posted July 03, 2003 08:29 AM              

Is there a kind soul out there to help me?
I have mars mercury venus uranus all in scorpio and 12th house...i feel like life is a dream sometimes...not long ago i was with this a girl (scorpio)and she started speaking in this very weird tongue (that ressembled nothing i know)then she said that a black liquid came out of her mouth, this girl said some witching was done in her family.The next day life began bringing us apart. I feel strongly that i relive past situations. Right now I'm in love with another scorpio, but it's not mutual, I tried my best but no go...But she's so nice and we're great friends, always together,but it won't go farther.
I'm all ears to any support or suggestion

posted July 03, 2003 09:19 AM              

i am also a libra with sag rising.

i dont usually do anyones charts right now because of time constraints, but i feel for you. i can look at your chart and tell you what i think, but id have to have your birth data.

the 12th house is very hard to quantify really. you may well not have those planets in the 12th either, depending on which house system you are using. what sign is ruling your 12th house? is it scorpio? or is your 12th house intercepted by scorp? you say sag rising so im assuming that you mean sag is on your first house cusp. i use meridian which takes advantage of an equatorial ascendant, which sort of gives you two, one how you see yourself, and one how others see you. often the planets end up in different houses with that system.

i am really tired right now and must go to bed but i will try to comment more later. if you would like me to view your chart to see whats up, just post or email your birth data for me.

im sorry i couldnt help more right this second but i was on my way to bed... and i have a busy day after i wake up. (i have chronic insomnia)

posted July 03, 2003 09:56 AM              

Well i was born oct 20th 1978 at 9am in Hong Kong...
I don't know much about the details of my chart (cusp and all...).
Sorry if the message i posted looks weird, i just wanted to give an example of a past life situation coming back and that i was aware of when my friend talked in her sleep...it still gives me goosebumps because i know the language was ancient...
Ummm...you can answer here i prefer, for any message someone wants to write to me discreetly it's jcplossignac@hotmail.com

posted July 03, 2003 08:51 PM              

placidus is good too. its also accurate. i have found though in my own chart and with the personal mentorship of someone who is very good at astrology that meridian gives another layer to a chart. i use both in cases like this, when its people i personally know i stick with meridian to get deeper, because i already know them. not to mention that in most cases if i already know them, ive already seen their chart in placidus. anyway this might be all greek to you but i just wanted to explain a little further why i use meridian. many people have different feelings about house systems, and i find it a personal thing. but, if i can get to the heart of the matter using meridian, what difference does it make, right? but i will look at your chart with both.

also to be fair i am *not* a professional, however i am very knowledgeable, and i wont 'guess' with your chart. if i dont know something or cant see something, i will be honest about that. i am not one to guess, when trying to help people.

so, ill take a few days and get back to you. i do feel for you, especially if you are another libra, and with my rising sign too! 12th house issues are hard to understand sometimes, but ive got a good knowledge base about them. we will see whats going on.

posted July 04, 2003 05:12 AM              

yes i'm new...thanx for the tip! i'll keep that one in mind
My state of mind is the zen approach right now...no illusions or mental stagnation on one subject unless it's serious, only the present counts, no birth, no death...

what is to do something what is not to do something? not even 10000 wise men can answer...
unknown boudhist

posted July 15, 2003 08:38 AM              

i am looking at your chart right now, and wow, you certainly do have an interesting one. your 12th house is indeed packed, and you have no planets in the 2nd through 5th houses.

and as i figured, scorpio rules your 12th as well. let me tell you, i can really relate. my chart is different from yours however; we have shared sun/rising signs and our part of fortunes are both in cancer too (although that is because our sun and risings are the same) and there are other similarities. what strikes me most though, is the 12th house influence. i also have a strong 12th house influence, my neptune is in scorpio, my mars is in the 12th house, and on and on... even though i have but few water planets, my 12th house is a big factor to me and shows itself in my life quite often.

ps husband is in the bedroom watching a movie, so i thought id try and take this time to aquaint myself with your chart. i have been DYING to do some charts, i feel i get stagnant if i dont keep it up... i havent done much astrology for the past week or so. *sigh*

ok anyway... i cant promise you much right now, but im getting aquainted with your chart. im rusty after this week of inaction too. ugh, it doesnt help when he keeps walkin in here to see what im doing, too. lol. i just really need my solitude when im doing this. anyway... there *are* things i can see however. i have some questions id like to ask too. ill get to those in a minute.

your first house has neptune right smack dab in the middle. little wonder that you have things of a 12th house nature happen to you frequently. the 12th house is neptunes natural domain, 12th house corresponds to pisces and neptune. the first house is pure you. its what others see, personal appearance, temperment, the way you come across to others, vibes you give off. so you have neptune, a spiritual planet, in a sign of freedom and pursuit of the truth... i think people probably see you as someone who is seeking the truth in spiritual matters and one who is open to learning from these matters, who would be a teacher as well. that sort of influence would have people feel they could trust you in sharing their experiences of a metaphysical nature.

sag is the philosopher, and is the ruler of travel. people would see you as someone who 'trips the light fantastic' as it were. you probably have quite a bit of personal magnetism and come across as a little mysterious and deep, yet you are honest, as sags typically are, and people probably sense that. the ruler of YOUR 1st house is jupiter, which is posited in leo. that energy is focussed outward, leo is a sign that gives, and jupiter is a planet of expansion and growth. so we can break it down into an equation.

neptune (spirituality) + sag (freedom, journeys) + 1st house (you) + jupiter (expansion) + leo (generosity, creativity) + 9th house (learning and teaching, philosophy) = you appear to others to be a philosophical person who is generous and creative in your spirituality, both in learning and teaching, who has a lot of energy to share, and isnt afraid to think about these things because you desire to find the truth in them and can draw on others experiences to help you find *your* way, and therefore share with others.

thats rather simplistic, but like i said, im rusty. ^_^ thats not even really touching your 12th house. thats just the FIRST. yes, i have no doubt that you and your life will have the 12th house factor in a profound way throughout your life. no doubt at all.

neptune is opposed the moon in gem, which means that they see each other for what they are, NOT that they are necessarily at cross purposes. the moon knows that spiritual matters are something you are going to have in this life, and neptune knows that you need to find the facts to support them to feel emotionally whole. you may at times get frustrated though, when the answers dont come easy. we are after all, dealing with the 12th house which is the house of intangibles. other people are going to be an important part in this process, as your moon is in the 7th house of partnerships. a caveat though, be careful about who you learn from. i dont feel it would be much of a problem because you have that sag rising that will help you evaluate information in the search for truth, not to mention your libra sun, which evaluates information like its a life or death situation. heck i evaluate what to have for dinner as if the weight of the world depended on it.

posted July 15, 2003 08:38 AM              

i feel that emotionally you arent comfortable about all the experiences you have had happen to you, and long to connect the dots, find the connection to you personally and the truth in these matters. *you* know that life has a lot of meaning, but your emotions want to have more information, rather than rely on your instinct. your emotions depend on facts and intellectualizations. emotionally you want to know *why* you feel what you feel. this corresponds with your packed 12th house. mercury rules gemini, and he is in that very 12th house. you *think* about spiritual things a lot, and want a way to reconcile them that makes sense to you emotionally. thats mercury in the 12th influencing a planet in its own sign.

whew im getting tired and i think my fella is getting impatient for me to go to bed. so i think i will wrap this up in a moment after i ask some questions of you. im sorry this was so basic... as i said before (many times lol) i really really need solitude to do a chart with any insight. heck, most of this stuff someone could have picked up from your posts, if they were a little bit intuitive. the thing is, its all there in your chart!

i wanted to ask you specifically... what do you want to accomplish regarding your chart? what questions were you wanting it to answer for you? like, we have established that you have a strong 12th house. so where do we go from here? are you interested in what strengths you can draw on? were you wondering about love in your chart? with your venus in the 12th in scorp, i have a TON to say about that, lol! saturn and pluto have something to say about it too! i hate to do it to you but it has to wait till my husbands gone, unless i can take over my pc tomorrow night, lol. at least itll give you something to look forward too.

one final note

it also doesnt surprise me that you are an economics major with a job in the finance industry. saturn (duty) is in the 10th house of careers in virgo (service, analytical thinking, earth which longs for routine and practicality) which is ruled by merc again in the 12th (thoughts of something deeper), but taurus rules your 6th house of work environment and duty... taurus is also an earth sign obviously and so would very much feel safe in a position such as you have. those earth signs crave stability, need routine, and tangibilities... although i know that the siren song of merc in the 12th is hard to ignore. i think that though the work is boring, and you would probably make a fine astrologer, you would be well advised to keep the job you have. our job lives are not our whole lives, although it sometimes feels that way lol! but essentially, i would stay in that field to earn a living. however trip your light fantastic in your free time. lets face it though, astrology is not a typical career for making ones fortune, and as a libra you probably enjoy having nice things, sag rising you probably enjoy travel, etc and all these things cost money. i think that you can do both. just keep your day job and use the time off work to pursue your bliss. you are well suited to both. the only trouble may be that in learning about 12th house ruled things, you might never make up your mind. with saturn in that house and in virgo i just feel that karmically thats what you need to do. you can be of service to people, which virgo needs in whatever it rules (my venus is in virgo, and i very much need to be useful to other people, and help as many as i can) and although i have no doubt that you would be of help to people were you to be an astrologer, you dont have to sacrifice the decent paychecks either.

also i believe that a career in a practical field like that will keep you stable, so you dont get swept away by that ole 12th house. you *need* a base in reality, something you can depend on, that includes routine. saturn is telling you that very thing, and he appears to have more aspects in your chart than any other planet (although i havent counted and uranus might have as many or more, we will get to that later though).

take that with a grain of salt though... i cant explain further, its 5:11 am here *sigh* and i have to go to bed now. we shall talk more later.

ugh GOTTA go to bed! hopefully this helped a little. i havent even touched on chiron or anything else yet. take care!

~ana

posted July 15, 2003 01:06 PM              

Now to answer your questions:
I'd like my chart to show me the correct path throughout the different areas of life. So far it has put to light my many flaws and that chart has been my own personnal shrink.

About that twelfth house prob...I'd definitely like to know what's going on in Venus...as you can expect my love life isn't rosy i've known long spells alone, scandals and hidden love add scorp and mix it up. It's getting better but this is hell for a defensless libra.
Basically, i'd like to know what these placements can bring me, how do they interact with each other?
I'm also very interested in past lives and what is their link to this twelfth house...
Why is it always scorp in twelfth?
Anyways, i prefer you just commenting freely on my chart...

Am i psychic?
I'd say sometimes...you see it happens that i pick up certain thoughts or send them to people...
Otherwise, I don't really know...I've had prophetic dreams when i was young, or past life dreams (i'm pretty sure of), but i don't really dream anymore...
I've had other strange stuff happen too, an encounter with a demon once (it's a long story, i'll tell you if you want)
So i'd say i'm a diet psychic, without the sugar and caffeine, and that's already too much i think compared to the real ones out there...
Have to go !
thanx for everything
see u soon!
teva

posted July 16, 2003 05:02 AM              

i have a few charts i have promised to look at, and ive hardly scratched the surface of tevas. if no one else helps you, and you can wait awhile, i could try to help you a little. it wont be at least for a week though.

i understand about the learning process. i have a moon in aries and i cant learn fast enough!

one thing that is nice about this site is that there is an ongoing astrology course. to take part in it, one has to email randall who will give you access to it, im not sure if you need an invite or not, but im sure someone will post after me giving a little more information about it. its at all different levels too, apparently. i havent spent much time there, because i dont have much time, although i would like to contribute, and theres a few factors of astrology that i would like to learn. things that seem way over my head right now, like harmonic charts etc. id also like to get better at transits.

anyway welcome! nice to have you!

one day soon i would like to see your chart, as i have a personal interest in the 12th house and specifically chiron. i cant commit to anything right now though. im sorry

theres lots of people here better than i at interpretation too so maybe one of them will help, or you could participate in the astrology course

take care

posted July 16, 2003 02:29 PM            

12thhousearies mentioned...
"I am quite sensitive to the emotions in a room"

posted July 16, 2003 06:21 PM              

There are also times when I dream things and months later I will be in in the situation from the dream, thinking I am having a "de ja vu" moment and realizing later that I had dreamed something quite similar. That is very strange!