posted November 01, 2003 10:06 AM              

Sooo...who out there has a t-square or two going on? If you do, what are the planets, signs, and houses involved? How have you noticed your particular T-Square manifest? How do you deal/not deal or have you dealt/not dealt with the energies associated with your placement? Any tips for others?

I'll start (well, kinda-sorta):
I've a 5th House Piscean Sun, 2nd House Saggie Neptune, and 11th House Virgoan Saturn T-Square goin' on w/ the "empty leg" around 22 Gemini in my 8th House.
How I've not dealt with it: I'm guessing that this pattern of events can be traced back to this t-square, so here it goes...
When I'm not interested and/or engaged in at least something in my environment- if I'm not exploring or solving or enrapt -, I fall into a deep, very Saturn-Neptune playing botchie-ball w/ my Sun, depression.

posted November 01, 2003 12:45 PM              

Well...I have a T-Square involving Venus in the 2nd (Taurus), Pluto in the 6th (Leo), and Saturn in the 8th (Scorpio) [Venus and Saturn opposite to the degree]; the "empty leg" being Aquarius/11th (where my Chiron happens to be, though it isn't in aspect to the T-Square degree-wise).

How this has manifested...sigh.

Loss and/or deprivation of some of the basics, like love/adequate finances. Multiple betrayals in both areas. Sometimes feeling like a pawn of the fates, and though I'm only from the younger part of the Baby Boomer generation, feeling as though I've lived SEVERAL lifetimes already. Since Pluto, Scorpio and the 8th house are about transformation, this is very pronounced for me because my Moon and Juno are exactly conjunct, with Saturn too, in both Scorpio and the 8th, and Pluto is the apex of the T-Square.

How I've dealt with this? Being a FIXED T-Square, it's taken me a looong time...but I am finally learning to use Aquarius' talent of detachment...stepping back and allowing (situations, people, etc.) to just BE. Not trying to control; not feeling like a helpless victim either. Reminding myself that everything which happens, does so for a reason; and because I believe we design our charts/life circumstances before birth, understanding that I alone, am responsible for how I react to events that are potentially life-destroying.

posted November 01, 2003 01:54 PM              

T Square = Mars Aries7, square Uranus Cancer5, square Saturn Virgo29'50. Lol, 10 more minutes and it woulda been Libra. Don't know if i should act like this is a Grand Square or not, but have Chiron Capricorn2.

This T has more than anything been related to the negative relationship with my father. Details are ugly, so i will abstain. I would say there will not be any resolution to this problem now, as he is deceased with all ugliness intact. Hmmm -- tho i still have to live with this -- only thing for me to do is to FORGIVE him -- and i STILL working on it, as his cruel intentions still live through one of my brothers.

And relative to Rev. Alice's comments that out of signs should be treated as inconjuncts -- well, i already got EIGHT of those he11ish aspects, boo hoo, do i need ANOTHER ONE??

posted November 02, 2003 09:26 AM              

Okie, here's a chart w/ a T-Square:

Actually, there're two there...
a Saturn (in Scorpio in the 12th)/Sun (in Aqua in the 3rd)/Moon (in Taurus in the 6th) T-Square and a Pluto (in the 11th in the very last degrees of Libra, being an out-of-sign opposition and square to the other two members of the T-Square)/Sun (which both Pluto and Saturn are squared to)/Moon (which both Pluto and Saturn are opposed to) one.

Again, just to clarify, the two T-Squares found in this chart involve
1) Pluto, the Sun, and the Moon
and
2) Saturn, the Sun, and the Moon

If you then draw a line directly opposing the planet that's only squared by the two others (in this case being the Sun), you'll find the "empty leg" of the T-Square...

In this chart, that point falls on or about 1 degree Leo in the 9th House.

Including that, you then have a Grand Square or a Grand T-Square/Cross (a fixed Grand Square here).

T-Squares are inherently difficult to work with; they're full of energy. But, differing from some other "difficult" aspects, T-Squares give you a point to focus that energy. If you work on the area that has no planet in it, you can kinda give your wobbly 3-legged stool of an aspect pattern a 4th leg.
They can actually be a great asset if one works with them.

For example, this is the chart of one of the most absolutely groovy people that I know:

He's worked his way up from being a farmboy to being an infantry officer, then a helicopter pilot, and then an officer working on the Missle Defense system, all while managing to stay (or become, I'm not sure) one of the most modest, family-oriented men I've ever met. (Of course, his personal planets couldn't've hurt on that last part)

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TCross15.1.htm

posted November 02, 2003 10:35 AM              

You'll have to get someone a lot better than me to answer those questions

posted November 02, 2003 10:48 AM              

What have i done wrong?

bwaaah

Nackie

posted November 02, 2003 11:16 AM              

If you want it to stay up, save it and then upload it onto some personal web space, linking to that.

posted November 02, 2003 01:56 PM              

Still, the point would be on the Moon correct? so the opposite of that would be Capricorn in the 2nd house? I still have no clue what to do about that. My sun is already Taurus and it doesn't help me much with finances or recognition, I work with people but I do not feel intensely ambitious in terms of monetary gain. Money is the root of all evil, sometimes if it make you feel good about yourself, it's certainly not an ego boost for me.

An astrologer told me the point was on Venus in Aries, but how could that be since it's opposite Uranus? he was adamant about that. I do attract a lot of Libras..

posted November 02, 2003 02:56 PM              

And Nackie, I agree with proxieme about the empty leg representing where you have to direct the energy. It was explained by said mentor that by focusing on the energy of the sign represented by the missing leg and utilizing it, this would help "balance" the energy of the other 3 squaring signs, which theoretically lessens the tension existing between them. To me, it makes sense. A while back in the Lunar Scorpio thread, this was discussed at length re my chart, and my experience has been that having several Aquarian (the sign opposite Leo which is the Apex of my T-Square) friends in my life has helped me a lot in terms of learning from them about detachment, among other traits this wonderful sign possesses.