posted May 15, 2003 06:10 PM              

ie you seen to associate venus with love but it was humans that named the planets after gods before they knew anything about them. Nowadays the conditions of venus would never inspire someone to associate it with love seeing as it is very VERY hot, 90 times more pressure and the clouds are almost pure sulphuric acid... lovely

what other associations do the planets have and why do you believe them to be accurate?

posted May 15, 2003 06:26 PM              

do you actually believe in fate?

posted May 15, 2003 11:02 PM              

Ever realize the more you question somethings the further away from the truth you get? Somethings are better left not questioned. Since you are such a science freak, if science is so freaking perfect, why can't it explain how we were created? Why cant science prove Bumblebees can Fly? Science is very flawed my friend. Do not believe everything scientists tell you. Look at the history of science, everything before the new revelation was wrong, yet we believed it to be true, even though it was not true. Keep spiralling, you will get the answers you seek.

posted May 16, 2003 05:46 AM              

so what ur saying is that everything has already been decided? our lives, deaths etc? and yet we still have decisions to make but ultimately we'll pick the right one because its fate? well why bother thinking about anything if we're gona make the right decision anyway?

what about all the terrible stuff that happens all the time. last year one of my friends killed himself and if someone had said 'it was meant to be' they would rightly have deserved a slap (or maybe more)

as for my petty ego thing, i may still be quite young but i have actually thought this through. i didnt just wake up one morning read something sciencey and decide to come and tell you all how wrong you are. i dont want to be a spectater in my life- i know that it is me and only me that makes my decisions and determines its own future. maybe its lying drunk in the street or maybe living in a million£ castle. either way its my choice.

maybe the whole fate thing is just another way for people to stand back from their responsibilities? "it wasnt my fault i was fired, must be part of the greater plan" yeah sure.

posted May 16, 2003 07:44 AM              

Well, not exactly, but thinking about it, why yes everything has been decided. As everything boils down to choice. Nothing can happen without making a choice. The great thing is God has granted us Free Will to make whatever choice we want. He though wants us to make healthy choices, you know choices that allow us to grow. Sometimes it takes us making what are seemingly bad choices, which have us fall down, to learn and gain the strength it takes to get to the next step. As they say, no pain no gain.

"well why bother thinking about anything if we're gona make the right decision anyway?"

Why bother thinking? Why not just feel your way through things? I know it is not easy, I am not exactly doing the greatest job at it, but I am getting better, hard for a super virgo like myself to let go, and to just go on the feelings. If you were to go by feelings, you will real eyes, that you cannot make a wrong choice, because you will be doing what feels good. Whereas sometimes thinking actually causes us harm because it instills doubts and creates negative feelings, which lead to negative choices being made.

"as for my petty ego thing, ...maybe its lying drunk in the street or maybe living in a million£ castle. either way its my choice."

Well, I too am pretty young, I am only 22 myself, so I have quite the ego to, but I think it is when we identify to strongly with our Egos, that causes conflicts with those aound us. I know in my life that rings true. It is not easy to rest the ego, I am far from it dominating me at times too. Though my ego does not like to admit it...LOL....but yes, of course it comes down to your choice. How do you make your choice though? On what you think right? Your thoughts are based on what?? Your feelings. What is it you feel? Where do your feelings come from, THIS is where Astrology comes into play, you feel the energy of what is around you, of course it is NOT just the planets that you feel, it is also the people around you etc...but what astrology shows you, is what kind of energy is at play. How you use it, is well upto you. That is the great gift of Free Will, that God has Given you.

"maybe the whole fate thing is just another way for people to stand back from their responsibilities? "it wasnt my fault i was fired, must be part of the greater plan" yeah sure"

Well, if people use fate as an excuse to stand back from their responsibilities, they are LYING to themselves. Fate requires us to all be responsible, cause if not, that you create a negative state for yourself.

"you said you feel something guiding you? whats that like? im guessing you dont mean god or anyone like that"

posted May 16, 2003 08:03 AM              

but are you still up for this 'ultimate argument'? there shouldnt be a problem using this forum as long as neither of us is offensive.

people can join in if they want, it'll make it more confusing but what can you do?

posted May 20, 2003 10:37 AM              

I am new here so hello to everyone and thanks for making this such an interesting resource!

Just wanted to throw in my two cents here about fate v. choice- the truth (or MY truth, rather) is that there are really equal amounts of fate and choice that we construct for ourselves. For example, I believe that I was "fated," or that I chose, to meet my current beau when I did- but that was it- it was my choice to start a relationship with him. It's the same with just about anything, in my mind.

It is easy, however, to get a bit cynical about the whole thing- and say, like ash has, what's the point of really thinking about anything, if the decision is made for us already? And there is some truth to that- I've been told by a wise source that I have the "opportunity to meet my highest potential in this life," and this is something I've wrestled with because why should I bother finishing school or really doing anything if this opportunity will just pop up one day?

But now my train has lost course... in any case, if you don't want to believe in fate, ash- then dont. choose to live your life any and all ways that serve you. *serve* is the key word though- does it serve you, help you in any way NOT to think that you're fated to do things? or vice versa? just a thought.

ciao all!

posted May 20, 2003 04:00 PM              

Everything is an interpretation built through the foundation of language. Astrology included. It's just all words! Think about it. You're studying to be a lawyer, it shouldn't be too hard to fathom

Are you familiar with Rhetoric Studies? Hmm, Foucault, Derrida, Nietzsche? Hegemony may be? I read Antonio Gramsci's prison notebooks years ago. I'd love to chat in private if you want. The postmodern and post-structuralist theories will give you a whole fresh perspective about everything---which is really composed of nothing

Like that? I do!

And, Astrology is an art of intepretation anyway . . . as is everything in life. Science is, essentially an interpretation for naturally occuring phenomena. Nicht wahr?

Even the words on this screen are an intrepretation---Roman letters, Arabic numbers, etc., that we were taught to make it mean something, more interpretation!

Now if someone were not versed in the language we speak, what would it make our language???

Dead and obsolete.

Food for thought

Aphrodite