posted November 24, 2003 03:18 AM              

>.< How I'd love to just let it go and move on... there are some problems already though. For one I see the guy two times a week whatsoever and at the moment we seem to be kinda attached to each other. Like I said, I spent five eves in a row with'm.. *sighs* I wouldn't know what his intentions are, but I do have the impression that even should the two of us get together it won't be easy.. I will probably try to leave it at this, to just walk away, but in order for me to do so (and this is no excuse, it's just.. who I am, I'm afraid) I really need to hurt myself first. Talk about destructive don't worry, I'm not destructive, just way too loyal I think.. or stupid, I'm not sure.

Although I can proudly state that I do *not* consider him perfect, lol, not at all. Several of his characteristics annoy the hell outta me, but they live up to the nice moments ^^ so far, I still like to be around him. I'm gonna start thinking online here, if I'm not careful.. so let me stop here, 'cause I'm guessing that's not what you'd like to read ^_^.

Thanks for your advice, I have in the back of my head, for several reasons already.....

Love,

posted November 24, 2003 05:41 PM              

Quoth the Virga: "I'm...just way too loyal I think.. or stupid, I'm not sure."

Hmmm, I'd guess it's the latter...yet you said it, I didn't Ah, not stupid really, just attracted, and that's all good. Yet I'll bet you that if you go with him for a while, you'll tire of him, actually, each day, and only be able to put up with him for so long. There are likely some positive connections between you two, and a look at your charts will prolly bear it out. And not to jinx something that could be beautiful, yet I know as a Virgo, you don't mind it being told how it is...over time, you'll recoil from the Fire, since it isn't usually a warm, loving heat like you hope for, rather a Fire that can blaze up and out of control and burn you, and if that's good for you, then jump on in Although, that Virgo Sun will always be there whispering "are you loyal, or just stupid??" And someday, you'll have to answer her

posted December 03, 2003 04:03 PM            

MaLiuk,

Oh the Fire and Earth combo is ohhh so hard. I am a Sag with an Aries moon and Virgo Ascendent. I have dated many Virgos and ended up marrying one. I LOVE Virgos, I just can't be with them romantically and I fear that even being friends with one of the opposite sex is almost impossible.

From a Fire girls standpoint, what Carlo said is true, the Virgo tires of us and we also get tired of what we perceive as an innate pessimism. I had a Virgo male friend (a super virgo: Sun, Merc, Venus, Uranus Pluto and Ascendent). He acted like he didn't mind the just friend thing and we hung out ALOT. Then he wanted romance and basically stated, if I didn't then there was NO reason to be friends.

It hurt, but it was true from his perspective. Carlo was also right about someone saying 'Leo's are great...no problem with the drama, etc... is most definetly not an Earth woman'. I don't see the problem at all with the Leo male drama or with the Aries male being a real macho kind of guy. I find them intriguing and SO ALIVE. But, I am fire.

You Sun will come into play at some time. Asking you "What are you doing?". I was like that with my Ex Virgo hubby. He was like that with me. He couldn't stand my kind of goofy nature and desire to verbally spar. My Leo and I love to verbally banter, fight, make up...pick on each other...it goes on. But you can't do that with most Virgos (or Earth signs). They get hurt, then they shut you out.

My Leo was once married to a Taurus woman with a Cappy moon. We often share our stories of being misunderstood, but we also are the first to admit, we also misunderstood them.

posted December 03, 2003 05:09 PM              

Carlo: First of all, I don't find you offensive, yet ^^ maybe I'm lucky so far.

So I've heard that Fire signs are capable of making us Earthly ones recoil because it becomes too much. At this very moment, I'm doing quite well. We see each other a lot (!) and from what we've been discussing we see each other as great friends. Ok, let me be honest, he sees me that way ^_^ and I by now have come to some sort of senses... and am quite happy this way. For now.. but I see myself falling for'm easily. But for some reason I don't want to search for doomscenarios in advance (how so pessimism, Pidaua? ) I still haven't answered to that voice asking me whether I'm stupid or loyal.
To be honest, this is the first time I get so many 'negative' reactions to an Earth-Fire combination, I always believed and experienced that they were quite a decent match. Now I'm talking friendship of course, which is quite the different thing, but still, it's a basis, right? *shakes head* At the mo', to keep it a bit short, we're friends and happy with it. We see each other a lot and I sorta have this feeling of "let's just see what gives, don't fall for'm and see what comes". Which ought to work out.. I'm really happy I know'm.

As for that combination of lotsa Fire in yer chart ^_^ you won't hear me complain. Thanks for being so honest, 'ppreciate it.

Pidaua: I find it plain rude of your Virgo friend to claim that you had NO reason to remain friends if things didn't work out ° ° well, I'd never say that. Makes little sense to me. *smiles* I adore the energy he has, love his sense for drama and humour (there's other stuff that annoys me but no one's perfect ^^).. but yeah, chances are that at a certain moment I need my rest and he won't. Misunderstandings enough possible, but I'm not a quitter, certainly not when it comes to people I care for.. so chances are I sit through those things. I don't mind feeding his ego *smiles* all I like is a decent balance between the two of us. Once I read about Leos who can learn from Virgos, concerning other people's feelings and Virgos learning from Leos, concerning spontaneaty (spelling.. eek). For now I think I can manage living with his presence in my life *smiles*

Thanks for replying, really.. I get more out of this than you people realise.

*hugs*

posted December 03, 2003 05:18 PM            

I think it is naturally easier for a Leo and Virgo than for a Sag / Virgo. The one who was rude to me has some mental issues that I touched on in another thread. My ex Virgo and I are best of friends. I talk to him 2-3 times a week and we hang out on the weekends. He loves our cats and still takes them when I am out of town.

Virgos have so many wonderful attributes, that is why I would never let the weird guy prevent me from being friends with another male virgo.

posted December 03, 2003 05:49 PM              

Are you a Leo then? Or did I misunderstand something here... and how is your relationship now, if I may ask so?

posted December 03, 2003 05:56 PM            

Nope, I am a Saggie. I am with a Leo now though. Historically, I dated Virgos. Now as far as your friendship with the Leo goes, here's a tip: they actually play hard to get, because of their pride. So, they may do this friendship thing, to kind of test your loyalty..oh and let me tell you about the tests. There are many of them where a Leo man is concerned. LOL

They will also say "Oh, I am not possessive or jealous...but watch how they eye-ball you while you are talking to another male."

That is where the Virgo may start to finally get a bit peeved. Virgo's like to talk and women are usually very pretty and keep themselves up, so that pleases the Leo. Then the Leo also gets a bit flustered at the Virgo's need to be a chatty patty, but the Virgo won't steal their center stage. Keep in mind that the little criticisms will be taken as okay for a while, but they can start to wear down the Lion. They have large egos that hide very sensitive hearts.

posted December 03, 2003 06:07 PM              

See, a month no talking, that would get me stressed and miserable and unhappy and... well, you name anything miserable, I'll be it ° ° little fights are ok.. well, depends what they are about of course.
Thanks for the hint about the criticism too.. I'll try to keep an eye on it. Although that's probably a lost cause in advance, but hey.. Leos are perfect, they don't need to be criticised, right? *smiles* No, I know it's dangerous to do so.. I do pay attention to it.

Thanks I'm glad you reacted so soon, but Sags are known to be sweet .

*hugs*

posted December 03, 2003 06:19 PM            

I am on my way out. I will write back first thing in the am, or tonight if I have time from home.

Thanks for the compliment.

posted December 04, 2003 11:09 AM            

Okay, I am back in the office again. LOL

I met my Leo on a business trip out West. I had to fly into Boise, ID to give a presentation to an agriculture sales company regarding one of our products. I was in charge of providing the technical sales info while he was one of the sales representatives that would be pitching the product to other cattle ranches, dairys, etc..

I had butterflies the whole way out and thought the trip would be something to remember (how funny) and I was nervous about the presentation to a room full of cowboys. He is, by the way, a full on cowboy that raises his own cattle, is a team-roper and grew up in the farm lands of Idaho.

I have to interject here. Have you seen the movie Practical Magic? Well, ever since I was a little girl I wanted to marry a cowboy. I grew up in Yuppie Orange Co, California but my family was from Texas and Kansas, so horses, cattle and farming was in my blood. I even have little first grade "me" books where I say I am going to grow up to marry a cowboy and go into medical research. LOL...well, it wasn't cool in OC to want a cowboy, but it didn't matter. I never thought I would meet one and dated mostly yuppies and married one too. Then this cowboy appears in my life, he loves animals, nature and can ride a horse like no ones business. It just blew me away.

Mr. Leo (my dude) always loved Indians (I favor my American Indian / Spanish father more than my German /Cherokee mother). When he was a boy he would always play the Indian in the childhood game. He is also one of those Leos that loves the earth, to hunt, and live among the animals. He calls himself the mountain man.

Okay, so here I am at this meeting presenting to about 20 whiskey drinking - cowboys. Along strides in this guy. My stomach flipped over as he sat down in front of me. He just stared at me and then started to look in the book on our product. He got kind of puffy and said "Well, I hope this crap works or else I am going to be p1ssed about trying to sell it". I countered right back with 'Well, if you could have managed to get here on time like everyone else, then maybe you would know about how effective it is". Hee hee, well that did it. We had totally intrigued each other, but the night was almost over and it was time to leave, he did show up late and all. I later found out that he almost didn't go because he had been delayed at a feedlot, but he just felt he needed to show up. That was back in April of 2001.

I flew back out there with one of my coworkers in June to provide some hands on training on the product. She was deathly afraid of Mr.Leo and did NOT want to work with him. She said "Above all, do not make me go with him, he seems gruff". I said 'Fine you owe me on', but I was happy, because there was something about that guy that I couldn't get out of my head.

So we went to the company store and met up with several of the reps. I was to work with on older dude (Cancer sun) and my college had to work with Mr. Leo's best friend. Mr. Leo walked in and stopped dead in his tracks when he saw me. He got this sly smile on his face and then just went on getting his supplies. He was barking out orders and being a typical Leo Male (You know "Hey, I am here notice me") I just gave him a glance or two, but my heart was beating out of control.

He left and within 45 minutes he had called back to the store (I was just about to leave) and he said "Ummm, mam, I need you this afternoon to accompany me to a few accounts, I do hope you will be available". I said I was and that was it. Then I left to go to another ranch and meet him later.

We met in the afternoon back at the store and I was checking my messages. Again he starts with a comment of "I do hope you can carry a 50lb bag...blah blah...HEY!!! Are you there Sweetheart...I am talking to you".

I gave him a look and said "Where I come from it is completely rude and unacceptable to interrupt someone on the phone. Now what were you chattering about". Again that threw him off but he retored (keep in mind there are several people watching this exchange laughing because they know how gruff he likes to be). So he says "Well, I want to make sure you can pull your weight by being able to unload a few feed bags, can you do that or are you too prissy". I smiled and said in my best southern drawl "Well Sugar, I just don't know...I did just get my nails done" Everyone busted up, he turned red and growled "Fine get in the pickup let's go".

Hee hee, those were good times. I LOVED the challenge and so did he, we still do that all the time. But, we also ended up becoming best of friends right off. He was normally shy when it came to women, so it was something for him to approach me like that. He really didn't need me for those accounts, but he wanted to get to know me better. As it turned out, when I left he gave me his cell number and said "Hey when you are in eastern Idaho tomorrow night, give me a call, I'd like to catch up with you".

Then the conversation turned to "Calf Fries" otherwise known as calf testicles. It is a cowboy aphrodesiac (sounds icky but tastes pretty good ) One of the other guys was daring us to try them later in the week and I said Nope, that has to be disgusting! Mr. Leo shoots back 'Honey, out here we call that a aphrodesiac...it will get your motor running to last all night'. So I said "Oh yeah, well, let me tell you something cowboy, you can have your calf fries I don't need them you see, I can go all night, out last you and still have energy for a few more rounds". LOL....he was so p1ssed at me. It was great.

I didn't call him that night from Eastern Idaho. The next day he saw me, when right for my right hand, held it - looked at it and said "Hmmm, it doesn't seem broken, guess you didn't call because of that". It was pretty funny. hee hee

Needless to say, we have been through hell and back. From friends trying to split us up because of our friendship. (It is true what they say about a Leo and Sag when they do come together, we love to challenge each other, but we also dearly love our friendship which is nearly impossible to break apart). We both went through the same type of seperations / divorce from a spouse that didn't want us intimately, we both lost our maternal grandmothers to cancer 6 months apart, and we both had to deal with family / inheritance issues.

I also went through that stage with Mr. Leo where he did not want to show his cards and he would test me like crazy. I would do it right back to him and the fight was on. I guess on some level we were both afraid because it felt so right and yet seemed to good to be true. Maybe that is how it is supposed to be? We have also learned that we enjoy the fight, the challenge and mostly making up.