posted December 10, 2003 06:10 AM              

I'm sorry for the late reaction again *shudders* like I said before, my access to a comp isn't all that all the time.. this weekend I'll be online way more.

Gloomy, I'm sorry I didn't reply to your question, but Pid already did *smiles* and would you mind sharing some stories with me too.. 'cause I'm stuck with a Leo as well. They're intriguing to say the least (read my post 'Love Leos', lol).

Pid, Pid, Pid, help! °_° Well, this sounds like the end of the world, but it isn't... Leos are just good at confusing me. *grins*

You wrote: When a Leo says, in the beginning of a relationship, "Think twice before you fall in love with me". He is actually saying, "I am falling for you and I am scared". Just hang in there.

>.< Although that would have been great, it wasn't what he said... Here's my story (make sure you have enough time to read this.. 's a long one ° °):

Some four months ago, twin brothers joined in our club of karate. At first there wasn't really any contact, just the average yap when in the same social circle until one eve in the cantina we (being the four of us, I and Virgo female friend of mine, and two Leos ^^ what a combi) talking away about all sorts of things. More than we usually did and it started that eve, with *him* asking my number ("in case I need to ask something" *grins*).

From then on things sped up a bit, we met four to five eves a week, going out, cinema, running (condition is evil, lol).. and we clicked quite well, but nothing ever happened. He's a painter, asked me over to his place to come see his work, I love books, I took'm to a bookfair.. we went out to "student's night" and talked almost the whole eve. At that moment I was still in the safe zone, i.e. not in love ^^.

For some reason he started acting different one Thursday eve at the training, but I left it at that until during the weekend I heard from my Virgo friend that my Leo (heh) thought I was in love with him (which at that time I wasn't). I didn't want this kind of odd stuff to happen behind my back and plain called'm to make sure that he did not need to fear, 'cause I'm not the type to fall for someone after a few get-togethers. He was so, so happy at that moment, saying we get along so well and he had never expected himself to get along with a girl so well, without that girl falling in love (ahh, the ego *smiles* for some reason I was not offended, although in other cases I prolly would have been).

So that was that, had I not started to fall for'm... it's been going on for.. err, two months by now, that I keep fighting 'cause I know he's happy the way it is and he doesn't know squad (I think.. unless he's a good actor). Last weekend I was sick of not knowing for sure so I flat out asked, since it was subject we could talk about quite well, what he would do should I fall in love with'm. This was the exact convo (how so, decent memory?):

I: "Say, I have been wondering.. what would you do should I fall in love after all?"
He: (without taking time to think it over) "I'd consider it."
(little pause)
He: "But I'm happy the way it is at the moment."

So *sighs* what do I do with that? Aye, I'm so happy I didn't get a 'no' but it still leaves me hanging somewhere in the middle. And another thing, since that eve I haven't heard from him until yesterday obviously 'cause we had training, (which was great, we trained together) but I started wondering whether or not I freaked him out..

In any way, one thing is sure, the two of us get along and I ought to be happy for that.. but now and then (more now than then) I wonder whether or not it will grow into more, plus I'm always struggling not to let myself get carried away completely. Simply 'cause I know he's happy the way it is and I do not want to chase'm away!

And yes, I've read about Leos fear to let people down, to not live up to what they think others expect from them (I'm good at theories.. practice is another thing). Honestly, Pid, my heart cringed when reading what your Leo said to you. They seem so certain about themselves... while at the same time.. Another reason why I'm so intrigued (ok, smitten ^^) is exactly that, I have the impression there's way more to him than what I've seen so far.

At this moment I have the impression he's taking his distance again, maybe testing me to see if I care (or sick of me, but don't Leos make that *very* clear then?) but I'm not sure what to do. Part of me says "let him" and see if *he* comes back, another part says "don't let him go". See, I have the same tendency as a Sag here.. walk away when things get too uncertain.

... *smiles* "He is my best friend and so much more." All I did was smile at this.. makes me wish things will go the same way for me...

I'm not sure what my problem at the moment is.. I can't start questioning him, 'cause then there's no end to it, so I can safely state the both of us match, one way or another. But I just don't know where to crawl now and then.. he's one of those last-minute-guys, always leaving a get-together hanging till a few hours before it takes place ° ° and at this moment it's driving me up the wall. Not that I'm angry ^^ but I just wish he'd make up his mind sometimes.

Let me keep this easy... what do you generally think of this? ^_^ And sorry, this is so long, but along the road things always pop up... and I like 'telling' the story.

Love,

Robyn.

posted December 10, 2003 02:04 PM            

Hmm, well, in my case it might have been different. See we were in a different situation or point in our relationship. I was never worried about the attraction or it being just a "friend" thing. We had to be friends in the beginning because we were going through our own separations when we met. So we took it easy and talked all the time. There was never a question about "Hmm, I wonder if he likes me or wants me". I already knew that he did and he was the one that was worried about how I felt.

He also pursued me and never let me run too far away. As a sag, I am always afraid of a commitment and a Leo is loves to be loved (deep down). One of the reasons it may be easier in a "trine" relationship is that we can intuitively feel what the other needs or how do deal with the other.

He knew not to push me and not to let me run to far. I knew not to be too available (the worst thing you can do early in a relationship with a Leo is ALWAYS be there or too easy to reach). They need some intrigue, a challenge. Like us Sagittarians, if it is too easy, it is not fun.

I don't really know what kind of advice to give to you, because it seems that the relationship is platonic form his point. In my experience with Leo males I haven't ever found them to be too subtle about their desires or feelings of attraction. If he has not tried to make a move on you or hasn't asked you out on a date, he may really only see you as a friend. For some reason I thought the two of you had dated or were dating.

BUT, you haven't known each other very long. So he may be the type to take it slow. Four months to him may not be enough time for him to decide to make a move. On the other hand, can you accept the terms of only friends in the future? It seems that he has worries about it only because in his past lady friends tended to fall for him. I know from my own experience that it is hard to have a male friend be only a friend. Most of the time they would say it was okay, but then they would want more from me and it would hurt when I would have to end the friendship.

posted December 11, 2003 10:28 AM              

no, you're not being too nosy, otherwise I wouldn't throw the whole story online. *sighs* Though I must say I'm not too hopeful at the moment..
We were never dating, all we've done so far is go out and quite a lot at that. Nothing ever happened, from the start we got along marvellously, all we discussed is what I told you ('bout the "I think you fell for me" thing). Aaaaand... >.< I think I've been too easy, so to speak. Dunno, but when I get along with someone I like hanging out with them. Maybe that sorta drove him towards the friends thing already, I only play hard to get when people annoy me. Perhaps I should pull that trick on him, yeah. (Although I'm kinda clueless as to *how* ^^)
"Dating" isn't something we often do here (here being Belgium *grins*), all the two of us have done is be off on our own, just the two of us ^_^ he asked me to several things already, movie at his place, concert amongst ourselves, hop over to come see'm at work, that kind of stuff and the other way round, I asked'm to join on several occasions as well.

I guess I could live with being friends (after a while), in any way I wouldn't end the friendship over it.. and I hope he wouldn't either, but you really touched something by saying I shouldn't make it too easy on'm. Actually I'd be happy should he say that he wants to be friends and then reconsiders ^^. Could be that you're right, that he only wants to be friends and I'm just wishful thinking. Can't help it really, we get along so well and spend so much time together... but time will probably tell if I'm making a mistake here. You are right though ° ° I've made it way too easy on him... typical me, there's nothing I don't do when I like someone, both friends and more. Hrf..... frustrating.

I do have some stats, born the 26th of July 1985 he is.. but I don't have the hour. Could check the compatibility.

Thanks for reacting ^^ hope to hear from you soon!

posted December 11, 2003 12:20 PM            

Ohhh, please don't be discouraged. You may have a shy Leo on your hands that just wants to take it slow. It does seem like he has asked you on some kind of "dates" as you have both spent time alone together. Inviting you over to see a movie is an intimate gesture.

From his chart it has his Moon in Scorpio, Venus in Gemini and Mars in Leo. He has a lot of fire and water in his chart, but only 2 air planets and an Earth Singleton (Neptune).

He is emotionally deep and has a definite need for love and attention. I like Venus in Gemini (my Leo has that two) it gives the person the ability to be more carefree and they love to talk about sex, love...and little sweet nothings. He will also be emotionally guarded with that Scorp moon, which is so different from his Leo self (he does have a fair amount of Leo in him: Sun, Merc and Mars).

His Moon is also in the same sign as his Pluto, but they are forming only a loose conjunction. Hey may even have more of a Scorpion flavor to his personality, especially depending on his rising sign. If he has a Scorpio rising, then he will be very Scorpion with all those planets in Scorp and in the first house.

I would need your birth info as well to look at a comparison or synastry, so I'll wait for you on that.

Please don't worry about being to "easy". You should just be yourself, because that is the best way to get to know someone.

I look forward to your reply.

posted December 12, 2003 04:32 AM              

Hiya to the both of you and a very big hug already for being so sweet! I smiled the whole time while reading your reactions..

Pid ^_^ thanks for looking into his chart and interpreting it, for some reason you encouraged me again. I noticed he tends to be rather careful and silent whenever it comes down to *himself*, to his personal ways and feelings. However I have had him talking about family issues, his mother so there is improvement I think..

My b-day would be: 25th of August 1983 (the age difference ° °), at 04.23 pm ^_^. If you'd like (I don't want to give you things to do I can prolly do myself..^^) I can go to wherever it is you go for those charts..?

Well.. I don't think I'm too easy ° ° I hope I'm not but I keep playing around as well, bickering though at a low level, lol, since it's really not my nature. At least not in public, at home I'm a little disaster *grins* together with my dad's gf. Mainly I can safely state I'm being myself, think I'm too lousy a liar to keep up a maskerade anyway..

We spent another night at the cinema's by the way.. I guess it will be a matter of time before I either decide to live with 'just' friends (as if that's such a bad thing, but you probably understand what I mean ^^) or just fall head over heels. Nice image for the future.. my exams are coming up, lol, add some stress why don't I.

Gloomy.. I fully understand you don't want to go into detail, you share what you like to share.. for which I wanted to thank you, I'm glad you did so. *smiles*

I'm sorry to hear how things went between you and that Leo.. but you are right about being myself, just like Pid said, and I will do so (I have little other choice, not good at lying, even if I wanted to). Life will indeed show me which path to walk.. I'm really glad you reacted.

I'd like to ask something.. maybe I'm crossing a line here, but it's a feeling I have.. you don't happen to be a Wiccan, do you? Don't know why but I have the feeling you are.. ^_^ and if you're not, then it still doesn't change you're very kind.

Hope to hear from both of you soon!

Lots of Love,

posted December 12, 2003 04:53 AM              

I can't believe how many of the same things I have experienced with my Leo are echoed here.... once you have loved a Leo, its hard to let go.

Pid, you wrote this?......."When a Leo says to you in the beginning....Think twice before you fall in love with me"....I wish I had known that was codespeak for a Leo falling in love. It might have encouraged me to not hide my feelings for him for so long...and endless heartache.

*sigh*

MaLiuk......."He says But I am happy the way it is at the moment."
Yup, I have heard that one too...for nearly 5 years now. And I keep wondering what to do also...don't want to chase em away.
Gloomy sag.....I feel as if you were describing my Leo to me...thats exactly the way he treated me..and I am the Virgo girl.
Wierd. The testing, the arrogance, him being surrounded by a bevy of adoring girls that would shower him with attention...yet he always, ALWAYS come back to me. I never could figure out why. I never heard him call me princess or his one true love..but now I wonder.......I hope you weren't witness to my life in this story......wouldnt that be ironic?

Anyways...I always check out these Leo boards, and I too could write volumes about the Leo (male) psyche, even tho Carlo tells us Virgos to forget about Leos. If only I could......
Maybe, if someone wishes, I will tell the story...maybe it will help someone out with their own Leo. I had to leave mine. 1200 miles away, because I couldn't seem to help him and he was determined to take me with him into his descent into the abyss. We still talk 3 or 4 times a week, even tho its been 18 months since we have seen each other.

I think he still loves me.....in fact, is doing everything NOW I had been begging him to do the 3 years we lived together...but he is too proud to ask me to come back. Maybe in time......

*another sigh*

Damn these Leos for being so charming, so wonderful, and so impossible to forget.

posted December 12, 2003 09:31 AM              

I'd love for you to share your story, after all that's what this thread is about, ne? So please join in...

How I wish to hear those words "Think twice before you fall in love with me" although they don't garantuee he's falling for you.. So you heard that famous "I'm glad the way it is" - line too... May I ask, is he the same Leo with whom you broke up, or another one? I wasn't completely clear on that one.. How did you deal with it for five years long? Sorry to ask so many questions, but I sorta feel related to the situation. So share those volumes, hun.. we can always learn from each other as well ^_^ and gather some strength too...

This might be a stupid question, after all he is a Leo, but did you ever consider bringing up the matter again? You still love him, you think he still loves you.. life's a bit too short to miss out on one another... but I don't know the whole story yet.... there probably are several reasons as to why things are the way they are right now..

Send you lots of Love.. and hang in there..

*hug*

posted December 12, 2003 11:38 AM            

To answer your question. Umm, yes in a sense, but my belief system is more of a combination of what I have experienced. My maternal great granny was a full blooded Cherokee woman that read cards and auras. She believed in the old ways and was surely a type of dreamer / shaman. My paternal grandmother is a full blooded Apache and before she immersed herself into a mainstream church, she also practiced the old way of healing with herbs, chanting, etc...

So, I guess you can say there is a fair amount of that pagan belief in me which compels me to believe in herbs, spells, and spirit / dream guides. I make hunting / birth pouches for my family and friends. Along with home blessing pouches and shields. I do meditate regularly, call on my dream guides and keep my sage burning. It is a very spiritual way of being and it keeps me in touch with the Earth and Nature. I am also Christian (Lutheran to be exact) but I don't see a conflict.

At first my family was a bit, oh I don't know, apprehensive about my dreams (I tend to have prophetic dreams) and my beliefs. Now they are very accepting and even come to me with their problems and for healing. It's pretty cool.

My Leo is also extremely spiritual and we both have a very deep connection to the Mountains, nature and Animals. He was never able to express that part of him until we met, now we sometime joke about building a wikiup (apache dwelling) in the Idaho mountains to escape the crazy way of life LOL..well, I am too high maintenance for that.

I figured some of the "Leo" things out because, me being a pretty direct Sag, I just asked him. For a while it really drove me crazy, and there were times when I was ready to give up. But, he never let me go far. We would fight about stupid things (and still do), but he would let me cool off and I would give him his space.

One thing that is so important to know about Leo's is they are STUBBORN. Even more so that a po'd Sag!! Like Linda says "Being of a mutable sign, it is up to you to make the first move".

Our first real fight and weekend of not talking was August 5, 2001. LOL... We went 4 days with out talking and finally I called and left him a message. I said "I miss you and I am tired of this". (I had just read Love Signs about Sag and Leo's, so I decided to try it Linda's way).

Well, that opened the door and he called to tell me how much he missed me and how hard it was not to talk to me. I guess that's the way it is you know? They are proud, but as soon as they know they are safe, then will open up. That is how many of us are, they just show it more.

I think Lioneye has so much to offer in the way of experience between a Leo and Virgo, from a Leo's point of view. Her current honey is a Virgo and she has dated others as well. Virgo dudes and I have a facination, but we don't fair well in the romance department LOL.

MaLiuk (what does your name mean)
I will look at your synastry and let you know what I see. I think you are so right in just being yourself and letting things develop.

posted December 12, 2003 11:57 AM            

Have you talked to your Leo? Maybe you could just drop him a line and say Hi.

I have a question about Virgo's. I have noticed (at least with the males), that they can really just kind of drop you from their lives, but when asked, it really hurts them to do so. It's like they refuse to call or to say anything, but lament about it later.

I hope I phrasing that right. Like, I noticed with my ex, he didn't care to "try" to save the relationship until it was too late, then he went into panic mode. There are times I feel that even our friendship is more like me making the attempts that him. Maybe he is afraid I don't want his friendship.

I also noticed that on trips, he wouldn't call me, but when I was on a biz trip I HAD to call him. It felt like if I never called, then he would never call and things would just end.

I never felt that way with my Leo. In my heart I have always known that he would never let me just drift away. Not so with the Virgo's men I either dated, married (1) or had as friends.

posted December 12, 2003 06:17 PM              

I am not sure where to start..but Pidaua, I can answer that Virgo question for you. Not only based on myself, but my Virgo friends, we seem very able to cut someone right out of our lives. Its been done to me (By a Virgo) and I did it right back to her also.

Its strange....a Virgo will stick right by a person and give them all they can, but if that person crosses whatever arbitrary line the Virgo has labeled "Enough" we (seemingly) have no problem cutting the cords. Yes, inside it still hurts, even bleeds.....but for whatever reason, I see the title in my head "IT MUST BE DONE."

And we will pine and agonize over the loss, the heartache, because Virgos can also manifest a martyr complex quite well. To jump off the bridge of speculation, I think those momenets come when a Virgo is faced with the infallibility of human interaction- being the discerners of the Zodiac, we want harmony and peace and perfection- and its soul crushing to become disappointed in someone or something so desired, something that seemed "perfect".

Keep in mind, the Virgo in question probably faults themself for not being {insert adjective here} patient, loving, open, whatever the circumstance is. And thats why after the cut, they lament the choice.

Or, perhaps I am projecting..........LOL

MaLuik.......
My Leo story....considering it spans 6 years and is still commencing, maybe I will just drop some highlights....hahha.

I had just moved 1200 miles to a city where I knew no one. After about 2 months of just functioning, I met my Leo. I was sitting in a 24 hour restaurant, it was late, and some drunk was bothering me. Being of a sharp tongue and quick wit, I put the drunk in his place...and my Leo was sitting in a booth next to me..and thats how we met.

The first time we hung out one-on-one, we sat in the same restaurant and drank 14 pots of coffee in 13 hours. Yes, 13 hours in the same booth. He was all the wondrous things you know of Leos, charming, funny, well spoken, complimentary...and of course he LOVED to talk about himself.

Does every female have a mental list (or written?) of the qualities we want in a mate? This guy had all of them. Within days we were inseparable, much to the chagrin of his male best friend, and the bevy of girls that hung out with the 2 of them.

Everything seems perfect in the beginning. right? One night out of the blue, he asked me what I wanted from our relationship...
Sitting at my feet, so humble, for a Leo.....
and here is where I think I made the mistake of a lifetime. I had moved because of a disasterous, horrid relationship with a man who said he wanted to marry me but only wanted my money to keep him solvent until he was planning to leave the state..yes, THAT bad.
I couldn't possibly believe I could fall in love again, this soon. I couldn't possibly trust this Leo, this soon, not completely. So I told him, lets just play it by ear, see what happens. It was just fine by me, the way it was. Even tho, I wanted more. And he was soooooooo young......only 20.

We talked about that night years later. He accuses me of sabotaging our relationship, for if only I had told the truth, the rest may not have happened.

This is getting wordy, isnt it?

Lets see, if I can summarize.....we never dated. We never refered to each other as "BF or GF" Anytime I pressured him that I was sick of being his "mistress".....he would ask me to make it official, and then he would stop talking to me. This happened twice, and after each time of me getting upset with the way he treated me he would run off to sleep with another girl, and we wouldn't speak.

His line to me was "I don't want to make you my girlfriend because that means someday we will break up. I don't want to ever break up with you."

Yeah. I never said he was the perfect guy, but he was my Leo. And he always came back. NO matter who the other girl was.

It was almost like a sickness, for both of us. If we weren't speaking, it would only last for a week at most and then we would see each other, and we had to be alone and work it out. Everytime he "cheated" on me I wouldn't speak to him for about a month or so, and then he would go on his "Hero's Quest" to find me and we would make up. When we were living together, I would end up kicking him out and sometimes he would apologize or I would worry myself sick looking for him, and plead with him to come back.

Gaaaahhh

This may look like I was the terror here. But see, true to form, I am still loyal to him, and I cant spill his secrets. Maybe thats why he needed me for so long. He always knew that he was number One in my eyes, and that I would do anything.

The entirety of the story involves cops, shootings, betrayal, a possible life prison term, and hitting rock bottom. Maybe someday I will be able to explain those crazy years, but not this second. It would be too long for here. Needless to say, its like an after-school special gone terribly wrong, as if Hunter S Thompson wrote it.

But I stuck by him through all of it. Its all the same Leo I am talking about, and I had to leave him, MaLuik.....if you have made it this far.

We still talk on the phone, alot. He seems very sad, and he is very alone. Yet he won't ask me to come back. Sooooooooo, I don't ask. Maybe now its the beginning of the end, but I would have thought my moving 5 states away would have dont that.

So I am going to stop here, for now, because the memories are all right there, and I am going to worry over them like a proper Virgo does...later, all.

posted December 12, 2003 06:34 PM            

Wow, that is a sad story, but I can see where you were guarded - you had to be after what you went through before you met him.

I agree that a Virgo can cut you out when you have crossed a certain. Sometimes it's a line you can't even see. I remember my ex saying 'Well, how can you still love me and be friends with me after I have hurt you so deeply". I said "because I loved you first as my friend and that is forever".

Sometimes I also think that with a Virgo, they may feel uncomfortable with making the calls or the move, kind of like they are so busy analyzing what may happen or worried they are imposing, that time just slips by and then it's gone.

posted December 12, 2003 07:09 PM            

Did you make the mistake of a lifetime with the Leo guy? I don't know, only you are in a position to answer that question but one thing is certain. He gave you exactly what you asked for which is typical of a Leo. He asked you what you wanted out of the relationship, you told him the relationship was fine with you just the way it was. Later, when you complained about how it was, i.e.,mistress, no commitments, no bf/gf or more, he asked you to make it official, marriage? I assume you declined.

I'm a little surprised he asked you again. Lesson, never ask for something you don't want from a Leo. We're pretty literal minded and we'll treat you like an adult who knows what they want even if it hurts us---both.

posted December 12, 2003 07:36 PM              

jwhop...no, my Leo didn't ask me to marry him. I would have said yes, even with all the things he had done to hurt me. He has had a miserable life, from an abusive mother to living on the streets at 12, so and so forth....he has very little idea how emotionally stable people live. I guess I tried to prove to him that he was worthy of being loved..the separation between a persons actions and the person's soul.

Keep in mind that when the question first came up, I had known him for about 3 months..a brief moment in the context of the next 6 years. I was always his "secret" no one knew exactly what we were, and it wasnt their business. We were on a pedestal together, and no one could touch us (his words).

What I still am not sure of is whether all of this was Bullsh**, fed to me by a borderline sociopath who really has no emotional connection to anyone, or whether in the context of his whole life, he was doing the best he could, given what he had to work with.
I still believe in him, but its not up to me whether he can make his life work. I tried, but he fell into a 9 month depression and never left my couch. I went broke trying to support us both, and he became sullen and incommunicative. So, I left. I couldn't help him anymore. Yes, I do consider it the greatest mistake of my life leaving him.....and I hope maybe we will be together in the future. He talks of it also, but right now admits he is too self centered to think of anyone else, and too focused on keeping himself out of legal problems.....aaaaaaaackkkkkkkkkk

LOL...sorry, theres my self pity for the day.
Everyday I wake up expecting to see him. Was it better for me logically, to leave him?
Yes.....
Does that make it any easier to forget, and move on?
Nope......

posted December 13, 2003 02:28 AM              

How tragic, and sad......tears came to my eyes. That poor, lost Leo. Yes, no wonder we see so many similarites between these tales..they could almost be the same person. My Leo too....never knew his father, and his mother had him at such a young age they were in the same foster homes together. And alcohol...I know that one too.
Now that alcohol is the only "method of escape" he can indulge in, it is destroying him. When he is sober, he is still my sweet-
but he morphs into something else while drinking, and uses it to leave the reality of what his life has become.

Its amazing what a person will tolerate, to live with the one you love. Or think you love...(is there a difference, really?)

I take your post as almost a warning...my Leo seems to care little for his welfare, and sometimes wishes it was "all over." And at times its difficult to tell if its sincere or just drama. Arg.

Thank you for sharing, sag. I hope you still have fond memories of him.

posted December 13, 2003 07:59 AM              

Pid:

I loved reading your story ^_^ to see how two mates so alike found each other, even if it's not always that easy and smooth with Leos. You're right about them testing you to see if they're in the safe zone, to know for sure you care about them. It's logical I guess, everyone tends to do so before baring their heart to someone, but Leos like to be certain. Strange how these o so confident creatures take so much trouble to be sure they're wanted... because most of the time it drives the other up the wall, since they don't need to be tested.

^_^ And it was nice to read about another one who believes in the power of Dreams, Nature and Mother Earth.. people tend to give you the wary eye. Perhaps you know of the Wiccan way too? My road tends towards Paganism and Wicca.. my dad's gf and I get along really well there. Lol, although I can understand why you'd want to shield yourself from this big world in a wikiup!

Well, currently we aren't having fights (yet), just the bickering and rolling around on the tatami *grins widely* but he likes to be challenged. Stubborn.. I didn't expect it otherwise, so luckily I'm a mutable sign. However patience does not last endlessly.. depends how much the other means to you, but I'm a weakling when it comes to that. Once someone is in the safe zone there's little I don't take from them..

Thanks for checking out that chart for me, you're a sweetie ^_^ *huggle* as for my name MaLiuk, for as far as I know it doesn't exist. I made it up myself so there's no meaning to it, I just wanted something that sounded good. In fact Robyn isn't even my real name, another pseudonyme.. I like the Internet but I'm quite wary at the same time O.o Virgo paranoia maybe, or plain me.. real name is only edited when swapping personal email addresses ^_^.

I come across more and more people who have had 'a thing' with Leos *smiles* it's nice to hear so many different people... even when the stories are sad..

Hm.. yes, I know about Virgos cutting people from their lives (it's quite nicely put in Linda Goodman's Sunsigns, in the female Virgo section..). We (or maybe I should speak for myself now) don't cut people from our lives easily, trying to give them every chance they deserve -to us- but once a line is crossed it's enough. I had that with a Pisces friend of mine, she has serious mental issues (abusive father, several *bad* experiences with guys at the same time, mother who doesn't understand...) who got quite attached to me, but at the same time I felt she was using me. Whenever she was down I would do anything to make her feel better, to help her see that she was worth a lot more than she thought, she's so talented but she never believed in herself, she's a beautiful lady but she thinks she's ugly and I tried restoring her self-confidence wherever I could, but those times together often ended with her getting mad at me, saying I wasn't being a friend, didn't understand her and so on..... I took that for about two years before I shut down everything. I told her what the problem was, hung up the phone and didn't talk to her for four months. Needless to say I felt awful about myself.. guilty for not being more patient, caring or whatever it is I should have been... it's just that I (Virgos) can only take so much, and we hope people will learn after a while from their mistakes yet if they don't.. we just cut them off. I have contact with that Pisces friend of mine again, and I think she sort of understood after I cut her off like that, 'cause it's been half a year now and we're doing ok.

That's another thing.. now I am speaking for myself solely.. I may have cut her off for a long time, but I could never cut her from my life completely. Not sure if I could do that with anyone at all... but yeah, Virgos tend to do so when they're fed up with something or someone.

I find it quite strange your Virgo did that, make you feel like you had to do everything or the friendship wouldn't last. Perhaps he didn't see it as important as you did, but if that was the case then you're better off without him. Honestly? I don't bother with people I don't really care for either, that might be cruel, but it's a universal truth I think... so I agree with what MK wrote.. Enough is enough.

^_^ Long post, think I'll start another one to reply to the others!

Take care and till soon.

posted December 13, 2003 08:11 AM              

*sighs* I'm so sorry to hear how things went with your Leo... and I think I can safely state him as *your* Leo..

One wonders why we sometimes don't just state what we want, right? When he asked you what you wanted from your relationship, it sounds rather familiar. My Leo and I have discussed it quite often as well, and each and every time (because I think he likes it the way it is) I don't say what I feel, but say what it safest to not loose him.
How I wish yours didn't think he would loose you if he had made you his official gf, something tells me you wouldn't have lost each other.. and no, it does not look like you're the terror. There are always two people in a relationship and when it's a stormy as yours was, there's simply no option for fingerpointing..

Whenever the day comes when you can explain those years.. you're always welcome, hun..

You got me teary, dear... I'm so sorry you had to leave him.. People often say "as long as you're happy" but sometimes you find someone you can be happy with if the rest of the world didn't exist.. yet it does, so you're forced to let him go.. *sighs* I'm sorry, I truly am and I wish I was closer by sometimes 'cause right now I feel completely helpless. Words are after all only words...

Whenever you like to.. send on an email, like proper Virgos do I ponder a lot/too much as well and it's always nice to know someone will listen... here's my email: sithi_aiditu@yahoo.com...

posted December 13, 2003 09:03 AM              

seems I stirred some aching hearts with this thread and I'm sorry for that.. like I am for you loosing your Leo. Like with MK I feel terribly helpless at this moment..

Lost a heartfriend to suicide two years ago, train as well though there's still discussion whether or not he was murdered.. sometimes tears just overcome you, without any particular reason... but time heals all wounds, so they say. I prefer not to forget.. memories are precious.

I don't know how people deal with losses.. I don't tend to talk about him that much, he was a Taurus, unless people startle me and everything pours over me again.. but if you feel like sharing more..... I'll be here. This is a public site so here's the emailaddress sithi_aiditu@yahoo.com.....

Sending lots of Love,

posted December 14, 2003 03:00 PM              

I'm glad to hear you so optimistic, gloomy, really.. I hope you and your Pisces lover keep sharing lovely days. It's normal to be at least a bit shaky around Leos after what you've been through.. but it seems you're doing ok. Sags aren't quitters, are they..

Take good care, hun!

*huggle*