posted November 13, 2003 03:19 AM              

Hugs,

posted November 13, 2003 07:18 PM              

I think Virgos do get some bad press, but only because you are hard on yourselves.

Is it sort of like, people come up to you and yell at you because you haven't called, and when you do pick up the phone to call that person, they are on the other line calling you instead and yell at you because you are lying, they always have to track you down? Again? Maybe you need some separation from your scorpio friend but are feeling guilty about it? Possibly that's not your problem? Get caller ID, finish your studies and tell your scorpio buddy that you will take him out for a big meal with free drinks at the end of the semester.

Then keep telling him that everytime he whines.

Friendship is not perfect, it's not even good 364 days of the year. Tell him that for me, that if he gets one day, it better be good. In fact you better make it the best day ever, because there could be no tomorrow. As a matter of fact, as we discover, tomorrow never happens. It's always the same damn thing. So take what you can now, because you've got to get it while you can. You have to get all the good times you can on that day. And today is just not that day.

If that doesn't make him think, then nothing will. Then leave him alone to brood on his own. We all need thoughts and time to ourselves, and you have to set limits on your time for everyone other than yourself.

Don't feel guilty, Guilt SUCKS.
See www.astro.com for the scientific analysis.

posted November 13, 2003 10:24 PM              

Cheers!

posted November 14, 2003 04:49 AM              

*hugs*

posted November 14, 2003 05:32 AM              

well, not one pairing is farfetched probably... it's just that I can't make sense out of my dear male Leo on the other side ° °. Like you wonder why we always want to feel guilty about something.

Err, I do not *want* to feel guilty, 'cause it makes me feel horrible, but it just happens. Think it has to do with our/my everlasting habit of wanting to do well for others, which often ends in me disregarden myself. Ridiculous, I know, but it's my nature. I really have to pay attention to my actions if I want to avoid 'serving' others.

Since I'm talking to a Leo here... would you mind if I ask about why Leos do what they do? *sighs* It's a long story to be honest, part of it is already online here, but I'm not sure if you feel like reading the whole thing so just let me know if you do... dun want to bore you out of your mind *grins*.

In any way, thanks already ^_^.

*hug*

posted November 14, 2003 05:47 AM              

first of all: *laughs* Love the text! ^________^ Thanks so much, you got me laughing again. *huggle*

yeah, I guess I can make it harder on myself than I ought to °_° 'cause I ponder way too much. Small things happen and I'm off on some downward spin. Although I must say I'm doing better, at the moment I'm quite weak towards both that Scorp and the Leo (more to the Leo *blushes*).

My Scorpio friend is a sweetie, in four years time we never, ever had any argument and that's exceptional.. I think. But lately, the last five or six weeks we haven't heard that much from each other. He was quite busy and troubled with several women in his life, which he updated me on now and then, so all was well. I was stuck with that Leo, but I didn't feel like bothering my Scorpio friend with it, since he already had enough on his mind.

So now I get blamed for not telling him what happened to me lately. For starters: I didn't feel like telling him 'bout the Leo just yet, for I didn't even know myself what there was to tell. Secondly: no one was keeping my Scorp friend from picking up the phone and just have a friendly chat, now was there? He was just waiting for the next time I came online and blew up on me. I felt miserable at that moment, so I just apologised and said I'd tell'm everything later on. "Yeah, in 7 years." was his reaction. I'm just angry 'cause I don't think I asked for such a treatment, certainly not after I always listened to his problems...

So indeed, I'm taking a small break from him. I don't think he'll appreciate it, but I plain don't feel like going into this. Friendship means the world to me, and his even more, but... I can't keep this up. I'm constantly running after guys, in order to make them feel better and meanwhile I feel like hell. The break would be very welcome... so I'm taking it. Tonight I'm going over to my best buddy, a Libra (hugs to all Libras out there!), to yap away about this whole thing.

The end of this is nowhere near though *huffs* and lately I need all the talking I can get, to keep me from twirling in my own thoughts...... I'm so glad you -all- reacted, really, I appreciate it.

You're a sweetie ^_^ thanks a lot. Mind if I keep this story going? And I will check that scientific analysis... By the way I am a woman, so estrogen might have something to do with it..

*hug*

posted November 14, 2003 05:54 AM              

*smiles* you're ever so sweet... it's nice to hear someone who sees through the o so typical behaviour of Virgos (although I resent the fact that we're tidy people, I'm as sloppy as can be yet there is order in the chaos *grins*). Romance is indeed a thing where at least I can use some advice, yeah.. I'm glad you and your brother get along so well ^_^ family is important, ne? By the way, I'm curious, what's Atari?

Ireland....... I LOVE THAT COUNTRY! *smiles*

*hug*

Robyn

posted November 14, 2003 06:00 AM              

To both Lanny and theFajita3..

you're both sweeties ^_^ I'm gonna look for that string you posted as well.. some egoboosting never hurts.

I kinda know I shouldn't doubt that much, but as you Lanny probably know.. Virgos (or plain I) tend to do that and the circumstances are just not cooperating.

Would it harm me if I actually confronted this Leo guy with this whole mess? I honestly think it would do me some good to talk about it to'm..

*hug*

posted November 15, 2003 11:28 AM              

Hi Lanny: I doubt it it's you... maybe it's the fiery signs? *grins* No, there's always two people in a relationship, but.. some matches are easier to turn out good than others I guess.

At the moment, with this Leo dude, I'm in favour of not tempting my luck.. am sick of running after them. If he sends something, I'll reply eventually. If he doesn't react to that, I won't bother to worry about it. It takes two to tango, and I'm not a puppet on a string. If I may be so rude to ask, how come you and your Leo broke up? 's Just wondering, and if you say 'I don't want to answer that' I won't be insulted ^_-.

Still sort of trying to make sense out of him, but... "If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't return, it was never meant to be yours." I hate to say it, but I guess there's truth in it.....

Hiya Natasha: ^_^ No, I'm not Irish. I'm from Belgium, but PhantasmMysteria's from Dublin, I reacted to that. I wanted to go on a six-month study abroad there, but chances are small I'll make it. >.< Both meh mum and meh dad are paying for a house at the moment, and it's quite expensive to study abroad. But I'll get there one day. When might you be there, dear, who knows ^_- meet one another, lol! Little chance, I'm afraid, but Ireland is definitely on my list. Photos of sheep? *grins* Sounds strange indeed ^_^.

Hey PhantasmMysteria: ooooh, don't worry then. It does ring a bell, don't feel old, I was never really to type to play with consoles anyway. Should me dad have wanted to but me one, I guess I'd have been addicted *laughs* but he thought it was an evil influence and a waste of time. *shrug* It wouldn't have bothered me. But I know Mario and all the other games, I loved playing them whenever I had the chance.

See ^^ we are tidy, in our own messy way. Plus I loathe cleaning.. I hate it when it's dirty, but I hate it even more to shove my hand down some dusty closet or anything else for that matter. *shudders* Logic, go figure... lol.

Ok, so generally speaking, in order to keep you updated on the stuff with my friends. That Scorpio by now knows how *I* think about the whole issue and we're gonna talk it out tomorrow. That Leo... he's still confusing, but I decided it's time he showed how he feels about me, in other words.. I ain't running after him anymore. So there. (Let's see how long I can keep that up °_°)

Take care everyone!

Love,

posted November 23, 2003 03:18 AM              

I am a virgo lady who has had a turbulent, heartbreaking and glorious relationship with a Leo male for 5 years. We are still at it after 18 months of being separated by 1200 miles. Its nuts. If any of you get the Leo/Virgo thing figured out, let me know....

Is it that Leos constantly, almost desparately need to be the center of someones life (they of shining Suns) and Virgos are so skilled at providing a service?
We want to be needed???

GAH LEO MEN........
But seriously...all yea with knowledge of this.........give me the secret handbook to Leos.

posted November 23, 2003 10:09 AM              

So at long last I stumbled upon two who've met the famous Leos. At the moment I'm completely confused myself >.< let me sum it up for ya: I like'm, he likes me, he lets me drive his car, comes over at ten at night to go pick a movie, would give his computer to me, says rather often how good we get along and still nothing happens. I am very tired at the moment, just spent two nights (actually five, counting training, movie and the weekend) in a row with him and his bro in the picture and.... I'm plain tired.

Indeed, how they love attention °° well, I do think that Leos need and want attention (in fact the one I'm referring to said so himself, like he said so many other things which still confuse me......) 'cause their ego loves it. Y'know, to be honest, Leos are an open book I think.... they're just confusing 'cause one time they treat you like you're the only woman alive, the next they're saying they didn't feel like reacting so they just left it at that. It hardly seems to make sense, but I guess we need to have lots and lots and lots of patience to sit through it.

Good thing Virgos have patience, yeh. But we do tend to serve... and Leos are the King of the Jungle. Isn't that a nice match? Ugh... I'd love to make'm the center of my life, provided that goes both ways ^^ and Motherkonfessor, you've got quite some patience to last five year, even with the distance between you.

I just don't know what to do anymore... 's so confusing and I could so easily fall in love, but since I don't feel like hurting myself I just hold back for now....

Maybe I'll post a subject on 'how to make sense out of Leo lovers'... let's see if *anyone* at all knows!

Hopefully hear you soon, if you'd care to swap emailaddresses I'd love to ^_^

Take care,

Robyn

posted November 24, 2003 05:40 AM              

Is it really *that* bad? And what the Earth girls with some Fire should move to then?

posted November 24, 2003 10:19 PM              

Remember that Charlie Chaplin movie where he meets a woman crying and starts crying too? he doesn't know why and stands there crying with her until someone shoves him to the side and starts crying too. What a clown. I feel that way with Leos, the drama starts and all I can do is react. Where does it end, with me holding on. For women in my life it's good, and for a companion.

I think Earth girls do better with air signs, and other earth signs as lovers, and with water and fire signs are friends and companions. I am all for being a loyal friend but I wouldn't put your head on a plate for anyone. The world judges someone by how much they are truly loved, my motto is if you don't feel something leave. Because you are earth you may dig down deeper to find your love, if you are digging too deep it's fake.

posted November 25, 2003 07:27 AM              

"The Earth girls with some Fire will certainly find Leo guys stimulating for a while, yet over the long term, I don't think that will usually be the case."

You could well be right. I have Leo friends, but I can't imagine having a relationship with any of them. But I know someone who is trying to beat the odds, and hope they succeed. Intersting that I haven't had any Sag in my life. I guess my Venus must be in hiding.

Natasha,

I think Earth girls do better with air signs, and other earth signs as lovers, and with water and fire signs are friends and companions.

I feel like under some sort of attack of air signs lately. They are lovely starry eyed bunch, but it is so painfully obvious how they don't see ME at all. It is rather frustrating when my ‘people who are not in any way guilty of my Saturnian blues should not suffer by the mood’ and ‘you’ve got some sense of humor, use it’ attitude is interpreted as generally optimistic outlook to life.

" Because you are earth you may dig down deeper to find your love, if you are digging too deep it's fake."

Incredibly well said!

posted November 25, 2003 11:12 AM              

I have the impression this Virgo thing grew into a more wide discussion ^^ which is a good thing. Thanks for reacting.. for now I still believe this..... thing with my Leo guy can work out, but I sincerely hope that this whole Earth/Fire remarks in here aren't true, or solely based on unfortunate experiences >.< although I admit that should the two of us get together I frankly don't see it last.. not because he's some dimwit with no decent future or anything like that.. maybe it's a momentary thought, I hope it is 'cause otherwise I'd better start wondering why I even bother then.

I *know* Earth is better off with Water, although I am very sceptic about Air.. Air and Earth only touch each other shallowly (look at real life, they never or rarely really connect). From personal experience I can safely state that the mingling of two such signs is mostly a very uneasy business with lots of misunderstanding. If you care enough about the other one, it can work but Air tends to want to be free, while Earth needs its certainty. Personal experience ^^ I am definitely not a referencial point.

Natasha, indeed, very well said and I'm glad I got your reaction, it made me think. The moment I go digging to deep.. I'll know it's of little use. I must admit that this particular Leo can be very confusing, but for now I don't have the feeling I'm putting my head on a plate or that I'm in some scene where all I can do is watch and undergo, which I also hope won't happen °_° he has a sense of drama, yes, like all Leos do, so all I'm hoping now is that things *will* work out. I know a Water/Fire couple, he: Leo, she: Pisces, and they worked out fine... so who knows. Dreams keep people alive, as long as one doesn't get lost in them..

Take care!

*hugs*