posted February 15, 2004 09:50 PM              

Mark
6th house-what's mine is yours to use
Been mulling over the 6th house and wondering if planets placed there are given over to authorities to use - authorities = boss, church, the greater good. The 6th is very much a Descendant house. In the 7th the planet may actually be projected on the other. In the 6th we know it is ours, but we give it over, it is public domain. We loan it out. So the sixth has become a work house, since work is very much this loaning out of ourselves. But really it is a more general giving away of something that is ours. Both with good and problematic results. So while a in the 6th may make us good little workers it can cause other problems since is very much 'for' the person him of herself. Also making and 6th house placements quite tricky I would imagine, at least in part.

I have in the 6th, which makes it a bit confusing for me, but I can see where I have loaned out my to others, serving as their imagnination, healer, soother, double - this last in an almost psychodramatic sense, actually becoming them. It is almost as if is not for me.

I am interested in hearing from those you with planets in the 6th if you feel like those energies are 'for' other people and or also you are more comfortable if an authority has some control of your planet. I hope that last is clear.
Mark~
What you mentioned earlier about themes of Guilt (6th) and Shame (12th), I can relate to that!

I have conj. Vesta, in the 6th. conjunct vesta opposes my /Chiron conjunction in the 12th. is in a grand trine with and .

My role has often been that of the psychologist ~ . From a young age I have been this through the language of astrology ~ . I felt I was my mother's psychologist as a child ~ talk about role reversal!
I have always been interested in alternative healing and have found the methods to be much more useful to me than 'Western' modalities~I've studied herbal medicine and Reiki, for myself and to share. As Molly mentioned I want to get to the root, not just receive a band-aid.

The most fulfilling work I've had has been in open-minded, unique, 'spiritual' environments where I felt there to be a deeper purpose in my being there. I can also see some Uranian and Plutonian bosses in my previous jobs too!

I have found to be agonizing in terms of self-analyzation!! Hence, the feelings of guilt. But is also a profound observer.

My mother also has in the 6th and she works in the health and nutrition industry though not a nurse, she works with vitamins and herbs. Her mother was a nurse though. Alas, my mother refused to let me stay home either, one time dropping me off at school in my pajamas because I refused to go - I walked straight back home like any Aries with a stubborn Leo moon would!

Law

This is a timely topic for me as well. I too have a Pluto in the 6th/Virgo. My North Node is there as well if you use the Placidus system (5th House if Koch).

I tend to ascribe to Lance's idea of service as a noble and desirable thing. So, much so that it isn't really about the other person I'm helping so much as it is about a desire to be a good person for my own sake.

I think problems arise when it comes to choosing who I should serve and when and deciding what is the right thing to do (Tolstoy's 3 questions). For example, I might spend an hour writing an e-mail or make a post on the internet to try and help somebody with their own personal problems out of this desire to be a good person and help people... I genuinely want to do it... but then it comes at my own expense. I might skip doing a reading assignment for school while writing the e-mail or post when I should in fact be studying for an exam.

With the South Node in the 12th house and Pisces for me, there's a tendancy to escape into these sorts of ideals... basically when I get into one of these modes where I try to help people directly at my own expense, I justify it with a Walter Mitty sort of fantasy about the extent to which I'm really helping or comforting that individual. It justifies procrastinating on the things I need to do for myself. It's a form of fear.

I'm reminded of an example from science fiction. Has anybody read Ray Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles? I'm sure many of you have. It's one of my favorite books.

Anyway, one of the stories therein involves one of the last martians left on Mars after human colonization. He's a shape-shifter and has some form of telepathy, iirc, so he can access people's memories and details about their life. Essentially, the story is about his efforts to replace the lost loved ones of people in this little town. The martian is essentially alone on Mars. He's one of the last of his species (they've been wiped out), and by giving people what they want, he finds comfort himself. I think it begins where he becomes a man's little son (who had previously died) and brings that person great joy. But, there's a point where he leaves the man and goes to find somebody else and becomes one of their loved ones. The thing is, the choice to become somebody's loved one... it's not entirely his own. He's transformed based upon the great emotional need of people he comes across. Ultimately, the townspeople find out his secret and a great mob of them surround the martian in a dramatic scene, each shouting out the name of their own lost loved one, etc., each with terrible pain of loss, each wanting desparately for the martian to become that person. The martian is horribly and painfully overwhelmed as he changes form repeatedly until he is dead. (this is a rather crude and emotion-less analogy, but if you've ever seen the movie "Terminator 2," I'm reminded of the scene where the "T1000" character is destroyed and he, for a few moments, begins transforming into his various victims/assumed shapes)

This story seems to capture that service/slavery dynamic, I think, that folks have been talking about.

However, I believe there's still, in large part, a choice involved on the part of the person serving. For me, the resolution of this house involves knowing what the right choices are, how to say "no," to others and knowing when I must say, "yes" to myself. And of course, ultimately, by taking care of my own business, it makes it easier for me to help others or puts me in a position to help others in more profound, useful, and real ways (less fantasy... more reality).

This might helps others with their sixth house, the sixth house also rules volunteers, leaders, nuns, teachers and nurses. Teachers used to barred from marriage because they were "in service".
I have felt a strong need to help groups and serve a purpose in this life,

How does your sixth house manifest?
With my Pluto conjunct Uranus I am always investigating.

posted February 15, 2004 10:52 PM              

Lately I've been wondering what having 3 of my planets in the 6th hs means. Especially since they are all in Scorpio.

The 6th has to do with serving others, the type of work we do, and our health. I have Mercury, Mars and Neptune all in Scorpio in the 6th. In some ways I wonder if this is a contradiction in energies.

And I wonder if this is the reason why I hate the thought of getting money for work. Yup... I'd rather work for free, if I could. Maybe because when I'm doing something I love so much, money doesn't enter my mind, so when I get paid it's starts to put a focus on the MONEY rather than the joy with which I entered in the first place.

Can anyone else relate, or help me understand what this is?

Thanks!

.gloria

posted February 16, 2004 05:34 PM              

According to what Natasia said, it's important for 6th hs to get credit, appreciation, acknowledgment for a job well done.

WOW NATASIA! I never even considered that, but makes sense for what I've experienced.

Pixel - I wish I was able to receive more support for a job well done. It's almost like needing someone to hold my hand in many ways. If you were my supervisor, how would you advise me? Natasia?

Thanks!

.gloria

posted February 16, 2004 10:20 PM              

She has made this company, but gets no credit because she doesn't ask for credit at the TIME it's deserved. So I would say to you, make out a list of all the good things you do and read that list daily. Eventually you will credit for one of those things.

And then the fish won't bother you!

posted February 16, 2004 10:56 PM              

For a quite a few years now, I've worked basically solo. Have received super good feedback from my clients, and I know I do a good job. But when you put EVERYTHING into it, like your heart, soul, blood... a 6th hs might still make me feel like I'm falling short? (based on my own conclusion) - and maybe because all these Scorpio planets in the 6th? In other words, nothing half way...

???

posted February 18, 2004 01:02 AM              

This is my experience of the 6th house. I am a giver but I have my moments of getting really ****** at myself for giving too much.
I laughed so hard when I read the post about not wanting to take money for work!! That's me and i've done that before. I think the 6th house is also about self worth. Many times those with planets in the 6th can mean sombody that has the desire to help people. However sometimes the appreciation is not there.
I know from experience when I am not appreciated for my "helpfulness" I feel defeated. Like my worth is connected to satisfying other's needs.
The sixth house also has to do with the body and soul connection. For example if someone has Saturn in the 6th one could say that this person may use their body for their work. I know the singer Sting has either Saturn or Pluto in the 6th and he uses his body in his profession. But more importantly he is highly attuned to his body in a spiritual way. He is big on Yoga and has the ability to practice tantic sex. So people with planets in the 6th probably would benefit from participating in the healing arts. Whether they take a Yoga class or practice accupuncture.
any way I think it'll be really interesting to read other people's experiences with the 6th -Peace-
Jupiter

posted February 18, 2004 05:47 AM              

The last job I had was the pits! Which made me think of doing something else, so I invested time and money in training in alternative therapies until I reached the stage of being able to do it for a living.

It's been a harsh 3 years, I've had to learn that the majority of people do not respect or value treatments given for free. The more people I treat the better I become. The more challenging the client the more I research and learn. I've also learnt that I'm not the one doing the healing, it's the client. I empower them to find out things for themselves and make changes in their lifestyles. Because I never feel I'm good enough I don't become blase about what I do, I'm always aware that someone is an individual, so I cannot treat everyone the same, or make the same moves.

There is also a fine line between empowering someone and having them become dependent.

I love what I do, and hope I will be able to help people for many years to come, and continue my own journey of discovery into the human condition.

posted February 18, 2004 12:52 PM              

How do you think that relates to your Mars in Sag? BTW - I'm also in the Healing Arts, and it was interesting to read what you shared about your experiences. Care to share anything else? Feel free.

.gloria

posted February 19, 2004 12:21 PM              

I have a 6th house Jupiter (really a 5th house, but it is at 17°49 and 6th house cusp at 18° ) plus Chiron, they are both in aries. Jupiter is expansion and optimism, that means I take on my work optimistically? Knowing me like I do, I would suggest that you become a workaholic, jupiter wanting more and more and expanding. I've only been working now for 1.5 years, I spent my sons first 6 years as a stay at home mom. Now I have a very demanding job, where I work at least 10 hours a day and which is VERY travel intense (I have been in 5 cities the past 9 days). Chiron also in the 6th makes work a healing thing for me, I find I just don't have the time to worry and grumble about how bad life sucks. It also makes me feel important to have a job (I know, how lame)

OTOH, having a taurus moon makes me a sucker for punishment, and so my generous jupiter that wants to work gets totally taken advantage of. I had over 1000 hours of overtime last year, unpaid and taken for granted. The hoping taurus moon thinks, your boss will notice one day and you will be rewarded, whereas jupiter just wants to be happy and work in peace. Add my gemini sun and my scorp asc and you have someone who whines to everyone about how they get used, everyone except the boss....grrrrr

Jupiter also squares Saturn (almost an exact square) and is conjunct Mars. The jup-saturn square makes me a hard worker?? Not quite sure what the jup-mars conj. mean.

I like trying to figure everything out!

posted February 19, 2004 01:01 PM              

In addition to my Mercury, Mars & Neptune in 6th, I also have Venus & Pluto in Virgo, and my 5th House Cusp is ruled by Virgo.