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dafremen
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posted February 25, 2004 05:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm working on a method for estimating Moon sign with a birthdate and a calculator. I'm almost done, but the accuracy is a bit off. I'll post it here when it's finished. If anyone else has a formula, I'd be interested in seeing it.

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Harpyr
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posted February 25, 2004 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Daf, your grasp of numbers astounds me.
I would have no idea how to go about figuring something like that out without an ephemeris.

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dafremen
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posted February 28, 2004 09:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why thank you. I tried going the scientific route, but the equations were too complex to remember and wouldn't work without a scientific calculator. (One that doesn't round numbers off.) After fooling with it for about 2 weeks, it's been tweeked down to where it is probably right about 7 or 8 times out of ten and usually gets the moon sign correct within 10 degrees. Here is a brief overview of the formula. I'll elaborate when there is more time.

(Works for dates from 1900 on..I think.)
Example is October 14, 1968

1. Get the birthdate

2. Subtract 1900 from the year.
1968 - 1900 = 68

3. Multiply result by 365.24709
68 * 365.24709 = 24836.802

4. Determine offset for month.
(Number of days prior to the beginning of the month.) These are:

jan 0
feb 31
mar 59
apr 90
may 120
jun 151
jul 181
aug 212
sep 243
oct 273
nov 304
dec 334

October = 273

5. Add month offset to previous value:
24836.802 + 273 = 25109.802

6. Subtract one from the date and add this to the previous value.
14 - 1 = 13
25109.802 + 13 = 25122.802

7. Determine if year is a leap year.
Divide by 4..if there is a decimal fraction, the year is not a leap year. Otherwise, if the year divides by 4 evenly and doesn't end with 00, then it is a leap year. If the year ends in 00 then it is not a leap year, unless it also divides by 400 with no fraction left over.
1968 / 4 =
1968 was a leap year.

8. If leap year, subtract 0.5 from calculated value if Jan or Feb, add 0.5 if any other month.
25122.802 + .5 = 25123.302

9. Divide by 27.321666
25123.302 / 27.321666 = 919.5377

10. Subtract the value to the left of the decimal point.
919.5377 - 919 = .5377

11. Multiply by 1296000
.5377 * 1296000 = 696859.2

12. Add 980699. If result is greater than 1296000, subtract 1296000.
696859.2 + 980699 = 1677558.2
Greater than 1296000
1677558.2 - 1296000 = 381558.2

13. Add 108000.
381558.2 + 108000 = 489558.2

14. Divide by 108000 to determine the Moon sign. (1 = Aries, 2 = Taurus...etc)
489558.2 / 108000 = 4.5329462
(Moon was in Cancer)

15. Subtract value to left of decimal, multiply by 30 to get degrees.
4.5329462 - 4 = .5329462
.5329462 * 30 = 15.988386
( Moon was at approximately 15 degrees Cancer at 00:00 GMT October 14, 1968)

16. Subtract value to left of decimal, multiply by 60 to get minutes.
15.988386 - 15 = .988386
.988386 * 60 = 59.30316
(15 Cancer 59)

17. Subtract value to left of decimal, multiply by 60 to get seconds.
59.30316 - 59 = .30316
.30316 * 60 = 18.1896

Final approximate Moon sign at Midnight Greenwich Mean Time was:

15 Cancer 59 18


(Which according to my ephemeris, is pretty close.)

Disclaimer: This formula is NOT exact. If the equation indicates one sign, but the degrees show that the moon was about to leave that sign, assume that the Moon could have reached the next sign by the time the person was born. Most people were not born near midnight GMT. THe equation can be up to a half day off or so, I'll work on a more accurate one. This is the one that anyone can do with a calculator in about 2 minutes or so. Not having an ephemeris for the 21st century, I can't guarantee that the equation will work as well for bithdates after 2000. Let me know. Enjoy.)

daf


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cristiname
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posted February 29, 2004 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
daf, no offence...but I'd rather try my luck with a program that would do it in a second, plus a load of other stuff....

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dafremen
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posted February 29, 2004 07:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And when you're sitting in the middle of the park, talking to a new aquaintance? I've got Solarfire, but it does me no good if I'm nowhere near it. This formula allows me to grab a calculator, which I can keep in my pocket, or borrow, or (gasp and forbid!) replace with a pencil if all else fails. It took about 3 days of putting birthdates through the equation to memorize it, I'm sure that jotting it down on a piece of paper isn't beyond anyone's abilities, particularly those who love astrology.

Just yesterday there was a gentleman hitting on my wife. I slipped into the conversation and when the opportunity came up, I asked his birthdate. Knowing that he was a Scorp was good, but until I knew what was under that Scorp Sun, it did only minimal good, particularly with a Scorp. 2 minutes and a few calculations later, armed with knowledge of his Cancer Moon sign, I quickly scared the would-be Cassanova away by revealing too much about his personal tastes and habits for his secretive Scorp nature or his privacy minded Cancer nature to stand.

Knowing the Sun and Moon sign of a stranger is like seeing their poker hand from the reflection in their glasses.

daf

p.s. There are some pretty wide discepencies for birthdates that fall during leap years. I'm working on rectifying that problem.

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gloomy sag
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posted February 29, 2004 08:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am speechless... I tried your system of calculations but got lost somewhere on the way

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Harpyr
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posted March 01, 2004 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, daf..
I think I did all the computations properly.. My birthdate is Nov. 27, 1978.. my moon sign is at 7.20 Scorpio.

The equation said my moon sign was at 25 deg. Libra.. So pretty close but not quite.

Maybe you could check it and see if you get something different?

I am still completely blown away that you have figured this out. I can certainly see how it would come in handy for an astroaholic like you.. and me.

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dafremen
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posted March 03, 2004 03:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me repeat something that I mentioned before. This formula will give you an approximate Moon sign for midnight Greenwich Mean Time on the date of your birth. If you were born at 11PM that day in England, you'd want to add a day to the calculation. If you were born at 12:01AM that day, but further ahead of the clock than Greenwich, then you would need to guesstimate for that.

In your example Harp, the calculation said 25 Libra, but since the Moon takes about 2.5 days to move through each sign, it moves about 12 degrees or so per day. Just a half day means you're at 1 Scorpio. So 25 Libra only reads Libra if you're dealing with an individual born near the Prime Meridian around midnight. 25 Libra, for most people is going to read early Scorpio. I suppose that it might be easier for folks stateside if we adjusted the equation by half a day or so. That way it would reflect the Moon sign in relation to North America. I'll work on that.

I wanted to point out to folks that I'm no mathematician, in fact, I've been desperately looking for an old trig book so that I can continue my research. Math was always my worst subject,(and as a high school drop out, I don't guess any of them were particularly my best subjects.)

There is some information that is related to this in a way. I'm going to add it to a post under Universal Codes. There is an equation that no human being could have created that contains the basic numeric building blocks of astrological knowledge. See "Can you prove the existence of the Creator? I can."
The circumference of the Earth is laid out in astrological terms by the very order of the numeric digits themselves.

dear sag..don't be so gloomy..it's a lot of numbers. Take it slow and double check your work. Use the example until you get the right answer each step of the way a few times in a row. Then try plugging your own values into the equation. You'll get it, archers usually hit the targets they aim for.

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Harpyr
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posted March 04, 2004 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah ha... Yeah I was born in Alaska at 6:36p soo, yeah.. I get it. Thanks, daf.

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dafremen
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posted March 07, 2004 03:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Add about 25920 to 980699 (see step 12) for a 12 hour difference.

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dafremen
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posted March 16, 2004 01:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you would, please email me Harpie...I've got a question for you.

daf

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theFajita3
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posted March 16, 2004 02:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Impressive daf!

I do agree sometimes I want to know that about a stranger...but can't run to a computer..

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dafremen
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posted March 25, 2004 12:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not done sharing this with you astrophiles yet....

daf

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dafremen
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posted July 04, 2004 09:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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26taurus
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posted July 05, 2004 02:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amazing Daf! How is this coming along?

I havnt even attempted to use your formula.
I am slightly dyslexic. Although I somehow forced myself over the years - for the most part - to overcome it, through childhood embarassment (virgo moon). I am still very bad with numbers and math. They get all jumbled and are a big swirling mess in my head.

I'd imagine it comes in very handy when someone is not near a computer. Wow! Great job!!

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 17, 2004 01:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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dafremen
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posted February 17, 2008 09:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a slight almost sine wave wobble to the calculation that I don't know enough math to cancel out. That's where most of the inaccuracy is coming from. (Possibly 1 sign off if their moon falls along the cusp of the actual Sign)

Anyone know of a formula that could cancel out a sine wave..given the sine wave amplitude x and position Y?

daf

P.S. I'd be interested to hear from people that have tried this formula..with or without success. It's a work in progress.

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Glaucus
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posted February 17, 2008 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taurus,

I am sure that your Dyslexia is good for thinking outside the box,intuition,imagination,visualization,and lateral/global thinking

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