posted June 28, 2004 09:43 AM              

Even though Virgo is harmonious with Taurus and Scorpio, looking at an orb of 10 degrees or less forming an aspect...there is a wide T-Square here.

It's easy to see the opposition between Moon in Taurus at 24 degrees and Mars in Scorpio at 22 degrees; there is only a 2 degree orb. The not-as-obvious square formed by Venus at 1 degree Virgo does apply (24 degrees Taurus/24 degrees LEO is an exact square) going forward 7 degrees, will cross over to 1 degree Virgo and still form a square with a 7 degree orb.

The same applies from the square on the other side of Venus, Mars at 22 degrees Scorpio. Beginning at 22 degrees and going forward to 1 degree SAGITTARIUS, there is a wide square with a 9 degree orb. (Virgo and Sagittarius being the squared signs).

I don't know if this makes sense; an example I can give is from my own chart: I have both Uranus and Jupiter in Cancer, forming a wide square to my Moon in Scorpio, even though Cancer and Scorpio are trined signs. Uranus and Jupiter are at the END of Cancer, and the Moon is at the BEGINNING of Scorpio, so the square which would be exact at the end of LIBRA, still applies even though the Moon carries over to Scorpio because it is within the orb of degrees to form a square.

I think these are called out-of-sign aspects. Another example from my chart would be my Neptune/Moon conjunction, despite the fact that Neptune is at the end of Libra and the Moon at the beginning of Scorpio...it is still a conjunction because of the orb of degrees.

If you haven't already, go to Astro.com where you can get your chart done for free. Once you have that go to the Astro Click section where you can click on the various sections and get interpretations for the aspects, and placements of your planets in both the signs AND the houses. The houses your T-Square planets fall in are just as important as the signs they're in; maybe even more so because it is the houses that show the areas of life the effects of an aspect (in your case the T-Square) are likely to manifest.

I hope this helps a little.

posted June 28, 2004 03:46 PM              

In the spirit of sharing information and helping one another, could you please share any excellent resources you have come across regarding the T-Square? I'd love to learn as much as I can.

Thanks.

.gloria

posted June 28, 2004 09:23 PM              

This is the only resource I have to date, but I think it's a good one.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TCross15.1.htm

As I said, I'm still learning about this too because I only realized I even had a T-Square a year or so ago. The other source of my information about this was an astrological mentor whom is no longer here.

May I ask, what planets/signs/houses are involved in your T-Square? I like the suggestion of looking at the 'empty leg' of the 3-legged chair for solutions to problems this aspect can bring. In my case with all the intensity going on with especially Pluto/Saturn and Leo/Scorpio, my 'empty leg' is Aquarius and looking to this sign's energies and learning to utilize them has helped me a lot...believe me! Funny, since all my life some of my favorite people have been Aquarians; it's as though I was drawn to them before I ever realized I needed to learn what they had to teach.

posted June 28, 2004 09:39 PM              

Cancer / Capricorn Opposition
Scorpio Focal Point
Aries Empty Space ( in the 12th hs no less)

.gloria

posted June 29, 2004 12:49 AM              

Sun Scorpio opp. Moon Taurus
Sun&Moon square Jupiter Aquarius

posted June 29, 2004 01:48 AM              

You do have a T square still, by degrees, but the tension typical of this formation is weakened in your case because the of the out-of-sign factor of the aspect.

So, in your case, it's probably not a huge influence, at least not as much as it would be if your Venus was around 24 degrees Leo. THAT would be a much more influencial T square.

posted June 29, 2004 10:33 AM              

Then there's that third leg you can lean back on (Aquarius) when the others get tired, but if the table tries to balance on the missing leg (Leo), all the energies built up from the Oppositions and that third leg gets thrown towards it.

posted June 29, 2004 12:20 PM              

But whenever in doubt, think of the planets and signs as characters interacting with each other. So you'd read up on Scorpio. Then Taurus. And especially something like Linda's "Love Signs", looking at Scorpio & Taurus as a couple. That way, you'll understand their interaction dynamics.

See?

Then think of Leo as the one that has to take the most stress, since it HAS NO leg on the opposite end to equally share the burden.

Then, think of Aquarius being the form the immediate reaction it endures when other legs get tired. Since there is no planet in that spot, you study Aquarius attributes, and then put that character in the 4th House, which is where it lands for you.

I could generalize and say, you've had or will have unexpected upheavels and changes in your home environment. See? It happens because it is a weak point with no planet balancing out the energies in your Wheel. Think of the Aqua placement as your "BLIND SPOT".

Ex: Mine is in Aries in 12th House. So you can see that when all the energies build up in my T-Square, the stress falls in the lap of an impulsive Aries (quick w/no forethought), in a 12th House (secrets, self-undoing)!!! So you can sort of imagine what type of troubles I've had.

As for the Opposites, you'll vascilate between the extremes of Scorpio, and of Taurus. The Leo is sort of the mediator, or judge, but a very tired one who can't maintain all the stress ALONE. Leo is going to be THE MOST IMPORTANT in all this, because it's how all your work will be done because in essence, here is where you will be funneling the fate of the table's fall into lap of the Aquarius placement. See? How well you do your work in Leo will determine the fate of your fall.

Ex: For me, Opp Cancer/Capricorn. I have trouble merging my emotional side with my disciplined serious side. It's like I approach life with one extreme or the other, such as overworking myself, and then paying for it by having to deal head-on with what it's done to my emotional health. Or, I'll go with the moody Cancer, while work piles up. The mediator in all this is Scorpio, and this is where the most important work will be done because when IT gives out, I will fall into the lap of Aries in the 12th.

posted June 29, 2004 05:08 PM              

I didn't feel like I could manage any of my challenges until after I was 30. And even then, you go gradually, little by little, learning as you go, until you recognize certain situations you've been through before and are able to consciously deal with it.

Someone else here may be able to shine more light on it for you, I DO understand what you're curious about.