posted July 17, 2003 09:46 AM              

I'm a Sag with a Cappy moon, my mum is Taurus - we don't get on at all....She is always right and perfect in everyway (these are not my thoughts by the way). In her eye's, I'm a failure, weak, an embarrassment, have no idea about anything...the list is endless. I'm very new to Astrology so don't know whether the above is of any significance...

What do you think?

posted July 17, 2003 02:21 PM              

i was adopted

my moon and my sun are in scorpio in 12th house .. my 1st house is scorpio .. neptune in sag it is in 1st house...

4th house is pisces.. 10th house is virgo .... my 10th house has pluto and venus... 4th house is empty but neptune is well aspected...

so i gotta ask a question. is there anyway to tell by my chart whose characterericstics did i inherit?

thanks

posted July 17, 2003 04:04 PM              

10th house and 8th house moons are pretty independent in family matters.

As for Grandmas, mine was moon in aries, ascendant in Leo, and Mars in Sag and very independent so we got along great even though she was a Scorpio and my mother is too.

posted July 17, 2003 05:18 PM              

Maybe it's Neptune conjunct my moon that clouds my perception of my mother ... but as far as I am concerned, she is an Angel.

I haven't figured out how my moon really relates to my Mother at all.

posted July 17, 2003 11:48 PM              

donna cunningham wrote an excellent book about the moon which includes interpretations for the position and how it relates to your mother. its called moon signs. if anyone is interested in this topic id highly suggest you grab a copy. its a fairly old book so you could probably get a copy of it used for cheap. i think mine was from the mid 80's. it was given to me years ago.

white witch, i posted a fairly lengthy reply to you in i think it was proxiemes thread? the parent thread? i could say much of the same here... but i dont wanna be redundant. i rarely have my silly posts responded to anyway, unless i can be of service to someone, so theres no point in reposting it. ill leave it there. it was meant for anyone but i shared some of my experiences in the hopes it might help you a little. at the very least i feel solidarity with you, and much compassion.

jason, i wrote something quite awhile ago that might help you. it was a post on another board i go to, so ill reproduce it here and you can take from it what you wish.

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i was doing some reading about chiron and i came across something interesting. one of the other things that chiron signifies in a chart is the issues of the parents at the time of the childs birth, or at least according to information i got on a site tonight. my chiron is in aries, same as my moon, and i found this very fascinating. its in the third house too, and from what i know about the circumstances of my birth, i find it shockingly accurate.

the third house is the house of relatives, and mundane life issues, like balancing a checkbook... its also about communication and how siblings affect a person/how they view them (according to donna cunningham).

my third house has aries but is ruled by pisces and has my moon as well as chiron. im leaving the pisces part of it alone right now but it has me thinking, not in parental terms but in chiron itselfs terms.

my parents were both thinking primarily of themselves and were quite innocent (aries) and not communicating well at home (3rd house, chiron square mars, strained action toward effective communication) when i was born. theirs was a new marriage, a 'shotgun' wedding as it were, it was 1969 and men married women who they got pregnant back then, it was pretty much a given. i was wholly unplanned and my mother was oh... 5 months pregnant when they married? during the time of my birth i very much suspected for years that neither of them wanted me, or to be forced into a marriage with each other, and both probably were very selfish, having not married for love but for expediency. they were barely adults. i also found it interesting how pisces/aries were involved in the house of siblings because i always was sad and hurt that i had no siblings to keep me company... i was left to my own devices a lot and would have loved to have a brother or sister. i had make believe friends too. that doesnt really relate to the parental issues at time of birth, but it does sort of relate to chirons presence in the third.

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anyway that was a post i made awhile ago when i was learning about a lot of things... and i dunno, maybe it can help.

i have found that the moon isnt so much the way you relate to your folks as how your mother actually treats you, the kind of a mother she is. with your virgo moon it sounds very likely that she was very fussy and critical and upright, practical and proper with you... but i also bet that she did a lot of things for you, as virgo is also the sign of service. did she 'serve' you in some way? how was she when you were ill as a child? i bet she was quite a healing influence, very nursey, barring any other chart factors or aspects.

i believe the sun is how we relate with our folks, as it wouldnt be the rising sign, thats what we show to people in the general public that we dont know very well. the core of us, the us of us, is our sun, and a parent is intimate enough in our lives to see that. thats what it sounds like too in your description, you were very saggitary with your mum. i know i was definitely VERY libra with my mom.

posted July 18, 2003 12:49 AM              

I was adopted too, and found birthfamily -- I have a CancerMoon, and my bmom is a CancerSun, but the Cancer aspects with her are limited to my moon conjunct her Mercury (my TaurusMerc is conjunct her Moon). My bdad was a LeoSun and my AriesSun trines his closely.

I've been looking for info regarding adoption astro-signatures, but haven't found much out there. In general the cross-aspects and indicators seem as varied as any typical biological parent/child chart (go figya!). Certainly I have a lot of strong aspects with my family too (adoptive). What I have found, through my own small research and through that of an astrologer friend, is that usually Cancer is prominent in the chart in some way. Although it doesn't seem so with yours.

In this life I've lived, as opposed to one with biologically-connected relationships, my Moon is conjunct with my Mom's retrograde Venus -- lots love, but lotsa conflict too. Oh well.

posted July 18, 2003 01:15 AM              

i just wanted to point something out. donnas book that i mentioned says something interesting about cancer moons. sometimes this means the mother is a very cancery mother, but often it also means that the person will be separated by their mother for whatever reason. one of my best friends adopted her sisters daughter... and she has a cancer moon (the daughter). sure one person doesnt prove it... but i found it interesting as she was the only person i have known of with a cancer moon. i will find the book later and type out what she says if you are interested. she certainly puts it better than i. i barely remember what it said though, as i said i dont know many people with cancer moon, but i did remember that.

posted July 18, 2003 03:08 AM              

you are so friendly and intelligent (which is something i admire VERY much as you might have guessed), and just seem to have so many of the positive aspects of your sun. you have ego, but its not out of control. its a healthy ego to be sure. i am thankful that you exist, and are here.

thank you for teaching me to have an open mind

i must admit too from my meek lil ego that i was thrilled that you read and even mentioned my other post. thank you for that too. i needed it. ive been feeling lately like i dont have a voice, like my opinion just doesnt matter to anyone. i know im overwhelming at times, but still... i know there must be someone out there who appreciates what i have to say, at the very least the fact that i contribute, if not the content. what an accidental healer you are!

anyways yes, you are right (not that i know better than you, just confirming for the benefit of others). the moon has always been associated with ones mother, since ancient times. even people with a cancer *sun* are known to have 'mother' issues, they either hate her or love her and are very very tied to her. of course cancer is ruled by the moon. the issues are very intertwined.

same with saturn as the father. also the ic points to parent issues, as other factors in the chart do also. like i always say, theres more than one road to rome. if there is a concern in a chart there will be more than one indicator of that fact. sometimes we have to delve a little deeper to get into it, but its there.

posted July 18, 2003 03:09 AM              

some people with cancer moon can never get free of their mothers emotional grasp. i suppose in one way i am lucky to have that aries moon. its given me the strength to get away from mine, and that... is a very healthy thing. i had to separate emotionally from her. my moon helped me do just that. doesnt mean it doesnt hurt, but as long as i have a good friend or two who gives me guidance through life with my best interests at heart, it doesnt matter as much.

btw ally... mum is just british slang for mother of course, in canada we say mum too, as does australia, but americans seem to say mawm instead. i never really understood why. one of those cultural easter eggs i suppose.

posted July 18, 2003 09:40 AM              

Great topic Jason! Very interesting.
It got me looking at my chart, of course!

OK, I see my biological father very easily!
Saturn in Aquarius in the 8th. Since he had no part in my Life, and passed away shortly after I (finally) located him, this fits well.

My Mom...I am not sure how this works.
My Moon in Gemini in the 12th.
No one knows Mom's time of birth, so I can't cast a totally accurate chart for her, but I did find some strange aspects between us.

Her Mercury conjunct my Moon.
Her Moon & Venus conjunct my Mercury in Aries in 10th.
Her Sun conjunct my Venus in Taurus in 11th.

Not sure how to interpret all of that, but then I saw this...
Her Saturn conjunct my Cancer ASC. within minutes of exact!

Are there issues with my Mom? Oh yeah!!!

If anyone has any idea how to figure all this out, I'd sure appreciate it!

BTW, ana, I enjoy your posts very much! I've been away this past week, but I'm looking forward to continuing our conversation about souls!

posted July 18, 2003 10:21 AM              

I have the old poor you weakness too, I need to feel that others need me and I find it hard to love a Rock. I can't stand Iceberg people.

8th house moon and Scorpio moons, I have met a lot and they always have some issue with their parents, either they are orphans or feel distant and cold for some reason. Cancer and Scorpio Mercury can be judgemental too. I have a lot in common with water mercury's.

Saturn for me is in Taurus in the 5th. That fits because my father was a dreamer who made our early life hard even though we are financially good now. 5th house means sickness to me because I know 3 Saturn 5th houses and each has a father who was sick or a dependent on alcohol or good times.

posted July 18, 2003 02:51 PM              

Moon Square Mars 4°32
Moon Sextile Saturn 7°13
Moon Sextile Uranus 7°23
Moon Square Neptune 7°58

posted July 18, 2003 03:26 PM              

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badly aspected moon in cancer can be very awful to live with.

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i dont know if this is true, but if a crab grasps something with their claw, isnt it true that they cannot let go, and simply must drop the claw instead (eventually growing a new one) if they grasp tightly?

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Well, being a badly aspected cancer moon myself its not so much a case of dropping the claw, just getting it mangled a bit.

In terms of my relationship with my Mum, well - i generally made the seperation all the way from when i was 14 to a culmination when i was 18 - i moved out to uni the following year and after some escapades found i was able to paradoxically be more affectionate and closer to them as a result. They always took a supportive but firm (sortof saturnian - in the nice way!) role in my life, and i'd miss them sorely if i lost them for whatever reason but it wouldn't destroy me.

posted July 18, 2003 04:26 PM              

My dad is a Libra and in my chart it is ruling the 5th house which is ruled by the Sun/Leo.

Cool.

posted July 18, 2003 11:51 PM              

loony- that is very good! i can see that too, what you described, about your father being somewhat absent. uranus and therefore aquarius can mean 'interruption'. with your placing its quite clear, especially considering the house.

if this helps, i will write out the description of a gemini moon from my moon signs book. this is only the little part that describes ones mother, but perhaps you might get something from it. i should say here too and should have when i first mentioned this book that i personally find some of the interpretations a little negative. not necessarily for gemini moon, but other signs. i dont want anyone to feel that they are 'trapped' by someone elses interpretation of something in their chart, so if it doesnt apply to you then there are other interpretations out there that might fit better. every astrologer has their own personal opinions, and some might not apply to all... its up to us to use discretion and decide what our own personal truth is. donnas other book i have is really good but for some reason, certain things in the moon sign book seem a little negative. i say this too cause i am thinking i might type out all the signs 'mother in your moon' section for everyone here.

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moon in gemini- mom was an interesting person and never let the grass grow under her feet. always on the move, curious about everything in her environment, shed be classed as a kind of female peter pan. she was more like an older sister than a traditional mom- in fact in many cases an older sister did play the role of the mother and may be the person described here rather than the biological parent. responding positively to verbal development, she excelled during the 'why, mommy?' stage, fostering and even rewarding curiosity. there was a great deal of mental stimulation in the home and great emphasis on communication. she nurtured her childrens minds with far more attention than she devoted to the body, for tedious routine tasks made her skin crawl. confronted with a childs heartbreak, shed try to explain, talk it away, or change the subject. try to get her on the phone when your life is falling aparet, and the line will be busy... for hours.

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btw loony... i could take a close look at your aspects but i would rather do it later... i had a really bad day today and my marriage almost broke up, and it was pretty much my fault, i really hurt my husbands feelings today, inadvertantly but im still responsible and its killing me inside. im not feeling very well today for that reason... im sorta just floating around the forum today but dont feel particularily focussed. i dont think id do a good job today.