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proxieme
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posted May 10, 2003 01:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or, gender, really.

Do you believe that a soul can "get used to" being a particular gender, and so take some time to adjust to being another?

I bring this up b/c I'm 23 and just now feel like I'm getting marginally used to being a female - not just speaking of societal expectations for behavior, attitude, etc., but also purely practical matters of dimension and "feel".
I'm not saying that I "feel like I should be a guy" anymore than someone who's taken to driving a new type of car would say that they "feel like they should be in Car Y" when they've switched to car X, but there is still a matter of getting used to the new type of handling.

Any thoughts on this front?
Any similar experiences?

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lioneye68
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posted May 10, 2003 01:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Proxieme it's so funny you should say that...I've always felt more aggresive/competitive and less patient/sympathetic/emotional than the average "girl", and although it's served me well, it's made me somewhat of an outcast at times. But you know what? I couldn't give a rat's a$$. I've come to think I've been mostly male in my past lives, or at least in the most recent one.(before this one)
(BTW, I'm totally heterosexual)

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N_wEvil
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posted May 10, 2003 02:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
alot of people say I demonstrate a classically "female" outlook on certain things, i'd put that down to my water moon though. I also demonstrate very "male" outlooks on issues that require logical thought though, and its on that level i usually feel more comfortable tackling things.

I've never felt attracted to other men and/or been mistaken for being homosexual (well, barring the time i was wearing those leather trousers and some guy pinched me bum... )

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lllog
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posted May 10, 2003 03:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
proxieme dear, you have hardly had time to get comfortable in your current body. Sometimes it takes time.

PS, sent your reading to you, hope its helpful.

Lanny

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WychOfAvalon
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posted May 10, 2003 04:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I know what you mean. I think in my case it's because of my masculine Aries Sun, though. I'm told quite often from male friends that I'm a 'bloke' in a cute package.

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Kat
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posted May 10, 2003 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think God is both male and female, yin and yang, and so are we. Go see the movie Bend it like Becker, I think you'll like it.

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proxieme
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posted May 10, 2003 06:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lllog -

I think you're right. I'm just not quite accustomed yet to this, but can't help wonder how much time is left. Since a child, I've let myself be absorbed by the sights and smells - the experiences - surrounding me. I feel so young in myriad ways, but something says that I won't see what I'm seeing now again in quite the same way - it must be drunk now, or not tasted.
It seems like it's all going, and there's still so much to see; there's still so much to do.
I know that what must get done will get done, but, wow - this life's fast fleeting.

Thank you for the transit reading; it is quite helpful. I hadn't realized Saturn & Jupiter were currently that busy in my chart.
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I wasn't quite talking about male/female personality traits (I'm kinda balanced in that regard), but referring more to an amorphous feeling of lack of familiarity w/ a current physical form.
To be a little crude (but descriptive), half the time I'm like, "Geesh, the bo*bs are a pain in the a*s to deal with,", I feel like I'm used to having, um...something else down there, and I in general feel like I'm used to having considerably more heft and a different body structure.
That's not to say that I feel that I should currently be male or that I have the same, er, physical drives, necessarily, as are usually ascribed to guys; but that I have a sort of an echo, a memory, of the above.

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Mercy
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posted May 11, 2003 06:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Proxy?
Do you have a conflicting Venus/Moon combo? My best (girl) friend is a lesbian and very malish (maybe that's why she is my best friend ). The way she behaves, talks etc. but in certain things she is definitely female. She also has Venus square Moon. Like me I have Venus Opp. Moon and it usually means they have a hard time with their female hood (can you say it like that??). And yes, feeling more comfortable with it now than I did in the past.
To answer your question with my opinion:"yes there is such a thing as one gender in my believe." You are either (or are part of..) the female halve or the male (does not matter in what body you live). Look at the Yin Yang thing, it shows one halve (negative) is female with a dot in the centre which is the male core of the other halve which they have carried around for aeons. The other halve, the male (positive) halve carries their female within themselves, the dot in the centre. So it is when you meet your other halve you will recognise each other because you have carried the other within you for aeons. That's the perfect completion of male/female. Gosh I believe I have described it terrible!!

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Lunargirl
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posted May 11, 2003 06:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can relate to this. Even back in kindergarten, I remember thinking of myself as a person rather than as a girl. As an Aries, there's that "masculine" fire sign influence that others mention, but later I realized that due to this "person" identification I was having trouble making connections - because people expect you to be one gender or another. It'll sound weird but I started acquiring feminine habits and mannerisms as a set of social skills - and it took some years before I could enjoy all that, because it didn't feel like me, maybe because I knew I'd had to work at it. Although now I like this woman's body.

Clairvoyants have told me I have come from many male lifetimes, as well as a series of nuns. The lifetimes I remember are all male, in fact. And the nuns... well... although female they are hardly feminine, living in a house of a male god, the equivalant of a monastery.

So yep, I definitely agree with you that souls take awhile to get used to a gender if they're strongly identified with the other.

Lunargirl

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theFajita3
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posted May 11, 2003 11:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting topic! think I've been a guy and a girl and am quite fine with both!

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1scorp
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posted May 12, 2003 11:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Proxi: You "seem" to be femanine to me.
Some of "my" problem with the male/female issue is for example.

I've been told on more than one occassion that I lack that "girly" feel.

Which is fine with me! I've never been able to fall into that pink ribbon and fru-fru stereo type. I mean hell.. that doesn't make me any less of a woman than the next.

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Lost Leo
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posted May 12, 2003 11:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hence, proving the female Scorp/TomBoy relation Linda made

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1scorp
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posted May 12, 2003 12:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know?

How is it considered a tomboy? I wear make-up (usually), skirts, etc., etc.

I just don't do that eye-lash batting and cooing thing. Also, the color pink does not exist in my wardrobe! I won't even buy something if it has that color..

However, I think that pink phobia is just a personal problem with myself. As it was sort of forced upon me when I was a child... though, I fought against it!

I've just always felt that some things that are considered femanine are just way to submissive. Just "my" opinion.

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pidaua
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posted May 12, 2003 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1Scorp,

LOL, that's too funny!

Prox,

I can see where you are coming from, but I think it is alot like what Lanny said. As we get older we get more in touch with our bodies and things flow so much easier. It is much harder to figure out oneself while still in school, even in college. There is something about an environment where we are surrounded by our peers in a little microcosm of the universe. Then, things change. We are out in the big world and we become ourselves and we get used to how our bodies feel.

For me, I have always loved being female, but I can be quite masculine in my likes and dislikes. (Could be the Aries moon / Sag Sun combo). I love sports, but I also always and kind of what 1Scorp calls a "Fru fru" LOL. I LOVE doing my hair and taking bubble baths, wearing skirts and heels (when appropriate) but at the same time I love wearing jeans and shorts. But, on the whole I am very comfortable being a woman and being somewhat "girly". Even when I have to work with cattle or horses, I still have my makeup on and my hair is usually manicured. LOL

YEP! Lanny, I believe you're the one that said us Saggies would go for the quickie as long as it didn't mess up our hair....okay, you win!!

Even today, I had to meet with some dairymen out in Eastern MD at a large dairy facility. I still had on makeup and my belt matches by shoes, the jewelry is coordinated and my hair was down. My Scorpio coworker used to always tease me about that. She would throw on a pair of jeans, put her hair in a pony tail and get going.

One thing I did notice. Lilac perfume drives male horses wild. hee hee. I had one start prancing around and then rolled on his back like a puppy.

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Lost Leo
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posted May 12, 2003 04:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey 1Scorp, nothing wrong with it at all.

Often times I find that those type of girls are the ones usually hanging out with all the guys and we usually consider to be our close friend. As opposed to the "girly-girls," who's dramatics tend to keep them on a "different level" then dudes and makes us less motivated to "be ourselves" around them.

Plus, I'd say 8 out of the last 10 women I've been with have been tomboys, nothing wrong with it at all. They all dress up sexy when it's time too, but are chill as f**k the rest of the time.

Usually they keep all those other women in check real easy like too...
Can't help it, I dig strong women

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lioneye68
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posted May 13, 2003 02:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lost Leo, there's not a damn thing wrong with that. In fact, it says more about you're own level of confidence if you're not threatened by a strong woman. Gawd knows the world could use more men like that.

Prox, I saw the new pic you posted...you're a cutie! I see what you mean, though. You have a sort of "boyish" charm, or should I say "tom-boyish". Do you wear makeup usually? I'm liking the longer hair on you.

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proxieme
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posted May 13, 2003 05:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, no - you wanna see boyish? http://home.earthlink.net/~proxieme/NCLC375.jpg
(I'm the one on the floor in the front in the blue w/ my arms crossed.)
It's also a better view of "the hair" (I haven't had it this long for, oh, 5 years), albeit in iddybiddy form.

I almost never wear make-up - waaay too lazy. I don't even own any beyond clear lip gloss.
Whenever I do have to put some on, I usually have to enlist the help of my Virgo sis (I can ask her b/c if I'm putting it on, it's usu. for some major family thing). That's part of what I'm talking about - I feel like I'm marginally cross-dressing when made-up.

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taj
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posted May 17, 2003 02:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dinna worry, kid.
i've only just started being 'aware' of my femininity myself.

why, i discovered brow-plucking just about two years ago!... (uh, it just didn't impinge on my consciousness that women needed to do that.)

likewise discovered the benefits of wearing lipstick on and off for a year now...yep, ordinarily can't be bothered... make-up's a pain...would just as soon offer my face to the sun, wind and rain.

i believe transiting pluto in sag is a lot responsible for the change. not to mention saturn's return.

growing up with a 'masculine' sun and moon, i naturally scorned attributes of femininity as i couldn't relate to 'soft' elements. didn't even want the eyes of the males of this world on me as i associated being chased with being female.

i know better now, of course. i think i'm finally getting the hang of being woman that to be one again wouldn't be such a bad idea.

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