posted November 05, 2003 03:48 PM              

OK, I am REALLY curious about this aspect.

If anyone here has any information about what dynamics are truly created between a child and their mother as an effect of this aspect, I am very interested in hearing about it.

If an astrologer were to paint a mental picture of the relationship between a child and their mother and what it would all be like in the case of this aspect here...

what exactly might it look and sound like anyway?

Particularly and specifically if the Moon is in Leo in the Fifth House...

and Saturn is in Taurus in the First House as well?

Thanks for any help that you can offer about this.

posted November 06, 2003 07:35 AM              

Your Moon opposition Saturn indicates depth of understanding but it also indicates periods of pessimism. You take life seriously, and no event or relationship is ever casual or superficial.
You relate better to older people, and even in childhood you associated more easily with adults than with those your own age.
Your professional opportunities may be limited unless you can become more optimistic. You will function better if you can be self-employed or can at least exercise self- determination in performing tasks. It is important that you establish your own goals and construct a plan of action to realize them. (...)
You will probably seek a person who is strong in character, self-disciplined, and demanding. If you have successfully modified your attitude toward people so that you are not on the defensive you would enjoy having a liberal-minded mate who could help you exploit your potentials to their fullest.
Frequent rest is advised, and try to get away occasionally from the pressure of everyday routine.

:-/

posted November 06, 2003 10:14 AM              

THANK YOU so much!

I don't have this aspect myself, but someone I am very curious about does however, and it would help me so much to know as much as possible about this aspect, and what effects it has upon their relationship with their mother, as well as what effects it has upon their life in general, and on their relations with the opposite sex once they grow up in particular, especially if they are a man, and they have difficulties with women as a result of it.

Oh, and am I correct in understanding from your posts that you are pregnant now, or am I misreading them or something, lol?!

Well, if you are really pregnant, then major congragulations to you in that case!

And if I misunderstood this for some reason, then I'm sorry and I'm going to go hide my head in embarrasment right now, lol!

posted November 06, 2003 11:48 AM              

Moon Square Saturn - generates a condition of melancholia and unhappiness. Unless other factors in natal chart indicate differently, the individual views life as a bleak and unhappy place, and lacks emotional vitallity.

There is often a Mother complex or other inhibition steming from their early childhood experiences, making them emotional prisoners of the past.

Unconsciously their early memories block their present emotional fulfillment. All in all this aspect gives a lackluster, gloomy, and moody disposition. It also often results in a man who can not deal easily with woman, and is shy and awkard around them.

The key to handling this aspect is to bring the past experiences into your conscious mind, accept them, give forgiveness to others and self, and move on. Your memories can only control you when you refuse to acknowledge and face them.

Moon Oppose Saturn - Much of the same type of thing that the square indicates, but unable to break away from thier ties to their family, particulary their mother. In this aspect however, its not just the mother, but includes both parents.

Their tendency to judge current relationships by their past relationships makes it difficult for them to develop new and productive relationships.

They may also perceive that they have heavy parental responsibilities, which may or maynot be true.

It is difficult for others to respond positively to them because of their inability to give postive and warm feelings to others.

posted November 06, 2003 12:36 PM              

(...) In some ways the Moon symbolizes what the parents have been and where the longing is greattest for an emotional rapport and instinctual closeness which will replace the comfort of the ancient umbilical tie.
There is the suggestion with Moon-Saturn contacts, including the "soft" aspects, that the experiences of childhood have been structured and defined along Saturnian lines and that there has been rather a lot of emphasis on duty and on the appropriate forms of behvior. (re: Jason: Can anyone say, "Colonel as a Father?") Sometimes Moon-Saturn contacst are concurrent with a childhood which is difficult because of financial reasons; sometimes there is an abundance of material comfort but little warmth or spontaneity of emotional expression. The mother is frequently undemonstrative, or a disappointment in some way. Many Moon-Saturn people carry a well-defined stamp of emotional close-fistedness which infers a long past of learning to control the feelings - beginning at an age where feelings, freely expressed, are the only outlet a child possesses for communication. There is often a brooding lonliness about this contact, and even with the apparent stability and steadfastness which are typical of the easier aspects, there is an aloofness and isolation which is not easily broken. (...) Often a deep lonliness and needfulness is present with Moon-Saturn, particularly for the security of emotional bonds which only a family with its sense of blood relationships and continuity can provide. There is a need for roots, for tradition, and for the physical structure of the family unit. (...)
The early home life is of primary importance in the shaping of the Moon-Saturn personality characteristics. (...) Both parents are represented by this contact and not in the kindest of fashions. The suggestion of a "business before pleasure" attitude is strong. (...)
What this kind of pattern does pychologically varies depending upon whether the individual is a man or a woman; it also varies because the bias of the rest of the chart may suggest the usual wide spectrum of apparent expressions of Saturn, ranging from the close and withdrawn emotional temperament one might expect, to the apparently effusive and sentimental temerament wich Saturn so easily demonstrates as compensation. (...)
The Moon in a man's chart has some bearing on his choice in a female partner since this is affected by the temerament of his mother and the kind fo relationship he had with her. As a symbol of his own female side, the Moon usually suggests those qualities which are likely to be projected upon a wife or lover; (...) Moon-Saturn contacts suggest that some difficulties are to be expected both in a man's relationship with his own unconscious and in his relationships with women as the living symbol of his female self. (...) Because the feeling nature is rarely permitted acknowledgement let alone expression, the Moon-Saturn man is likely to attract women of a particularly instinctual and dominant nature into his life, and the voracious lunar goddess, flanked by her bestial symbols, which has been denied integration in his own psyche, will usually appear as a woman in his personal life. Just as he is inwardly at the mercy of his moods and feeligns - one fo the typical characteristics of Moon-Saturn - he is also at the mercy of his women through the vulnerability and the childishness of his feeling nature. (...)
Moon-Saturn contacts are important in a man's chart although all too often the man will attempt to side-step the challenge and bury himself in practial affairs which take his mind off of the lonliness and vulnerability which constantly nag at him from within.

posted November 06, 2003 12:56 PM              

Yup, we're-a expectin':

posted November 06, 2003 01:06 PM              

I believe that each planet's energy blends with other planets to form a Gestalt of the different parts.

When a particular aspect is triggered by a transit, it is likely to be more apparent, than at other times.

posted November 06, 2003 02:25 PM              

Oh my gosh, you're the hero of my day here right now, lol. Wow! That is some cool information you came up with for me there. I have got to get some of these books written by Ms. Liz Greene myself soon.

If her works can't be found for sale on amazon.com, can you think of any other place where they might be ordered from if they're no longer available on bookstore shelves?

And do you have the specific name of this particular book on Saturn that you got all of this information from too?

THANKS SO MUCH, and...

lol, that is a great baby butt shot your wee one has there too!

Lanny,

Thank you to you too! That tidbit you supplied about a man being shy and awkward around a woman if they do have this aspect sounds SO familiar to me where this person is concerned right now.