc with interpersonal relationships... but the irony is that many of these bonds could be SELF Imposed (12th house).

There may be an ability to perceive past lives, but the caution is to not be trapped by them, or so intent upon discovering the PAST that the person allows the PRESENT to slip by the wayside.

Here we could have a prophet of God with the ability to SEE, if she can get over the fear of speaking the truth that she perceives.

Hope this helps a bit..

A

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stella polaris
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posted February 02, 2003 11:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Aselzion! Interesting!

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Evergreen
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posted February 03, 2003 03:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And clarifying. thank you!

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