posted March 19, 2003 12:38 PM              

The article is too lengthy to include here in its entirety (it also has a comprehensive chart describing specific unaspected planets), but I've printed a brief excerpt below:

When a Planet is NOT connected with any other Planet (excluding Lunar Nodes, Asc, and MC) by a MAJOR aspect (Conjunction, Square, Opposition, Trine, or Sextile) the initial impulse is to just dismiss it and move on. But if we do so we're missing out on a tremendously important dynamic of the Horoscope.

Merely because the unaspected Planet isn't well-integrated with the rest of the chart doesn't suggest that it must remain on the sidelines as a quiet observer. Rather than being content with this Astrological isolation, the Planet is often driven to "makes some noise" in order to gain notice and make its point as suggested by its Sign and House placement.  We routinely see that these unaspected "renegades" — by virtue of the fact that they aren't intimately wired into the circuitry with the rest of the Planets — may have to fight for recognition.

Hope this information encourages you to figure out if you have unaspected planets, and if so, how they fit in with the overall dynamics of your chart.

posted March 19, 2003 12:59 PM            

As an astrologer, mostly trained in the classical/horary/medical approach, I'd have to say that I have never cosidered an unaspected planet any differently than an aspected one... unless we're talking about a significator in a Horary Chart where no aspect means no action.

In a nativity, each planet rules a particular House by virtue of the sign on its cusp. Each planet is in a particular DEGREE, that is governed by another planet via Rulership, Exhaltation, Day or Night Triplicity, Term, Face and Dwadasamsa... see Ptolemy's Table of Essential Dignities. (well, Ptolemy didn't mention the Dwad's but they are still there, and very much active - wheels within wheels, don't ya know?! )

Each of these conditions will connect a planet to the rest of the chart whether or not it is aspected. Granted the connection may be less outwardly felt... but as to make it a renegade? I'm not sure I follow that line of reasoning.

We are all a combination of our Signs, Planets, Houses and Aspects, this is why astrology works. However, even an unaspected planet is still active in the nativity. I would also add, that by progression and direction, each planet will make and receive aspects reflecting the current trends and potentials in the individual's life.

Maybe I'm missing the point?!?

posted March 19, 2003 04:01 PM            

What orbs are you both allowing before considering a planet as unaspected?

posted March 19, 2003 05:26 PM            

Anyway, here's a bit of info for you...

General Features

Unaspected planets are just as important as aspected planets. By unaspected planets I mean planets that are not linked by major aspect with any other planet. Even if a planet has many minor aspects, I still treat it as unaspected for our present purposes, because a planet with no major aspect manifests itself in a very specific and unmistakable way, and the interpretation must allow for this.

So what exactly is implied when a planet is unaspected?
If a planet forms some aspect, you know that the psychic factors represented connect up with certain others. Numerous factors can be joined in this manner and they indicate a continual interplay in the horoscope. An unaspected planet does not share in any of this group activity but stands rather aloof; it is neither inhibited or stimulated by other planets, but acts in isolation. Because of the lack of contact with other factors, the native may have difficulty putting it in perspective. Recognising what the planet expresses is not particularly easy; the native may sense its potential but wonders how and when this could be exploited. By virtue of its detachment from the rest of the psyche, the energy of the planet exercises a mysterious fascination over the native, who feels impelled to find out more about it. He or she feels it’s effects all right, but is somewhat at a loss to account for the causes.

Accordingly there will be an inclination to emphasise the contents of any unaspected planet. The emphasis (which is generally totally unconscious) improves the planets “visibility” for the native; but it can create problems, because others already see the planets traits clearly enough and are likely to find the overcompensation annoying.

The above info is from Karen Hamaker-Zondag's book "Aspects & personality"

The orbs she gives re the above are....

Conjunct = 6-8 orb
Sextile = 4-6 orb
Square = 6-8 orb
Trine = 6-8 orb
Inconjunct = 3 orb
Opposition = 6-8 orb

They are classed as the major aspects
all others are classed as minor aspects

posted March 19, 2003 05:59 PM              

I recently started a thread with a question about my sun and Moon. They are in opposite signs, Libra and Aries. But they are not aspect to one another. So in terms of an unaspected sun and moon in opposite signs, that can that mean?

Cat i was quite interested in what you were saying about overcompensation... Would you be able to tell me what this can mean in my case with my sun and moon?

posted March 19, 2003 06:12 PM            

For a planet to be considered as unaspected means that it makes no major aspects (with the orbs I mentioned above) to any other planet in your natal chart.

posted March 19, 2003 06:52 PM            

As I said I tend to be a bit of a traditionalist, so I give the PLANETS themselves the orb of influence. Sort of like a person having an Aura.

I consider two planets to be in aspect if they are within the moiety (1/2 distance) of each of their orbs.

Sun has an orb of 17 degrees so 1/2 of that is 8.5 degrees

Moon has an orb of 12 degrees, so 1/2 of that is 6 degrees.

Mercury, Venus and Mars are all about 7 degrees orbs, so 1/2 of that would be 3.5 degrees.

Jupiter and Saturn have 9 degree orbs, so 1/2 of that would be 4.5 degrees.

Uranus, Neptune and Pluto weren't around in the days of Traditional astrology, but I'd guess that we'd be safe in allowing them 6 or 7 degrees as well, so 1/2 of that would be 3.5 degrees.

So basically what that means is that like an Aura... the person stands in the center and they get 1/2 of the Aura in front and 1/2 behind to equal the total Orb or Aura.

So if the Sun is in 17 degrees of Aries and the Moon is in 17 degrees of Virgo, they would be in EXACT Inconjunct.

They would still be Inconjunct as long as they were within about 7.5 degrees of EXACT aspect. (8.5 + 6 = 14.5 and 1/2 of that is 7.5) That's what I meant by within half of their moiety.

This all looks much more complicated than it really is.

If you want to give the ASPECT the orb, as in Modern astrology, I'd say to give the Lights (Sun and Moon) a little bit of extra leeway so if you called the ORB of an Inconjunct 3 degrees, I'd go ahead an allow it up to 5 or 6 degrees. (which brings us close to the traditional moiety as above!)

There are some systems of Astrology that don't consider mathematical orbs at all, and say that if a a planet is in Aries and another is in Cancer.. they are SQUARE. I believe that is how it works in Vedic astrology.

In that way of thinking, you would virtually NEVER have an unaspected planet!

Make any sense?

posted March 21, 2003 10:51 AM              

Aselzion - Regardless of how we look at it, it seems that the unaspected Planet usually isn't as easily incorporated with the rest of the chart. It makes perfect sense to use the House Rulership, Planet, Sign, and House position, Mutual Reception (if present), and minor aspects to link the unaspected planet to the rest of the chart. And Transits, Progressions, or Solar Arcs to the unaspected Planet offer windows of opportunity for its influence to be mor easily felt. I purposely avoided the term "Peregrination" which some use interchangeably with unaspected Planets, because some astrologers don't consider a Planet to be "Peregrine" if it is in its dignity.

Cat - For orbs, I generally use 7 degrees for aspects to the Sun or Moon and 5 degrees for the rest. The exception is for Sextiles, where I use only a 3 degree orb. I find that by using relatively tight orbs it's easier to hone in on the most important aspect structures. In your chart, I'd agree that the Saturn-Jupiter opposition is pretty wide, leaving Saturn unaspected for interpretive purposes.

Proxieme - I don't treat the outer Planets any differently when considering whether they are aspected, although I had pondered the question since aspects such as the Neptune-Pluto Sextile affect such a large chunk of the population. Still, I don't consider either unaspected for interpretive purposes. If an unaspected Planet rules the Asc, or is in a particular House it dramatically helps to clarify the interpretation, but I still consider it to be unaspected.

Don www.donmc.com

posted December 22, 2003 12:07 PM              

Welcome to the thread. I'm relatively new around here and wish I'd found the place earlier. You can see my Profile for more...

I checked out your site and really like the grammatical CONTENT, (I do Web design as well as being a Healer and a writer, so I mean this sincerely).

Read the thing about "cleaning clutter" and it inspired me in a BIG way for a metaphysical/healing project I'm doing for others.

Another heading caught my attention and reminded me of a bugger... My time of birth. To make a long story short, my mother almost died when I was being born. She was given lots of medication (back in 1961 no less!)...

So.... would the strong drugs account for it taking me 3 hours to wake up in the "morning"? And how would the drugs affect my waking state at "time of birth", i.e., would my time of birth be uniquely transient just based on the STRONG medications alone?

And for that matter, would my entire WAKING STATE be uniquely transient? I've remembered every single dream I've ever had, still remember the ones from childhood, and I literally live two lives. One in waking state, one in dream state.

Looking forward to your take. Thanks!

.gloria

posted December 22, 2003 12:27 PM              

I have read about that sort of thing, though never met anyone who experience it. in you "dream" life, is the world mostly the same or do you feel as though it is a different world?

posted December 22, 2003 12:45 PM              

Your being intrigued by this doesn't put me off in the least bit. Stay in touch. You can also find my email on my profile is you wish to not share on this forum.

That dream world is equivalent to the "animus" or "warrior" part of me who can act and decifer exactly as I wish in a knowingly safe environment. It is practicing skills so I become accomplished in my waking state.

Because it IS so rare that I have this side of me, I cannot rely on the good old stand-by's like dream interpretations books (which are based on outdated blah blah anyways), or even Jung. It's THAT specific to my own recognition and understanding.

So it would be the SAME because it's really ME, analagous to how you are when playing a sport or game. It's not real life, but you are in the "zone".

with love & support,

.gloria