posted October 15, 2003 07:56 AM              

OK, I understand that I'll probably have to take care of the other's money for life. *sigh*. But at least that is something tangible & workable (rather Saturnian concepts). But 8th is also the house of intimacy & sex. How can one find the ways to use Saturnian energy positively there?

posted October 15, 2003 12:19 PM              

I think part of the solution is just getting past the stage of nervous tension, in terms of sex that is. Usually, time takes care of that. There's some good to this as well, in that when the matters of that house are mastered (which is what Saturn demands of us), you can accomplish amazing things. And if we're talking about 8th house here, well that's exciting, don't you think?? But it does mean it's not a cake walk getting there.

Saturn is where we feel constricted, burdened, fearfull, dreading, and we have a sense that alot is expected of us here. We can eithor hide from it and suffer Saturn's wrath when transits spotlight it, or we can take the necessary steps to deal with those issues, thoughtfully, carefully and consistantly.

Also, Saturn in the 8th indicates longevity, as the 8th is the house of death, and it also means staying power in struggles to do with the 8th house...wills, inheritances, debt...You could also enjoy sex well into your senior years. That's not all bad, Aen!

posted October 15, 2003 02:02 PM            

I don't know that it causes too much repression sexually, but we can be late bloomers (I also have a 4th house Sun). I have always been cautious about sex...which isn't a bad thing as I am a Sag and we are known for thrown caution to the wind. In my case, it has made me really consider the ramifications of causal sex.

In a negative way though, it can cause intolerance towards certain sexual behaviour. I have an almost prudish thing about people denegrating sex into a "dirty act". What I mean by that is when I hear people referring to sexual actions in a crude way, it makes my stomach turn. Like, my friend was teasing awhile back about getting my semi cold-fish sister-in-law and shirt for her son that says "I am proof my mommy f***s". For some reason it really put me off.

Or like the time when my bf and I had been talking about flirting and I asked if it bothered him to see guys hitting on me. He said "Hell no, I have been all up in that and no one else gets that chance". Well, he was trying to be cute, but my lamo Taurus 8th house Saturn just whacked him with a verbal zinger and I wouldn't talk to him for at least a day. That's not real fun for a Leo, to be ignored. His Saturn is in his 12th house, so he has his own issues.

Sexually, I am not repressed, but I am also a bit "shy". I have to feel comfortable before being able to jump in, but that doesn't prevent me from being spontaneous with someone I love and trust. I am not big on outward displays of affection and may come across as somewhat cold at first, but that is extremely deceiving.

Look to your other planets as well. I have my Sun, Venus and Moon in fire signs and Mars is in Pisces forming a Sextile with Saturn. They seem to work together to tempers somethings, but if out of hand, can cause me to run into my shell or get toooooo flirty!!!

In 8th house matters I find that I use my stamina to fight for other people and their money, such as in agreements or working with friends and their land issues.

posted October 15, 2003 02:16 PM              

I have a Capricorn Moon in the 8th house. Different energy than the Saturn planet itself, but the sign is there.

posted October 15, 2003 02:30 PM            

I can totally see where he is coming from, but I don't totally get to that extreme, where I won't be in the mood. Well, I guess it depends. With Mr. Leo, I have never found myself not in the mood (even when I am peeved - when we didn't talk for a day, I was on the road, but if we had been in close proximity, it wouldn't have lasted).LOL..that might be due to my Sun's influence.

But, I have been more "totally put off", with other boyfriends, to the point where I have found some to be totally undesirable after they have made certain comments. I do blush easy when it comes to sex or if I make an unintential innuendo, but I do enjoy the verbal playing....but like Saturn, I have to be somewhat in control of where it is going.

Oh and this might be totally rude and maybe it is a Saturn thing as well, but maybe Aen has experienced this. Well, if I am with a guy, and it doesn't have to be while having sex, it can just be making out or playing around, if they appear to "desperate" or "needy", you know, like they are out of control, then I get totally turned off. I mean, I can't even look at them the same way. I feel more comfortable with the quiet guy that has more of a smoldering sexuality that comes out later, when the time it right. But if someone is looking at me like I am a piece of pizza and they are totally starving, it annoys me.

Am I a prude or just a total control freak? Aphrodite, having a Cappy moon in the 8th, do you find that to be the case sometimes? What about you Aen, or Lioneye, does your bf act like that?

posted October 15, 2003 02:58 PM              

I tend to keep a distance and low-profile when there are overt displays I personally don't want to be part of. I do have an interest in learning about sexuality and applying it in a thoughtful, and more emotional context. Eroticism, I suppose. Carlo once wrote something about Capricorns and books when it comes to sex, don't recall exactly but I said to myself, "Geez that's me."

I agree with you about control when dancing on these physical lines. Personally, I make it a point to always try to get as much information as possible about a person's dating and sexual history. My Saturn is in Virgo

The other issue similarly along your context is, I don't care how much I like the guy or how attractive he is, I simply won't go any further than being platonic if he says cheap innuendos or lays on the intent too thick. If he is embarassing me in public doing those things, out the door I go.

posted October 15, 2003 03:36 PM              

*giggle*

But I have never felt comfortable with promiscuity, instead I find one partner to get nasty with. hmmmmm.. I need to learn more about this aspect..

posted October 15, 2003 03:44 PM              

Anyway sexy as he is, he didn't become sexually active until he was 24, and now that he's 38, he's only been with 4 women, one was apparently a mistake (and a very aggressive lady) and the other 3 were/are long term relationships, which I am one of.

posted October 15, 2003 03:52 PM            

You should feel honored. LOL Actually, we do screen our mates carefully. The Leo guy made me feel the same. I had butterflies in my stomach before we met ( I was on a flight to Idaho). Then he walked in to the meeting, sat across from me and we were both speechless.

I worried that since he was a Leo that maybe he had more than his fair share of the ladies, but I was totally wrong. In fact, we have discovered new things together and we both had our fears of opening up to that.

Aphrodite,

That is so cool!!! I bought a book about Love, Sex and Magick and have been checking out others on Tantric meditiation and sexual yoga. Since I am with someone that is more spiritual than any other dude I have known, it has made it easier for me to let myself go and look into these kinds of elements without feeling weird. I can call him up or when we are together I can say "Hey, I read about this,what do you think". He is flattered that I have been looking up things for us to try, because I am still kind of a geek!

posted October 15, 2003 04:05 PM              

He and I have been dating since May this year. The book was a gift before we officially dated. We were just friends at the time. Nah, I didn't feel weird. It was funny because I was reading a book about Atlantis, then stopped. He asked why I did that . . . I told him I was reading a new book, The Multi-Orgasmic Couple. He laughed so hard

So now you know the story

posted October 15, 2003 04:48 PM              

I have Kama Sutra oil. Big bottle. Econo size.

Aphrodite, I bet you totally piqued his curiosity about you when you told him that. He laughed, but I bet he was turned on by it.

posted October 15, 2003 05:04 PM            

I think it tends to be one of the harsher aspects to deal with, but nothing is impossible. My Sun and Venus Oppose my dudes Venus and my Pluto Square his Venus and Mars. His Pluto square my venus as well, but it opposes my Mars.

posted October 15, 2003 05:15 PM              

there is a thread in soul unions called, "has this happened to you too?" where the charts look astrologically great, but the potentials don't work out. then there are charts that theoretically shouldn't work out, but they do!

perhaps you can share your thoughts about this.

in "old school" astrology, saturn says No! to everything in square or opposition aspects. flowery language like "Kill" or "Doom" was common. in the end, all we have to answer to is this: did we love the best we can? not even astrology can answer that.

posted October 16, 2003 02:46 PM              

Lioneye

I am Cappy to start with so *late bloomer* stuff comes naturally. I'm one of those who has no nostalgia about school-years or even early twenties. Everything that come later, has been better. Even the hard stuff has turned to something good or at least created the suitable empty space for somethjing good to come. (That includes tSaturn square nMoon depression). I am generally well aware this tendency in all other areas, but this time I forgot to look back where I come from. Your post made me realize that I've become much more comfortable and open than when I was younger. Saturn return made marked difference, when I think of it now. Thank you!

Pidaua

Retro Saturn in Taurus here too.

"I have an almost prudish thing about people denegrating sex into a "dirty act". What I mean by that is when I hear people referring to sexual actions in a crude way, it makes my stomach turn."

The same here, but I've guessed it comes because Venus in 3rd. All verbal expression must be kind, considerate, nice and harmonius. Talk is very important in romance. I mean flowers, gifts and gazing the starlit sky hand in hand is just great, but to win me over - sense of humour and wit have to be there first.

Control (letting it go) is where I struggle. And since letting go is so difficult, the "desperate and needy" who expect me to make decision (being in control) turn me off INSTANTLY. Does it make sense?

Aphrodite

"I don't know if you've noticed this too Aen, but the people I have in my intimate sphere are a lot more eccentric, and can be classified as "difficult" people. Saturn has a tendency to attract those types."

I have noticed it!!! I always *blamed* the 5th hs ruler Uranus for that. :O Looks like I've failed to notice several Saturn gifts that are already here.

Of Capricorns and books... well, I love reading. I think I should go and find the books mentioned in this thread and study them. I got out my fear to cook by reading through two cook books - now it is my favaourite creative hobby. I just don't understand why it hasn't occurred me ever before to use the similar approach to sex.

posted October 16, 2003 03:00 PM            

Guess what? I have my Venus in the 3rd house too!!! It's in Sagittarius and Aquarius rules most of my 5th house. Actually, I am a late Virgo rising, so Libra takes up most of my First house and so on.

posted October 17, 2003 03:39 AM              

I think we have some similarities.

posted October 17, 2003 11:50 AM              

"Everything that came later,has been better." Absolutely. No nostolgia for those high-school or twenty something years either. Maybe just a bit for the earlier stuff.

Aprodite - Always, inevitably I have attracted EVERY "difficult", "eccentric" sort within a 5 mile radius. God help me. Always wondered why.