posted April 27, 2004 06:35 PM            

Hitler (4/20/1889) TAURUS
Lenin (4/22/1870) TAURUS
Saddam Hussien (4/28/1937)TAURUS
Pol Pot (I found two dates) (04/25/28 & 5/19/25) Both TAURUS
Carl Marx was also apparently a Taurus (although not a despot, but many despots based their reigns on the his ideologies).

I found a few others to be Cappys (Stalin, Mao). Of course, like anything, if you look at ALL dictators, their birthdays are spread out all over the Zodiac. But some of the more well-known ones seem to be Taurus' (in the 20th Century anyway).

What part, if any, do you think astrology (and the fact that they were Taurus') played in influencing them?

I don't have all the birthtimes, but from charts I've run using Noon I got:

Hitler: Sun/Taurus Moon/Cappy Venus/Taurus Mars/Taurus (Venus/Mars conj by .32 debrees)
Lenin: Sun/Taurus Moon/Cappy Venus/Pisces Mars/Aries
Saddam: Sun/Taurus Moon/Sag Venus/Aries Mars/Sag
Pol Pot: Sun/Taurus Moon/Cancer Venus/Aries Mars/Gemini OR
Sun/Taurus Moon/Aries Venus/Gemini Mars/Cancer

posted April 28, 2004 12:54 PM              

(glad to see that the Leo list was relatively short...we have a bad enough rep as it is )

posted April 28, 2004 01:19 PM            

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I don't really think one sign in particular has more despotic tendencies than another as far as just the Sun sign is concerned. That would be a frightening imbalance and lead to all sorts of crazy things ... just like no sign has more "saintly" tendencies than another just through the Sun's placement.

It is, however, very interesting to see how all the different signs, planets, houses, and aspects work together in a chart, particularly those of Hitler and such. "Astrology for the Millions" by Grant Lewi has a chapter titled, The Powerful People where he takes a good deep look at the charts of Hitler and FDR in comparison to their lives ... particularly in regards to Saturn and its influence. Very interesting. Here's a quote from the beginning of that chapter:

quote:

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In no place do the workings of the Planets become more nearly visible to the naked eye than in the careers of those whose destiny is power. We sense that they are supported on the waves of the world's strife by some peculiar Thing. We may call it genius or destiny, or psychopathic drive, but whatever we call it, we are sure to be uneasily aware of its existence. If, trying to explain this power, we examine the Vitasphere of the strong, we shall approach close to the heart of their secret of strength. We find that the powerful people of destiny are simply living up to the movement of Planets through their Vitasphere with astonishing accuracy. The sense of ego and will that dominates the strong is apparantly a delusion of nature, a trick played on those who are the special agents of fate, whom fate slyly flatters with the chimera of will power, that they may more completely fill out the role assigned to them. For, throughout the course of their lives, these great people of the world do nought but respond, precisely on time, to the influences brought to bear upon them by Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars marching implacably through the sectors of their Vitasphere.

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His look at Hitler is particularly intriguing.

Oh, yes, thank you merkat for that wonderful link. There's a lot to be studied there and thanks for sharing.

posted April 28, 2004 01:25 PM              

He was pretty lyrical, I always loved the interesting word usements he would fashion. This excerpt is worth the read...I love the first line...

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Astrology, bar sinister in the escutcheon of astronomy, maintains a unique and lonely position in human thought. It is "believed in" by a lot of people who know practically nothing about it; and it is "disbelieved in" by even more who know absolutely nothing about it.

Of no other art or science can this be said.

Astronomy, the haughty offspring of astrology, has developed through the centuries into a science of celestial measurement. It has developed even further than the lay mind can comprehend, into a sort of metaphysics of time, space and motion which only initiates can talk about, let alone comprehend.

Astrology is making a comeback and its revival has raised a storm of controversy. The modern interest in the ancient art/science has evoked an intense denunciation, for while everyone knows his or her Sun sign and while zodiac jewelry sells in the millions, many adherents to the findings of traditional science have become concerned that the return of astrology is flooding society with worthless and even harmful superstition and irrationalism.

Astrology is not a deterministic straightjacket, nor a system of prediction which maps out an inescapable future. So predictable are some people and some situations that astrology may have at times seemed to see into the future. But this is not the case; the future remains open.

Everything else, however lofty, however universal, is dwarfed by the crusade of the individual seeking peace on Earth. History is the story of this search, as we and our ancestors have prowled up and down the Earth in war and peace - and our efforts to relate more satisfyingly to the conditions of existence. These efforts have produced religion, science, art, literature, metaphysics - in a word, what we call civilization and culture. At the center of them all stands the individual, who in all ages, on whichever deity he or she may rely, is always compelled, for the ultimate solution to perplexities, back into the mystery of Self.

As if by inescapable instinct, each individual seems to know that inside is the root and germ of all that is possible. We seek for knowledge and acquire it; we struggle for power and gain possessions; we seek a voice within the strident farce of embattled egos; we rant aloud at unfairness of circumstance or bless the gods for what we call luck. Yet beneath all this we know that the final and irreducible sum total of our happiness lies in the secret of the Self. Any means by which we may approach the mystery of self-understanding is the most important thing in the world.

Because of this, the human race is lavish in heaping honors on the head of the poet, the philosopher, the psychoanalyst - on those who are devoted to the study of humanity. They are humankind's foremost friends and servants. Whatever aids in the achievement of self-knowledge, and therefore of self-mastery and happiness, belongs in the permanent treasure trove of human possessions.

The endurance of astrology is one of our surest indexes of the value we place on ourselves and on our destiny. Its roots were planted thousands of years ago; its branches include every race that has a history. The Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Persians, Native Americans and East Indians, all had and have their astrology. The Greeks acquired it from the East, and the western world inherits it today. First carefully guarded, it was part of the Hermetic doctrine of the priests and priestesses of Isis, a rubric of government in Egypt. Today these long-occluded teachings are being made public by the likes of Ishbel and other devotees of the order. Later astrology became the luxury of kings and captains, a means of determining propitious moments for victory and of guarding against or slaying enemies.

Astrology evolved from esoteric and private uses, until today we have it for what it is: a science dealing with inner, and ultimate, causes behind human conduct. It has escaped from the airs of mystery and odors of sanctity that surrounded it when self-serving authorities used it to frighten and subjugate their flocks

There are many poor astrologers. There are some charlatans. There are some who will tell you what they believe you want to hear and who rely upon their gift for gab rather than the body of astrological knowledge. But their existence no more disproves astrology than the existence of a few quacks discredits medicine, or our experience of dishonest sales people proves the corruption of the market place. It just means you should check out astrologers in much the same way you would check out a physician, an automobile dealer or a door-to-door solicitor.

Yet astrology is eluding the grasp of charlatans who would exploit it as a mystic rite for which the uninitiated must pay a fancy price. It is rapidly wearing away the stigma attached to fortunetelling, has emerged in the humanistic, psychology-oriented 20th century, and now leads us into the 21st century as an essential cog in the machinery of humanity's understanding of itself.

Today's attempts to push astrology to the cultural fringe is largely a matter of fashion. Astrology remains a tunic in this age of suits.

posted April 28, 2004 02:21 PM            

Luckily hubby isn't a dictatorial type person (and even if he was, he'd be in for a rude awakening w/ this Scorp)

Charles Manson was a Scorpio after all...

posted April 28, 2004 02:34 PM              

Hitler had several planets in the third house (similar to JFK), and acheived power through communication.

Birds of a feather flock together but they need a leader at some point to scapegoat.

posted April 28, 2004 02:35 PM            

Aquarians What company I keep.

posted April 28, 2004 02:46 PM              

So you can be lead around by a Taurus, or tortured by a Gemini on a bad day! Try having a Gemini Ex with a Gemini Moon! Ha, Ha, Ha, you'd never escape, because he'd never stop talking to you on instant messenger!!

Interesting!

Dracula was written by a Taurus in response to the growing threat of Syphillis in Northern Europe. (another blood borne disease) At the time it's spread was uncontained and origin unknown. Therefore vampirism links sex with disease (slow death), already popular in the mind of Europe.

Vampires didn't live forever, they died slowly and lived diseased.

At least that was Bram Stoker's point,
Paranoia about sex is always popular.

But it's interesting that Dracula's psyche would be labeled as a Sag. Sag's are intensely moral and so an anti moral Sag would be very dangerous.

One of HItler's right hand men had the Sun in 0 Degrees Sag. 0 Degrees says a lack of.
Don't ask me which one, because you can't find this stuff anymore. But I know he had another Taurus, a Scorpio (mad scientist), a Libra (leader of the S.S who was also in charge of who was allowed to marry and who was not), and a Sag. The Sag was the most loyal and died with Hitler.

posted April 30, 2004 01:29 AM              

Did you know he's written a TON of books? The only one I could get my teeth into was this one::