posted July 21, 2004 02:32 PM              

"You don't own me"

Saggies?

Natasha:>

posted July 21, 2004 02:48 PM              

This Cappy here with Venus in Sag sextile Uranus, certainly has said so.

posted July 21, 2004 03:54 PM              

Also the placement of more "strong-willed" planets, in particular Mars ad Uranus, play more in giving a person a sense of independence. Example: I have Libra Uranus conjunct to ASC in 1st and Aqua Mars in the 5th, which make up a grand trine with my Venus in the 9th house - despite having a prepondeence of mutable signs, I am a highly independant person and anyone who's spent a few minutes with me will know that.

Other possible indicators of independant streaks:

- Mars or Uranus in a fire or air sign

- a preponderence of fire or air signs/ a noticeable lack of water or earth signs

- a preponderence of fixed or cardinal signs

- Mars or Uranus in the 1st House, especially if conjunct with ASC

- a strong aspect, like T-square, stellium or Grand Cross that involves the 1st house

- Mars, Uranus or an aspect/part of aspect in the 3rd or 9th house

- a 3rd house to 9th house opposition involving Uranus, Moon, Mars or Sun

- ASC opposite Moon or Sun

- Sun or moon conjunct Mars or Uranus

- Uranus or Mars squared MC

- and sometimes 10th house activity can stir up a need for emancipation, the 2nd house the need to "clean house," and the 6th house to "cut the crap" - so don't count those out, even though they're all associated with earth signs

posted July 21, 2004 04:23 PM              

I understand where they're coming from sometimes though, since my apparent, haphazard impulsive nature, scares the he11 out of anyone that cares for me, or comes along for the ride! (when it surfaces)

I'm not purposefully careless ever. I care deeply. It's just I have a different way of getting to places sometimes, and others panic at my A - B approach, rather than the mapped route

posted July 21, 2004 04:44 PM              

Other possible indicators of independant streaks:

- Mars or Uranus in a fire or air sign
**mars in aries and uranus in libra

- a preponderence of fire or air signs/ a noticeable lack of water or earth signs
**one earth planet (unaspected moon), and one water planet, Saturn. Fire and Air evenly distributed.

- a preponderence of fixed or cardinal signs
**7 cardinal planets/AC

- Mars or Uranus in the 1st House, especially if conjunct with ASC
**Mars in 6th, but Uranus 0° orb with AC

- a strong aspect, like T-square, stellium or Grand Cross that involves the 1st house
**don't know if this counts but a libra AC(conj Uranus) opp Taurus DC, both squaring Venus(conj. MC).

- Mars, Uranus or an aspect/part of aspect in the 3rd or 9th house
**uranus on the AC squares Venus in the 9th, mars in the 6th squares Saturn in the 9th.

- a 3rd house to 9th house opposition involving Uranus, Moon, Mars or Sun
**nothing here

- ASC opposite Moon or Sun
**just missed this aspect lol, the orb is 0.5° too loose (moon/AC)

- Sun or moon conjunct Mars or Uranus
**nope

- Uranus or Mars squared MC
**uranus sq. MC

Well, now I don't have to wonder why I, though HAPPILY married, want to have my own appartment and "play family" on the weekend lol!! I do feel really guilty about feeling that way, like I'm not faithful to hubby and son. Now I have my own room that is off limits to the others and I get pretty ugly when they violate that rule.

posted July 21, 2004 04:53 PM              

I think we all have our own control issues and no one likes to be owned in theory:>

posted July 21, 2004 05:46 PM            

Moon Opposed Uranus...BIG ONE...

Combine that with Sun and Venus in Sag...and I am pretty defensive about my freedom.

I call it: "A Pathologic Need For Independance".

posted July 21, 2004 05:49 PM              

I'd say strong Sag, Aquarius or Gemini influences.

posted July 22, 2004 02:37 PM              

I don't know that any matured person would say that. What happens when you are so deep in love that you own the person and they own you? There is nothing wrong with ownership if the two of you are close enough because the other person can be trusted with ownership, although I must say that this might be different in practice. But it might not be. It probably won't be.