posted December 15, 2003 01:03 PM              

Anyone else?
I have also found his Mars opposite my Venus to be touch and go and strong moon contacts can cause the man to feel unaroused by his mate. Example his Mars conjunct her moon, or if the man has the Moon on the ascendant. My theory is it's too much like a sibling relationship.

posted December 15, 2003 01:13 PM              

Moon conjunct Mars; I thought that one meant sexual attraction. But I have this aspect reverse with many of my male friends and I see them as brothers only (i.e my mars conjunct their moon) I also find them too feminine

posted December 15, 2003 01:29 PM            

My guys Ex became more like a sister to him. We both shared that fact that our spouses were not sexual in the least and we felt betrayed by that.

Her Mars conjuncted his Moon in Aquarius
His Mars in Sag opposed her Saturn in Gemini
Her Mars squared his Saturn in Taurus.

Now my ex, I think he also started to see me as a sibling. He was a Virgo, Gemini Moon and Taurus rising that was 16 years older than me. He stopped being "sexual" about 1 year after we started seeing each other. saying it was because he didn't want to worry about pregnancy. Anyway, after we got married, it was determined he had issues and didn't want to get help. Nothing I could do made him interested in me sexually. (He is not gay either). Now we are friends, but it's more like a sibling thing.

We do not have those aspects though. My Mars in Pisces opposes his Sun. HIs Venus in Leo squares my Saturn in Taurus and his moon makes harsh contacts to my Sun/ Venus. Interesting enough, my moon does not make any aspects to any of his planets.

His Pluto and Venus in Leo trine my Sun / Venus.

posted December 15, 2003 01:35 PM              

But as for the synastry aspects, my Saturn in 25.33 Aries squares both his Mars in 25.6 Cancer and his Venus in 29.9 Cancer

And his Saturn in 0.39 (retro) Pisces opposes my Venus in 28.48 Leo (by aspect only, not by sign)

We don't seem to connect very often sexually. It has more to do with timing and location issues. His Saturn in the 8th makes him very rigid about where and when that kind of thing should take place. (his house, in the morning, on the weekend...period). If I can't spend the weekend or even the night at his house, there's not going to be any action that weekend.

This is happening far too often, me not being able spend the night (I have a daughter) and it's made me vulnerable to my ex's solicitations more than once. It makes me very sad because I'm living with a ton of guilt about that, but I'm beginning to doubt to his ability to meet my needs on an ongoing basis. I think those aspects, along with his 8th house Saturn are going to be our undoing. We seem to be doomed. But it's not beyond his ability to fix it, he just won't. I've expressed my frustrations to him a few times now, but nothing has changed.

posted December 15, 2003 02:29 PM            

My Saturn in the 8th doesn't manifest itself like that for some reason. Maybe because it forms mostly harmonious aspects with my Sun and Venus, but I would never dictate where, when or how. I am a free spirit in that department. BUT, with women it may manifest differently. I can get turned off my complete coarse speech (not like sexy talk between lovers though) and I worry about being identified as a sex object. I am very sensitive to when a man I do not find attractive at all stares at me like I am the last cut of prime rib to an starving beast. LOL....sorry, but it just grosses me out.

The other Virgo I was friends with has Saturn in the 7th / 8th house and it opposes 5 of his Virgo planets. He was a psycho when he talked about sex. He would tell us that he constantly masterbated, watched pornos all the time and his Penthouse mags were used until they fell apart. Why he had to go into detail, I will never know. But, I think it's interesting that he also had his Virgo Sun and Venus in the 12th house.

This is not a slam against male Virgos, but I was talking to a therapist on a plane last August. He asked me if I was a Virgo because he noticed me right off and had always been attracted to Virgo women. I told him it was my rising, but I had once been married to a Virgo man. He shook his head and said "In my practice I noticed that the majority of my sexually dysfunctional clients were Virgo men. For some reason they have a tendency to be very uneasy with their sexuality. Throw in a Fire Mars or Venus and they have an even harder time trying to compensate for that uneasiness. They are either strict in their sex or unabashadly whorish". He was in his late 60's and a double Pisces.

He was right on though as far as my experience with Virgo men was concerned. My ex has Venus and Mars in Leo. He didn't seem to be able to cope with the passion from those planets. The weirdo Virgo had a Mars in Leo Singleton.

Wow Lioneye,

posted December 15, 2003 03:22 PM              

Could the problem with us be stemming from the Saturn aspects? I know that Virgo's can be rather repressed sexually, but many of them are not at all repressed. I really think it depends on other things in their chart. The other Virgo is not at all repressed, he has sun in the 8th, Cappy rising, moon in Leo and Mars in Scorpio in the 10th. He's not whorish though. He's very choosy, but very hot blooded. ^_~

posted December 15, 2003 04:36 PM            

Yeah, maybe with Mr. Virgo his Saturn aspects are causing too many guidelines. I mean, that whole having to spend the whole day thing together. Maybe he is worried about being used and cast away - or maybe it is a control thing. I find that Virgo men can be very smothering if they do not have good aspects. Now, my ex- he was not at all smothering he just was sexually inhibited.

The other Virgo I was friends with was even smothering as a friend. It is funny that you say that your Virgo is quick the first time around...then goes again, because I always pictured that Virgo friend of mine to be something like that. One of our friends told me that his ex complained he was like a bunny..would go for a few..release..rest...hop back on and the cycle would continue. Well, that just "ewwwwwws" me out!!!

It sounds like your Ex was more comfortable in his Virgo skin. They say that when a Virgo faces that part of them that causes these repressions, then they are free of them and can get on with their lives.

As far as the morning thing. Hmm, that is kind of odd. I am not much of a morning person, period!! I mean I am not adverse to morning antics, but I also want to just wake up...have my coffee and do my thing. What about if you get frisky at night? What about the afternoon? Oh, that would be very hard to tolerate, can you ever initiate it at other times or is he VERY strict about it? Also, if you want me to delete this after it's read, let me know okay.

posted December 15, 2003 05:35 PM            

I tried again maybe a few more times in the next year, then my heart just died where he was concerned. He always had an excuse, work was terrible, he was not feeling well, or he was having general stomach problems. He wouldn't get help and so I decided it was time to leave.

I guess there was a bit of overlap in that relationship, but as far as I was concerned, there was no marriage.

All I can say Lioneye, is if this is the courting stage and you are not satisfied with the sexual routine, what will the marriage be like? I have found that for most of us Fire signs, sex is extremely important in that it is a way we show love or how we feel. I am not very demonstrative in public, so when I am behind closed doors I want my man to know how much I missed him, how I need him and how much he means to me. When it is returned, I feel happy, when it isn't I start to wonder what is wrong.

Maybe that is a big difference with some of the Air or Earth signs, I am not sure. I do know that if it was just sex and goodbye, then I would be upset, but I don't need him around all day. I like quickies too and there is always time for that LOL....

posted December 15, 2003 06:55 PM              

And do you know why Lioneye?
I don't either,
but I have a theory that these men ENJOY it more if the woman or partner ENJOYS it less.

Sorry but that' the theory, it always worked for my ex, I felt dirty, used and stupid, he felt great. I felt happy, he felt dirty used and stupid.
JUST a competition, no equality. All taking and no giving that' the problem. Love is about GIVING, all the time, that is the receiving, it's in the giving.

Some people are just very hung up about ENJOYING sex, and restrict themselves physically. Trust me men can control it, they are not uncontrollable. Psychological impotence most of the time is caused by something physical in nature, and it can be controlled.

Very rarely is a man truly impotent in that he can never do it again, it's either due to age, hardening of the arteries, or it's controlled by something simple such as a herniated nerve or something else that can be operated on.

The question is why would a woman put up with that, when a man is not going to put up with his wife gaining 150lbs? He would try and change it. It's normal, it's the same principle. The wife can go on a diet if she cares about her marriage, or get help. The man can get help too or get viagra.

Lioneye, yours will probably say, No I can't take viagra, I have a heart condition....It's called rationalizing...he is not unhappy he just doesn't understand his own feelings and doesn't want to face them. It's laziness pure and simple in his case, he could do something.

Some men have serious issues, some not so serious. Performance anxiety is not normal if you know someone very well, and it starts happening all of a sudden. It is probably physical. To not go to the doctor is silly and immature.

It's not about arousing the man, I think with the Moon on his ascendant or Mars square Saturn the man can get aroused he just won't get an erection. the two are not the same! Being aroused has nothing to do with performance! Trust me when I say I don't care if he says it doesn't matter to him, and you are satisfied anyway and that's all that counts..he's lying...The man has to feel he can perform or else he is unhappy and will feel resentful of the partner.

With all the medical breakthroughs they have now, it's good to get him into a urologists office.

Yes I believe his moon on his ascendant is a problem, he may have issues with women being dirty/used or the virginal types, in other words he sees women in black and white. Those he can be sexual with and those he cannot. I have come across men that cannot have a relationship with a woman after sex, the always get sick of seeing her again, it makes him feel dirty/used and he does not/cannot respect her presence after that.

The opposition between mars and the moon can be tough too.

posted December 15, 2003 07:13 PM              

I'm just curious about what you are into artistically. I have only tackled writing so far myself, but I love it more and more.

What endeavors do you undertake yourself? I think I read awhile back that you are a painter? But I'm not sure about that though.

I'd love to hear about it all if you really want to answer. I think my own Pisces Moon needs lots of outlets, lol.

posted December 15, 2003 07:16 PM              

The Marquis de Sade has his Mars singleton in its own sign Aries in the 5th house where it is intercepted. He “pioneered” ideas of self-centered and brutal sexuality. The word “sadism” is derived from his name. He was hated and condemned by the Church, and seems to have actively violated its sexual dogma and doctrine. He spent most of his life in prison for expressing his perverse ideas. The Mars square Venus-Saturn suggests he may have loathed women and/or been frustrated by them. Traditional values were anathema to him. He wrote brilliant pornography with shocking stories of depravity. Perhaps a good part of his sexual activity took place in his mind and was acted out by his pen. (Uranus is also a singleton in the 1st house; so he could hardly help but be a rebel and shocking to the status quo).

Women with Mars singletons are interesting characters. They stand out in their fields because of their drive, assertiveness and leadership. They show remarkable ability to pioneer and to survive.
http://www.monsieurlesix.be/history/data.html
Actual birthdata

posted December 15, 2003 07:25 PM              

Houses falling down
Foreclosure on the loan
Listen to that door moan
Where are all the people?
Not here where the snow falls
Away in brand new Shopping Malls
Look away from that house
Don't go near the Turnpike
Don't dare to go anywhere near
anything but artificial Reindeer

There you go, that's one to get you started,

Take Care,
Playful Fish,
I know many Pisces moon's and they are always very funny too.

posted December 15, 2003 07:30 PM              

i am having relationship issues too. not the ones like yours, just different. but problematic nonetheless.

i personally went to two readers who helped me understand the situation and what kinds of choices i needed to make. luckily, the ones i went to were really good and able to provide insight without me saying anything. one said, "he's a geek!"

(he is).

sometimes they can help find that exact locus we can't put our finger on, but know it's there.

hope this helps and best of luck to you.

posted December 15, 2003 07:43 PM              

Jason has his Mars in Pisces trine his Saturn in Scorpio.

posted December 15, 2003 11:36 PM              

Hi there! Lol, when I say writing, that actually means lots of poetry already too.

I just started writing it again last year. But I do enjoy philosophizing ( is that actually a real word? lol ), in prose form about many a subject too, whether I accomplish that on message boards, or just in the privacy of my own journal.

I have wondered about my abilities with paint, because I know that Pisces are so very known for that as well.

When I was younger and had art class in school, I really didn't do very well with it. But, it could have been because I was extremely nervous about things having to do with coordination back then though, and I wasn't able to relax enough to enjoy it very much.

I also flunked out at gym too, while I shined at almost all of the academics though, go figure, lol.

I have enjoyed sketching by my lonesome on and off for years though, when I knew that I wouldn't be graded on any of it.

Thanks for the words about Pisces Moons being funny. I like to think that I am amusing too, lol.

posted December 15, 2003 11:36 PM              

.gloria

posted December 16, 2003 12:03 PM              

Do not buy any book over $20 start cheap at first and buy lots and lots of paper. Try pencils, charcoal, and even ink, Iove ink on paper there is a painterly quality and it's cheap and fast.
Try books, cubes and then plants to start.

I know a Pisces moon I just turned on to drawing and she is exceptional.

Gloria
I am curious about that too, as I met a man once with Saturn on my Mars and we were highly attracted, almost too much. Is your friend very sexy and charming, and is difficult for him to handle friendships with women who are not his lovers? He may be more mental than physical.