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dorkus_malorkus
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posted July 03, 2003 12:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is anyone here familiar with the bucket(or funnel) shaped chart? I have this type of chart; all my planets are at the bottom of my chart wheel with the exception of Jupiter in the 7th house (Pisces) which supposedly channels my energy?

Here is a link which briefly explains this configuration: http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html

Does anyone else have this kind of chart? Also, since my Jupiter in 7th seems to prove such a significance, can anyone go into detail what I might gather from this placement?

Thanks,
Stacey

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posted July 03, 2003 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stacey

I can empathize with those with singletons. There are no planets in my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 12th houses. Mars in Aries is a singleton in my 6th. All the other planets are bunched into the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th houses with 4 on the Midheaven.

Can't say how your singleton, Jupiter in Pisces in the 7 will play out but I will say that singletons in general are powerful indicators in charts. In my case, Mars in Aries in the 6th means most people don't appreciate working with me or for me on projects. The focus is getting the job at hand done. Breaks, lunch and dinner can come and go without me noticing. Its also true that on the job, I don't particularly care if I'm loved or hated, just get the job done baby.

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posted July 03, 2003 05:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, I have a few "singletons" now that you mention it. Saturn in Sag in the 3rd and Mars in Cap in the 5th, I suppose I should play special attention to those as well as the Neptune in Pisces in the 7th?

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posted July 03, 2003 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm Stacey, perhaps we should define the term singleton. The literature I've read indicates singletons are the only planet in the chart that is either above or below the horizon or the only planet on the East or West side of the chart. In some literature, it can also be the only planet in one of the 4 quadrants and in other literature, it can be the only planet in an element.

Having a hard time getting a mental picture of a singleton when you have planets in the 3rd, 5th and 7th houses. Here's a site that you might enjoy which talks about bucket patterns and singletons.
http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/GlastonburyArchive/time/lit14.html

Perhaps Donna, Cat or one of the other astrologers will give you a more complete answer.

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dorkus_malorkus
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posted July 04, 2003 02:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no, you are right, i only have the neptune in 7th placement, i was thinking when only one planet occupies a house, that its called a singleton, but i haven't done much research on those.

if anyone wants to take a gander at my chart, here is my info: 6 Sept. 1986 in San Antonio, TX USA at 0704 M (7:04 am)

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posted July 04, 2003 02:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop, that's a great link, but it doesn't say enough about each planet as a singleton. I have a moon singleton. It opposes Mars by aspect, and Sun, Merc and Venus by sign, just shy of the 7 deg orb for an opposition.
I'd sure like to make use of that puppy! It's in Aquarius in the 2nd house. Public (aqua) feelings (moon) about security (2nd house), opposing all kinds of 8th house stuff, like other people's money.
I know my calling is to be an investment banker, but it just hasn't played out that way.
That's my interpretation anyway, simplified as it may be.
Sound about right to you?

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posted July 04, 2003 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stacey

Thanks for posting your birth info. That cleared it up for me. You do have the singleton, Jupiter in Pisces in the 7th. All your other planets are below the horizon.

Here are 2 sites that speak to Jupiter as a singleton and Jupiter in Pisces in the 7th.
Marriage and/or committed relationships are going to be very important to you and perhaps magnified by your Libra Venus. Please read from these sites and see if you can determine how you might tend to be disappointed in marriage.
http://www.shadowdance.com/astrologyseventh.html
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/jupiter/jupiter.htm

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posted July 04, 2003 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jwhop
Good to see you back and chatting

Those are great links that you have posted. Don't think I can add much more.....
Here's some info I have.....

The Singleton is a part of so called INFERIOR FUNCTION in a chart. There are Dominant and Inferior function in a chart.

What is DOMINANT FUNCTION you will ask-
it is indicated by where the most energy is collected ( stellium of planets in a chart)and the INFERIOR FUNCTION is where there is the least or none at all. The dominant function is where we feel most natural, comfortable, at home; It is easy and natural. Therefore, it may not be a source of great motivation. The inferior function comes into play when we are under stress, when we have to cope, when we feel out of our element. This can be a source of great motivation and creative expression. But, there is a trickster quality about it; it is there when least expected. It undermines the dominant function. Suddenly, all the gifts, talents, achievements can be wiped out! The rug is pulled out from under the comfortable, habitual way of being and interacting. The inferior function manifests in embarrassing and inappropriate ways.

The SINGLETON is one of two types of inferior functions..
Singletons show up as one-of-a-kind in one or more categories; by modality, element, orientation by sign and house, or as the only planet in one hemisphere. In whatever way a planet is a singleton, it is equally important. The more times it is a singleton, the more it is emphasized, and the more highly focused it tends to be in the psychology and in the life. The energy of the singleton planet, the quality of the sign and house in which it is posited and the house(s) it rules are all highlighted. A singleton is both the "runt of the litter" and the "pig of the litter." It can demand nearly all of a person's psychic energy, starving the dominant function.

Absent Functions -
Let's now look at the second type of Inferior Function: the Absent Function.

That happens when there are NO planets in an element, modality or orientation.

The absent function manifests psychologically most often in two ways. It is a source of great creativity, and it tends to be so in terms of overcompensation. A person with a missing element or modality is likely to be an overachiever in terms of the element or modality. He may be rather obsessed, driven to do something creative with it. The other response is to let the absent function become the source of the shadow, that repressed part of the self that is a source of great annoyance when it is encountered in other people. For example, a man with no occupied water signs may find himself inordinately offended or upset by emotional, sentimental weeping people, especially women or ethnic minorities whose culture permits much more emotional expressiveness than his mainstream standards allow. Bill Clinton has no water sign planets, yet he has a Singleton Moon and Neptune on the Ascendant. Many Americans like him because he has "soul" and "rhythm"; they feel he identifies with them with great sensitivity and compassion.

The absent function tends to be all on or completely shut down. There is an extremist quality about it. Among the famous people with no fire are the flamboyant actors, Rudolph Valentino and John Berrymore. Writers and intellectuals like William F. Buckley and Oliver Wendel Holms often have no air in their charts. No water shows up in the charts of poets and composers.
Hitler had no Water.....
A lack of earth can produce a millionaire like J. Paul Getty, as well as substance abusers like Judy Garland and Dylan Thomas. Missing earth also gives a tendency towards abstraction. The charts of great modern astrologers, Marc Edmund Jones, Dane Rudhyar and Robert Hand are waterless.

When the absent function appears on the Ascendant or the Midheaven, the persona, personal or public, tends to overcompensate; it is all façade. Often it is a case of false advertising: what you see is not what you get when you take the package home and unwrap it! Marilyn Monroe, with her Taurus Midheaven, is a good example. The public image she projected was the sex goddess. Inside she was air and water, all ideas, thoughts and emotions, with no way of "grounding" herself.

When dealing with a chart that has missing functions, it is important to look at the progressed planets and the outer planet transits. For example, a person with no air may have a progressed Sun in an air sign, at the same time outer planets may be transiting another air sign. That would be a time for the person to really use his or her hidden talents and experiment with communication, writing, speaking, relationships and group involvements.
We see again, as we did with Singleton planets, that missing functions correlate with uniqueness, talent, color and drama in the personalities and lives of the charts' owners.



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posted July 04, 2003 11:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/locomotive.html
The locomotive chart is really interesting to analyze too, because it's so common. The cutting edge planet, is very accurate, as mine is Venus in the fifth, Venus has defined much of my life. Everytime I try a career that is not very Venusian it fails. My loves have been mainly dominated by Venus, Libra or Taurus, and Leo. If your cutting edge planet is Uranus, you will be seen as an Aquarius.

Jupiter as a singleton is pretty good, that's lucky, and in relationships too. Jupiter in the 7th makes a great partner and you will receive a lot of support from business partners and friends. It's popular for an agent, broker, anyone else who has to deal with people for a living such as singers, actors, politicians. 7th house is other's people, and their resources, so others want to share and work with you. Jupiter in water signs are very concerned about others, lots of empathy. I would say that's an excellent aspect.

If you have a moon singleton, then the moon (women) is your weakness. You may make a greater effort to liked by the women in your life. I have noticed this with those with the Moon on the ascendant too, a general need to be liked by women, or to act motherly in a collective way. Neptune as a singleton can lead to addiction to alcohol, or a tendency to codependent to addicts, or the emotionally naive or love/sex addicts. That's as much as I know about Singletons.

Natasha

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posted July 04, 2003 11:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks a bunch for the replies, all, they are very informative and helpful!

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posted July 05, 2003 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lioneye

Search as I might, and I did, I can't find a thing specific to a singleton Aquarius Moon in the 2nd.

However, this is one interpretation for Aquarius in the 2nd without respect for the Moon being in Aquarius as a singleton.

"While she might earn enormous amounts, she can lose as much if not even more."

Moon in 2nd:

"Very ingenious and inventive where earning money is concerned."

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posted July 05, 2003 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Cat

I knew you would have some good information tucked away.

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posted July 06, 2003 11:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm. That's interesting about Aqua moon, and moon in 2nd. But the plot thickens because not only is it a Singleton in 2 ways (only air placement, only "bottom half" placement), but it also opposes sun, mars and merc in the 8th house.
Would it be fair to say that it's the dominant planet in my chart? Should I look to Uranus as well, since it's the ruler of Aqua?
I thought the ruler of the ascendant is the ruler of the chart (?)...AHHH! Too many details... confusing my non-earth, non-Mercury brain!

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posted July 07, 2003 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioneye

Are you also Aquarius rising?

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posted July 07, 2003 08:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now, jwhop...wouldn't that be impossible if I had a 2nd house Aqua moon?

Based on the 3:40pm birth time, I'm a Saggie rising.

Why for you ask? (said in my Russian bag-lady accent)

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posted July 07, 2003 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I've already posted about Moon in the 2nd and the ability to make money. You might want to see this too.

Jupiter in the 9th:

Professional success can happen abroad or in connection with foreign countries. Faraway voyages are profitable.

Perhaps you would like to think about investment banking on an international scale.

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posted July 07, 2003 10:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay I have moon in 2nd. Maybe I am one of the lucky ones :P Except for the fact I spend money almost as quickly as I accumulate it. I spend quite a bit on my mother. I can't say no to...mother *fearful look*

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posted July 08, 2003 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stacey

If I were you, I'd rely on my powerful intellect rather than trust to luck But, your Libra Moon and Venus will smooth the way for you in lots of situations. You may even have to resort to horn rimmed glasses to get people to take your intellectual abilities seriously.

Yes, dear Mom

Neptune in 4th house:
Succeeds thanks to brilliant and unusual ideas. Is very much influenced by the mother.

Jupiter square Uranus:
Too independent, liberty is all important. Extravagance is shocking

See, you already knew that.

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posted July 08, 2003 01:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoa, I have a powerful intellect? Cool, dude :P

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posted July 08, 2003 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I expect a Virgo Sun, Mercury and rising to pretty much know what's going on.

What makes you think I'm not a dudette

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Oh hehe, sorry 'bout the dude thing. It just comes as a shock because most people don't usually think of me as a smart person. In fact, most people think I'm stupid, but hey, I'm not gonna get involved in this whole debate. Maybe I'm smart and everyone else is stupid(except for those of us in the magical world of Lindaland!)

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posted July 08, 2003 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

OK, no reason to debate intelligence. It's a multifaceted subject anyway. Here's a test of sorts juniperb posted recently. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/002004.html

It's OK about the dude remark. You first impression was correct.

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Stacey, your Emotional IQ is 117.

This number is the result of a formula based on how many questions you answered correctly on Emode's Emotional IQ test. But your Emotional IQ score is much more than just a number: it's an indicator of success.

Research has shown that people with high emotional intelligence scores — not necessarily those with the highest IQ scores — tend to be the most valued and productive employees and have the longest and happiest romantic relationships.

So, where are you most emotionally smart? Your test results show that your strongest suit is perception — your ability to pick up on what others are feeling.

Because of this, you are unusually good at reading people's verbal and non-verbal cues. You're especially aware of the subtleties of people's actions, and can feel out the vibe of a situation better than many. That gives you and edge many wish they had. People with high perception skills like yours, however, tend to rely on them to the exclusion of others. As a result, they sometimes have underdeveloped abilities in other realms of critical emotional intelligence like managing emotions, empathy, and being expressive.

Great link, jwhop, thanks! Although maybe I could be a bit more emotional?

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posted July 08, 2003 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Stacey, you could go back and change a few answers like I did, then you could be emotionally empathetic instead of emotionally perceptive.

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posted July 08, 2003 08:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh jwhop, your comedic stylings tickle my fancy

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