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Apple
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posted October 07, 2003 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello star children.

aries sun, scorpio asc, sag moon here.

ive noticed this trend every fall/winter from about october to december. its like some sort of hibernation or better yet, death. mmm the stench of the dark seasons, even here in california.

also it seems every passing year, i become more and more unlike my 'birth rite'. i cant tell if im gradually becoming some monsterous sociopathic ******* or what. p:

all theories welcome.

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lioneye68
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posted October 07, 2003 11:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're simply growing and progressing, and consequently morphing into a modified (new and improved) version of yourself. Have you seen your progressed chart? If not, go to Astro.com and have a look. I'll bet your progressed Sun is in Taurus now, and your progressed Ascendant in Saggie.

Also, there's a thing called "Seasonal Affective Disorder", that renders people useless, lethargic slugs in the cooler seasons (well, winter). But I can't see a Californian being affected by that, being that it's pretty well summer all year long there.

Maybe you just need a change.

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Sun_Scorpion
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posted October 07, 2003 11:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, lioneye my Mum has that, she gets really depressed October, Nov, and Dec.
I think its also something to do with the light!! Turn on all the lights bright and notice you feel happier!!

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theFajita3
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posted October 07, 2003 11:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes light does affect our moods a great deal!

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Motherkonfessor
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posted October 08, 2003 02:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will add my voice to the others, agreeing that it is a lack of light that causes the early winter hibernation mode.. altho we aspire to a greater consciousness, we will sometimes still respond to the biological cues within our physical plane.

It can be overcome....GIGO..

Or you can think of it as such.. and if this gets beyond your comfort threshold, i apologize. To me, New Years Day is an arbitrary ending to a unit of time. Can you not feel it in your bones that the year really ends after harvest time? Right around Hallow's Eve? Even as a child, before I started exploring alternatives to my religious upbringing, it felt "right" that the cycle ends in mid fall, and the new beginning is waiting under cover of a still earth.......

or hey, its just me being fruity. Try being Virgo Sun, Libra Moon, Scorp Asc. It makes me absoluting sure I know everything... MAYBE.

hahahah. Anyways, your feeling seems perfectly normal.. on a cellular and/or spiritual level. Try to get outside in sunlight about 30 minutes a day between noon and 3 pm. It helped me deal with SADS without a nasty chemical prescription or overpriced sunlamps.

Cheers!!

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Ika
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posted October 08, 2003 09:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does "progressed sun" and "progressed ascendant" mean?? That your sun and ascendant signs have changed?

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lioneye68
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posted October 08, 2003 09:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More like you've begun "learning ahead", like in school when they start prepping you for the next grade.
You're still whatever you were born as, but you're looking to the next phase, and feeling more and more comfortable with it.

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Apple
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posted February 24, 2004 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello again, i went into hibernation by the time i meant to reply back.

maybe its SADS, but the trends were always caused by an external source - or the external was manifested by subconscious thoughts? perhaps, and i purposely put 'were' as this passing winter was very introspective but not bad.

i have the book -planets in transit- by robert hand, which i read prior to my downtime. i cannot remember which transit (forgive me) but i do remember it stating that it was a time when i needed to really reflect and learn to deal with my emotions. unlike prior winters, i did go in prepared this time - posted this, asked my libra friend to help me out if needed and generally expected the bad - all being very very unlike me!

i am probably the sheep type of aries but i do find myself not as emotionally retarded anymore and being aware of the bad traits of my sun sign, makes me less of an aries? i talk to my libra friend about arian traits a lot as her boyfriend and another close friend are both aries. we had our aries-libra tiffs, but our friendship has smoothed out since the big blow out. its amusing for both of us because her relationships with the other 2 aries are largely textbook, although this time she is prepared (so to speak). instances between them made me realize that i have subconsciously shed many arian traits.

im simply growing up, right? (*eyes lioneye*)

motherkonfessor - maybe in YOUR virgo bones! contrary to your FALL way of thinking, the year does not begin until SPRING for me.

btw, thanks for the thoughts all.

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astro junkie
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posted February 25, 2004 12:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apple -

I thought of SADS too... it used to affect me even down here in sunny Florida. Now I turn lights on all over the place and take a walk in the sun... it hasn't affected me nearly as bad the last few years!

Also, perhaps you feel it coming on towards the end of September, when Libra Sun is in power, opposing your Aries Sun. Maybe things trip you up and you take it too much to heart, and you end up staying on the ride when you should have jumped off.

Then the other time of weakness for Aries is when the Sun is in the sign of Pisces, which is late Feb and most of March. It's when the Sun finally goes into Aries when you feel on top.

As for not feeling like your sign anymore, Lioneye68 may be right. I'm not the same Libra or even the same Moon, or Rising now as I was much younger. And you may have found something out about yourself astrologically which you've been trying to deny or trying to strive for... know what I mean? Like sometimes it take a while to deal with such powerful information about ourselves astrologically. Is there anything you've been stuck on?

And then there's SO MUCH more about it... your Houses and Aspects... and no, there's no easy answers to ANY of this that any one person can help you with. Some of us have been in this for decades, and we are still learning.

BTW - You are the type who NEEDS the outdoors and movement as much as she needs oxygen. So why do you end up hibernating? Get a job involving travel or exploring!! Or is someone or something making you second-guess yourself?

.gloria

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Apple
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posted February 26, 2004 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the libra sun also opposes my venus and mercury in the 6th house and conjuncts pluto in the 12th house. hmm, makes plenty sense but will have to look into the other transits in november and december again. that bit about staying on riding when i shouldve jumped off hits the nail - moreso because i never thought i NEEDED to reflect. i tried to invertedly stay around people because i thought it would make me feel good. its almost as if the bad circumstances were forcing me to 'jump off'. these bad circumstances were the kind that made me question everything - especially my ideals and even my existence.

this past winter i took a different route and things turned out pretty OK. im not too sure if i need the hibernation this coming winter but i knew i needed it this past one. i also vaguely remember the transit (the one i cant remember) is supposedly a positive one and if i didnt deal with my emotions, they would always haunt me. also due to a very traumatic upbringing, i am emotionally cold most of the time so emotions hit me like a monsoon.

the one arian trait that always nags me in the back of my mind is the selfish or self-centered one. ah ha! sweet epiphany! haha. i love you libras, constantly making me realize things i should already know. perhaps this nagging makes me not want to talk about my problems when they arise as i do not want to be an inconvenience to anyone or bring others down with me - thus hibernation. i guess the person second guessing myself is essentially me. NOW i get lindas words of staying true to your sun sign! we become quite self destructive if we dare not. sure i understood it the very first time i read those words, but now i UNDERSTAND.

on another note, do you know of any reliable (done by hand) natal chart source i could buy online? personally, the astro.com one is largely off when i read the houses and aspects. almost made me want to burn my astrology books. i tried making mine and being a novice, i am certain its not up to par. i cannot wait until i feel competent enough in astrology to actually help people, instead of the other way around (yes, that voice is still nagging..working on it.. ).

much thanks gloria...

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astro junkie
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posted February 26, 2004 11:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Apple -

No prob...

So what's in your chart which makes you put people on a pedestal? Puts them higher, makes them greater in your eyes than they really are?

I'm interested in knowing if there's truth to it...

As for feeling bad about being an Aries, I've said this before here, I absolutely adore Aries women. Something about them just inspires me... well... I sort of know why in terms of astrology. But for now just know, you CANNOT control what people think of you. So just chill out...

As for good paid reports, I'm so finicky about paying for reports, and I did try a couple, both from Astrology.com. But one I REALLY HIGHLY recommend is their "Single Sky Report"... and they're not that expensive...

Holler back...

.gloria

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Apple
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posted February 27, 2004 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well off the top of my head, the arian influence does make me put people on a pedestal, refusing to look at their clay feet (as linda put it in sun signs).

its not that i really care about what people think of me and i am definitely not concerned with controlling what they think of me. its moreso i am appalled at selfishness and egotistic-ness. these aspects of arian traits make me detest myself. so i am basically concerned with how i view myself. i run the gamut of love and hate towards myself, without relation to what other people think.

my piscean mom probably has a great indirect influence on me to 'serve' instead of take. many times i have asked her why she isnt more selfish just to have a healthier medium. another thing is that im better at listening than talking so am more comfortable with helping others instead.

i just want a dependable detailed natal chart that i can refer to when needed. what is the single sky report one about?

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astro junkie
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posted February 27, 2004 12:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok... would you entertain questioning whether or not you have a warped perception of yourself?


The Single Sky Report is for spinsters like me and tells you what you're "putting out there" and how to better your chances. It's really unique, (cuz you know I seen them all already)...

You can go and look at one of their sample so you can get an idea of what it is...

It's difficult to surf that site sometimes, so here's the page it's on:
http://my5s.astrology.com/scripts/runisa.dll?AO.197176:ROMANCESHOP:1144406270.3639

.gloria

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Apple
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posted February 27, 2004 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
at those times of need, my perception is most likely warped. i think that is also a factor for the hibernation - complete inability to look at things objectively thus inability to express myself. on a tangent - read that you love jung, im guessing youre familiar with the myers briggs type indicator...finding out i am a 'intp' personality type did give me more insight than astrology did. (definitely wouldnt mind knowing yours..do share)

most of the year i might have those thoughts nagging in the back of my head but they are in the back of my head and dont cause much ruckus. somewhat 'happy-go-lucky' at these times and things slide off my back in a matter of minutes. no worries right now.

the single sky report sounds interesting. thanks - though pretty iffy about astrology.com also saying that i am a sag asc, i might do it for kicks.

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astro junkie
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posted February 27, 2004 09:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm really not one to talk, regarding hibernation. If you've been reading my posts here, you know I'm a hardcore hermit, and always too chicken to get out there and "strut my stuff" lately.

It could be a lot of things.

As for the personality type, yeah... years back I was a INTJ and now I'm an INFP... thats Introvert, Intuitive, Feeling, Perceptive.

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Apple
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posted February 29, 2004 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you dont seem to me that you are too chicken to do anything. you seem to have some big cojones yourself. maybe i missed something, but was there something in particular that made you afraid to get out there?

i might be anti-social but am not shy at all. perhaps it is because you have issues with society as it is? i find that to be the case with many strong-willed librans who are interested in the masses.

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posted February 29, 2004 01:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Apple -

Thanks for that insight about my conjones... I do have them in certain ways... more prounced in that I do not follow the crowd, and I think things out for myself.

I think my Mercury, Mars & Neptune in Scorp give me conjones. So does my Uranus in Leo Fire Singleton, and Aries in my 12th House Cusp. Scorpio in my 7th House Cusp. Aqua MC. My Jupiter & Saturn in Capricorn help give me the tenatiousness, but they also cause A LOT of melancholy.

I've said before that one of the things keeping me grounded is my wanting to be married for the first time in my life. Because I lack fire in my chart, the only real motivational sign is my Mars in Scorpio, which flies like a butterfly and stings like a bee when it comes to dating.

I'm not good at extended "courtings", I like to get in there and see how the plumbing works. But has all that been working for me? Not really, which is why I'm afraid to make mistakes.

And it's true what you said about society in general. I'm not good at small-talk at all, and I'm very uncomfortable in big crowds.

But I'm on the verge of a huge revelation, and I graciously give some credit to the Knowflakes for giving me a platform for further self-discovery...

If you have any suggestions for a single girl who is Demi Moore years old, let me know.

Thanks.

.gloria

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