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Yang
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posted July 25, 2004 02:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Every night since wednesday last week I have been hit by a wave of depression. Sometimes it is so bad I want to cry but no tears come out.
Have any of you felt like this this week?
Is there something happening in the stars above that is causing me this?
Or am I going to be diagnosed as a depressive once again?
There is nothing In my life at the moment that can cause this!

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purplezen
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posted July 25, 2004 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope you feel better yin.

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posted July 25, 2004 03:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know how it is Yang. I suffer from depression and anxiety. I will be thinking about you

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posted July 25, 2004 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What sign is your moon?

I will check the moon placements today:
http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/webpages/moontoday.htm
Currently it's in 12° 53` Scorpio.
I believe it's a waxing moon, time for new things. The moon is it's fall here, so it's not a very creative time. You may feel like the ends of things are close by, the summer is getting closer to the end.

it's a good time to something routine, that you have been putting off, and tying up loose ends. Keep communication light.

I have had two Scorpios call me today, to check up on me, I think they wanted me to check up on them! It's a nice day but a lazy day,

Check this site to see how you feel when the Moon is in Sag, it's usually a better time, for me, and I have a water moon in the 8th house.

I have also had a hard time sleeping and had nightmares this last night,
hopefully the moon in Sag will brighten things.

Take Care,
Natasha
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posted July 25, 2004 05:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Things that are good for depression
Licorice tea
Kava Kava
Suma
Siberian Ginseng
Chocolate but not around PMS time
Sleep helps, normally I notice lack of sleep and too much psychological stress can cause a depressed feeling to take over. Make sure you are getting enough calcium,

Here is the story of how chocolate was discovered, I hope this cheers you up a bit.

History of Chocolate

Chocolate Through the Years

The story of chocolate, as far back as we know it, begins with the discovery of America. Until 1492, the Old World knew nothing at all about the delicious and stimulating flavor that was to become the favorite of millions.

The Court of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella got its first look at the principal ingredient of chocolate when Columbus returned in triumph from America and laid before the Spanish throne a treasure trove of many strange and wonderful things. Among these were a few dark brown beans that looked like almonds and seemed most unpromising. There were cocoa beans, today's source of all our chocolate and cocoa.

The King and Queen never dreamed how important cocoa beans could be, and it remained for Hernando Cortez, the great Spanish explorer, to grasp the commercial possibilities of the New World offerings.

Food of the Gods

During his conquest of Mexico, Cortez found the Aztec Indians using cocoa beans in the preparation of the royal drink of the realm, "chocolatl", meaning warm liquid. In 1519, Emperor Montezuma, who reportedly drank 50 or more portions daily, served chocolatl to his Spanish guests in great golden goblets, treating it like a food for the gods.

For all its regal importance, however, Montezuma's chocolatl was very bitter, and the Spaniards did not find it to their taste. To make the concoction more agreeable to Europeans, Cortez and his countrymen conceived of the idea of sweetening it with cane sugar.

While they took chocolatl back to Spain, the idea found favor and the drink underwent several more changes with newly discovered spices, such as cinnamon and vanilla. Ultimately, someone decided the drink would taste better if served hot.

The new drink won friends, especially among the Spanish aristocracy. Spain wisely proceeded to plant cocoa in its overseas colonies, which gave birth to a very profitable business. Remarkably enough, the Spanish succeeded in keeping the art of the cocoa industry a secret from the rest of Europe for nearly a hundred years.

Chocolate Spreads to Europe

Spanish monks, who had been consigned to process the cocoa beans, finally let the secret out. It did not take long before chocolate was acclaimed throughout Europe as a delicious, health-giving food. For a while it reigned as the drink at the fashionable Court of France. Chocolate drinking spread across the Channel to Great Britain, and in 1657 the first of many famous English Chocolate Houses appeared.

The hand methods of manufacture used by small shops gave way in time to the mass production of chocolate. The transition was hastened by the advent of a perfected steam engine which mechanized the cocoa grinding process. By 1730, chocolate had dropped in price from three dollars or more per pound to within the financial reach of all. The invention of the cocoa press in 1828 reduced the prices even further and helped to improve the the quality of the beverage by squeezing out part of the cocoa butter, the fat that occurs naturally in cocoa beans. From then on, drinking chocolate had more of the smooth consistency and the pleasing flavor it has today.

The 19th Century marked two more revolutionary developments in the history of chocolate. In 1847, an English company introduced solid "eating chocolate" through the development of fondant chocolate, a smooth and velvety variety that has almost completely replaced the old coarse grained chocolate which formerly dominated the world market. The second development occurred in 1876 in Vevey, Switzerland, when Daniel Peter devised a way of adding milk to the chocolate, creating the product we enjoy today known as milk chocolate.

Chocolate Comes To America

In the United States of America, the production of chocolate proceeded at a faster pace than anywhere else in the world. It was in the pre-revolutionary New England -- 1765, to be exact -- that the first chocolate factory was established.

Chocolate has gained so much importance since that time, that any interruption in its supply would be keenly felt.

During World War II, the U.S. government recognized chocolate's role in the nourishment and group spirit of the Allied Armed Forces, so much so that it allocated valuable shipping space for the importation of cocoa beans. Many soldiers were thankful for the pocket chocolate bars which gave them the strength to carry on until more food rations could be obtained. Today, the U.S. ARmy D-rations include three 4-ounce chocolate bars. Chocolate has even been taken into space as part of the diet of U.S. astronauts.

Growing the Cocoa Bean

Cocoa beans are the product of the cacao tree. The origin of the cacao tree is in dispute. Some say it originated in the Amazon basin of Brazil, others place it in the Orinoco Valley of Venezuela, while still others contend that it is native to Central America.

Wherever its first home, we know the cacoa tree is strictly a tropical plant thriving only in hot, rainy climates. Thus, its cultivation is confined to the lands not more than 20 degrees north of south of the equator.

The Need For Shelter

The cacao tree is very delicate and sensitive. It needs protection from the wind and requires a fair amount of shade under most conditions. This is true especially in its first two to four years of growth.

A newly planted cacao seedling is often sheltered by a different type of tree. It is normal to plant food crops for shade such as banana, plantain, coconuts or cocoyams. Rubber trees and forest trees are also used for shade. Once established, however, cacao trees can grow in full sun light, provided there are fertile soil conditions and intensive husbandry. Cacao plantations (trees under cultivation), and estates, usually in valleys or coastal plains, must have evenly distributed rainfall and rich, well drained soil.

As a general rule, cacao trees get their start in a nursery bed where seeds from high yielding trees are planted in fiber baskets or plastic bags. The seedlings grow so fast that in a few months they are ready for transplanting, container and all.

The First Fruit

With pruning and careful cultivation, the trees of most strains will begin bearing fruit in the fifth year. With extreme care, some strains can be induced to yield good crops in the third and fourth years.

Everything about the tree is just as colorful as its history. An evergreen, the cacao tree has large glossy leaves that are red when young and green when mature. Overlays of clinging moss and colorful lichens are often found on the bark of the trunk, and in some areas beautiful small orchids grow on its branches. The tree sprouts thousands of tiny waxy pink or white five-pedaled blossoms that cluster together on the trunk and older branches. But, only three to 10 percent will go on to mature into full fruit.

The fruit, which will eventually be converted into the world's chocolate and cocoa, has green or sometimes maroon colored pods on the trunk of the tree and its main branches. Shaped somewhat like an elongated melon tapered at both ends, these pods often ripen into a golden color or sometimes take on a scarlet hue with multicolored flecks.

At its maturity, the cultivated tree measures from 15 to 25 feet tall, though the tree in its wild state may reach 60 feet or more.

The potential age of a tree is open to speculation. There are individual trees known to be over 200 years of age, but no one has determined the real life span of the species. However, in 25 years the economic usefulness of a tree may be considered at an end, and it often becomes desirable to replant with younger trees.

Varieties of Cacao

While the cacao tree bears fruit (or pods) all year round, harvesting is generally seasonal. The pods come in a variety of types since cacao trees cross-pollinate freely. These types can be reduced to three classifications: Criollo, the prince of cacaos, is a soft thin-skinned pod, with a light color and a unique, pleasant aroma. Forastero, a more plentiful type, is easier to cultivate and has a thick-walled pod and a pungent aroma. Trinitario, which is believed to be a natural cross from strains of the other two types, has a great variety of characteristics but generally possesses good, aromatic flavor; and these trees are particularly suitable for cultivation.

In the Western Hemisphere, strange as it may seem, plantations composed of just one species of cocoa beans are uncommon. Even single trees with all the characteristics of a specific type are rare. Uniformity exists only where cacao plantations have been developed from the rooted branch cuttings of single mother trees.

In recent years, cacao growers have turned increasingly to hybridization as a means of improving the quality of the bean and making it more disease resistant. Scientists using state-of-the-art biotechnology techniques are also trying to improve the quality of cacao and its resistance to disease.

Handling the Harvest

The job of picking ripe cacao pods is not an easy one. The tree is so frail and its roots are so shallow that workmen cannot risk injuring it by climbing to reach the pods on the higher branches.

The planter sends his tumbadores, or pickers, into the fields with long handled, mitten-shaped steel knives that can reach the highest pods and snip them without wounding the soft bark of the tree. Machetes are used for the pods growing within reach on the lower trunk.

Where Experience Counts

It requires training and experience to know by appearance which fruit is ripe and ready to be cut. Ripe pods are found on trees at all times since the growing season in the tropics, with its evenly distributed rainfall, is continuous.

For most localities there is a main harvest lasting several months and a mid-crop harvest lasting several more months. Climatic differences cause wide variations in harvest times with frequent fluctuations from year to year even within the same location.

What Happens after Picking

Gathers follow the harvesters who have removed the ripe pods from the trees. The pods are collected in baskets and transported to the edge of a field where the pod breaking operation begins. One or two lengthwise blows from a well-wielded machete is usually enough to split open the woody shells. A good breaker can open 500 pods an hour.

A great deal of patience is required to complete harvesting. Anywhere from 20 to 50 cream-colored beans are scooped from a typical pod and the husk and inner membrane are discarded. Dried beans from an average pod weigh less than two ounces, and approximately 400 beans are required to make one pound of chocolate.

The beans are still many steps away from the familiar finished product. Exposure to air quickly changes the cream-colored beans to a lavender or purple. They do not look like the finished chocolate nor do they have the well-known fragrance of chocolate at this time.

Preparing the Crop for Shipment

The cocoa beans or seeds that are removed from the pods are put into boxes or thrown on heaps and covered. Around the beans is a layer of pulp that starts to heat up and ferment. Fermentation lasts from three to nine days and serves to remove the raw bitter taste of cocoa and to develop precursors and components that are characteristic of chocolate flavor.

Fermenting is a simple "yeasting" process in which the sugars contained in the beans are converted to acid, primarily lactic acid and acetic acid.

The process generates temperatures as high as 125 degrees Fahrenheit, which kill the germ of the bean and activate existing enzymes in the beans to form compounds that produce the chocolate flavor when the beans are roasted. The result is a fully developed bean with a rich brown color, a sign that the cocoa is now ready for drying.

Drying is Important

Like any moisture-filled fruit, the beans must be dried if they are to keep. In some countries, drying is accomplished simply by laying the beans on trays or bamboo matting and leaving them to bask in the sun. When moist climate conditions interfere with sun-drying, artificial methods are used. For example, the beans can be carried indoors and dried by hot-air pipes.

With favorable weather the drying process usually takes several days. In this interval, farmers turn the beans frequently and use the opportunity to pick them over for foreign matter and flat, broken or germinated beans. During drying, beans lose nearly all their moisture and more than half their weight.

When the beans are dried, they are prepared for shipping in 130 to 200 pound sacks. They are seldom stored except at shipping centers, where they await inspection by buyers.

Marketing for export

Buyers sample the quality of a crop by cutting open a number of beans to see that they are properly fermented. Purple centers indicate incomplete fermentation.

If the prevailing crop is found satisfactory, the grower is paid at the current market price. The market price depends not only on the abundance of the worldwide crop and the quality of farmers' crops in a number of countries, but on a number of economic conditions throughout the world. The industry has set up Cocoa Exchanges, similar to stock exchanges, in principle cities such as New York, London, Hamburg and Amsterdam.

From the Bean to Chocolate

We now come to the remarkable art of chocolate making, a process that is comparable with the skill and finesse of the world's greatest chefs. The manufacturing process requires much time and painstaking care. Just to make an individual-size chocolate bar, for instance, takes from two to four days or more.

Manufacturing methods will differ in detail from plant to plant, but there is a general processing pattern which prevails everywhere. It is this pattern that makes the chocolate industry distinctive from every other industry.

For example, all manufacturers carefully catalogue each shipment according to its particular type and origin. This is very important, because it enables them later to maintain exact control over the flavor blending of beans for roasting.

Prior to Roasting

While awaiting the blending process, the beans are carefully stored. The storage area must be isolated from the rest of the building so the sensitive cocoa does not come into contact with strong odors which it may absorb as an off-flavor. Every step of the way so far reflects the close regulation of conditions which is needed to ensure the production of uniformly high quality chocolate.

The first step to actual manufacturing is cleaning. This is done by passing the cocoa beans through a cleaning machine that removes dried cacao pulp, pieces of pod and other extraneous material that had not been removed earlier.

When thoroughly cleaned, the beans are carefully weighed and blended according to a company's particular specifications. These formulas are based on experience and desirability. In the science of chocolate making, much depends upon the ability to achieve the right formula for the desired end product through the proper selection of beans available.

To bring out the characteristic chocolate aroma, the beans are roasted in large rotary cylinders. Depending upon the variety of the beans and the desired end result, the roasting lasts from 30 minutes to two hours at temperatures of 250 degrees Fahrenheit and higher. As the beans turn over and over, their moisture content drops, their color changes to a rich brown, and the characteristic aroma of chocolate becomes evident.

What Follows Roasting

Proper roasting is one of the keys to good flavor, but there are still several more steps to follow. After roasting, the beans are quickly cooled and their thin shells, made brittle by roasting, are removed. In most factories, this is done by a "cracker and fanner," a giant winnowing machine that passes the beans between serrated cones so they are cracked rather than crushed. In the process, a series of mechanical sieves separate the broken pieces into large and small grains while fans blow away the thin, light shell from the meat or "nibs."

The nibs, which contain about 53 percent cocoa butter, are next conveyed to mills, where they are crushed between large grinding stones or heavy steel discs. The process generates enough frictional heat to liquefy the cocoa butter and form what is commercially know as chocolate liquor. The term liquor does not refer to alcohol, it simply means liquid. When the liquid is poured into molds and allowed to solidify, the resulting cakes are unsweetened or bitter chocolate.

Up to this point, the manufacturing of cocoa and chocolate is identical. The process now diverges, but there is an important interconnection to be noted. The by-product of cocoa shortly becomes an essential component of chocolate. That component is the unique vegetable fat, cocoa butter, which forms about 25 percent of the weight of most chocolate bars.

How to Make Cocoa Powder

The chocolate liquor, destined to become a cup of cocoa, is pumped into giant hydraulic presses weighing up to 25 tons, where pressure is applied to remove the desired cocoa butter. The fat drains away through metallic screens as a yellow liquid. It is then collected for use in chocolate manufacturing.

Cocoa butter has such importance for the chocolate industry that it deserves more than a passing mention. It is unique among vegetable fats because it is a solid at normal room temperature and melts at 89 to 93 degrees Fahrenheit, which is just below body temperature. Its success in resisting oxidation and rancidity makes it very practical. Under normal storage conditions, cocoa butter can be kept for years without spoiling.

The pressed cake that is left after the removal of cocoa butter can be cooled, pulverized and sifted into cocoa powder. Cocoa that is packaged for sale to grocery stores or put into bulk for use as a flavor by dairies, bakeries, and confectionery manufacturers, may have 10 percent or more cocoa butter content. "Breakfast cocoa," a less common type, must contain at least 22 percent cocoa butter.

In the so-called "Dutch" process, the manufacturer treats the cocoa with an alkali to develop a slightly different flavor and give the cocoa a darker appearance characteristic of the Dutch type. The alkali acts as a processing agent rather than as a flavor ingredient.

How to Make Eating Chocolate

While cocoa is made by removing some of the cocoa butter, eating chocolate is made by adding it. This holds true of all eating chocolate, whether it is dark, bittersweet, or milk chocolate. Besides enhancing the flavor, the added cocoa butter serves to make the chocolate more fluid.

One example of eating chocolate is sweet chocolate, a combination of unsweetened chocolate, sugar, cocoa butter and perhaps a little vanilla. Making it entails melting and combining the ingredients in a large mixing machine until the mass has the consistency of dough.

Milk chocolate, the most common form of eating chocolate, goes through essentially the same mixing process-except that it involves using less unsweetened chocolate and adding milk.

Whatever ingredients are used, the mixture then travels through a series of heavy rollers set one atop the other. Under the grinding that takes place here, the mixture is refined to a smooth paste ready for "conching."

What is Conching?

Conching is a flavor development process which puts the chocolate through a "kneading" action and takes its name from the shell-like shape of the containers originally employed. The "conches," as the machines are called, are equipped with heavy rollers that plow back and forth through the chocolate mass anywhere from a few hours to several days. Under regulated speeds, these rollers can produce different degrees of agitation and aeration in developing and modifying the chocolate flavors.

In some manufacturing setups, there is an emulsifying operation that either takes the place of conching or else supplements it. This operation is carried out by a machine that works like an eggbeater to break up sugar crystals and other particles in the chocolate mixture to give it a fine, velvety smoothness.

After the emulsifying or conching machines, the mixture goes through a tempering interval-heating, cooling and reheating-and then at last into molds to be formed into the shape of the complete product. The molds take a variety of shapes and sizes, from the popular individual-size bars available to consumers to a ten-pound block used by confectionery manufacturers.

Ready for Shipment

When the molded chocolate reaches the cooling chamber, cooling proceeds at a fixed rate that keeps hard-earned flavor intact. The bars are then removed from the molds and passed along to wrapping machines to be packed for shipment to distributors, confectioners and others throughout the country.

For convenience, chocolate is frequently shipped in a liquid state when intended for use by other food manufacturers. Whether solid or liquid, it provides candy, cookie, and ice cream manufacturers with the most popular flavor for their products. Additionally, a portion of the United State's total chocolate output goes into coatings, powders and flavorings that add zest to our foods in a thousand different ways.


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Yang -

I've been feeling it too, and I started a couple of threads leaning towards that. I'm finding it helpful to meditate upon the Earth's magnetic fields shifting. This would be analogous to say, having a mother who stayed home with you until you were seven, and then she gets a job and starts working away from home. You're used to her comfort, yet, something has changed.

Does that makes sense?

There are a LOT of stories lately about migrating birds, even homing pigeons trained to deliver messages, becoming completely disoriented. They're getting lost or disappearing all together.

Some people claim it's the normal cyclical "flipping of the magnetic poles" in the Earth, which happens every many many thousands of years. But some say the magnetic forces may not "flip" in a clean way, that there are many movements here and there sometimes.

I've been feeling like I felt a couple of weeks before 9.11 hit. I described it in another thread, as if the birds stopped singing. Something's weird. And the world is moving faster and faster and people are too busy to know or even care what's happening to them. Then one day they wake up and find they hate their lives.

So it's good that you notice something is not right.

Again, try to meditate on the Earth, the ground under you, really feel it and pray for the strength to understand it and adapt to it.

I wanted to add to a couple of things Natasha said -

Kava Kava should be taken very very sparingly as it has been found to do liver damage. It's great, just don't overdo it.

And as for chocolate, I'm not sure why she said not to eat it around PMS time (maybe she can say), but if there's any time to eat chocolate is IS around PMS time. That's because the symptoms of PMS is partially caused by a DECREASE in a mood stabalizing chemical in our bodies. And guess where that chemical can be found naturally? CHOCOLATE.

It's another reason why on Valentines' Day, it is a custom to give women chocolate, because it INCREASES that "romantic" feeling in women.

I eat a little piece of chocolate every day.

The history of chocolate was very very fun to read!!! So much of that I did not know. Also, I did NOT know what chocolate really tasted like until I went to Switzerland. It's worth going there just to eat fresh chocolate from one of their factory shops. It's NOTHING like Hershey's and Nestle's we've become accustomed to here.

.gloria

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posted July 25, 2004 06:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. I've been pretty depressed the last couple of days, but that's me. I take EFAs, and herbs for my thyroid and heart (including chayenne pepper which hasn't be mentioned, I don't think - good for mood and metabolism) for my depression, in addition to a regular vitamin/herb regime. Lately (the past month) I've been having serious problems with keeping my blood iron up, which affects me greatly. I was born anemic and this happens from time to time, for no apparent reason.

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posted July 25, 2004 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sthenri.
Nice piece on the cocoa bean
I really enjoyed it.

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Gemini -

Take a really good Vitamin B-Complex as a supplement. Make sure it includes all the B's.

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Astro - I already do.

Here's my regimen:

once daily, in morning except last four, which I take in the evening:

200 mg CoQ10
81 mg aspirin
super b-complex
herbal detox blend
iron, if needed
l-carnitine, if needed
multivitamin with minerals
1000-1500 mg calcium with Vit D
gluscosamine w/ chondroitin
alpha liopic acid

twice daily with meals:

thyroid support herbal/vitamin blend
chayenne
1000 mg vitamin C
400 mg vitamin E
EFA complex
garlic/parsley blend
milk thistle
gingko

other:

liquid Chlorophyll (twice of three times a day between meals)
trace minerals (I add it to my daily jug of drinking water)
ginseng tea
green or white tea

I used to use wild yam extract to help with my PMS and ovarian cysts, but has gotten out the habit of using it. I probably should go back to that.

Here's my biggest dietary vice: diet Coke - I'm hooked on it. I shouldn't drink it at all. I can get away from it for a couple of weeks, but when my period comes around, and those cramps kick in, hey...

I'm feeling better - I think largely my depression is due to my anemia and my period. I feel more exhausted than depressed, really. I have been strangely energetic in the evenings though, cleaning house and stuff. Weird. I suspect once my period is over I'll feel better, cos I can get back to exercising (I can't exercise if I'm anemic during my periods - it drains my body too much ).

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posted July 25, 2004 11:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini Nymph, what is your mercury sign?

I take omegas, and some herbs, but I need to get a better multivitamin, and I stay away from coffee. it causes those breast cysts. Since I am endowed with moon in cancer breasts I follow the breast cancer diet, low in fat, and very little caffeine.

I notice the difference right away, with coffee every day my breasts get cysts during PMS.

But in any case I am going to post a question about Geminis.

Natasha
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Yang-

I suffered from depression for many years. It was awful and no medication would work for me so I suffered in silence.

Last year I saw a new doctor that ran new blood work on me and he sent me to a specialist that diagnosed me with PCOS and Insulin Resistance. My body is unable to use it's own insulin and it was causing more damage than just depression. I now take insulin in the pill form and I haven't had a single day of the depression since. I have lost 74lbs. and I finally FEEL like a normal person.

I do not believe that the medical community knows everything but this time they did right by me. Granted it took over 10 years but at least it happened.

I'm not sure why I shared that with you I just hope that you are able to come out of it and find your own way out of that hell.

I also found it helpful to read the book The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle.

Love and Light

-Irish

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yang, if u r a sag then its ok. many sasg are feeling so. i'm undr diagnosis for critical depression. the fact that we sags presently have little in uot life is casuing us depression rahter than anything else. my doc says i'm used to doing lots of thing and now since 3 years that i don't have anything i'm feelign depressed. it is adviced to eat good choclates. they help during depression. also my advice...meet a psychiatrist.
btw, can u show me ur natal chart?

take care.

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Sending you tons of love

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Maybe you can find some useful info http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Depression/dep_nutrition1.htm#Behavioral


Lots of light!!

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Natasha, my merc's in Gem, of course, conjucnt to my Sun. Can't you tell from all my obsessively long posts? LOL.

I don't drink coffee at all. It upsets my stomach and exhausts my nervous system too much. Plus I hate it! I can't drink hot black teas either, and I have to be careful with green and white teas too, because my stomach is so sensitive. Iced teas and herbal teas I could drink all day though.

Irish, that is interesting. I hadn't heard of that before. Thanks for sharing that. Depression is such a frustrating thing - I had been so depressed for years it caused heart, thyroid and digestive organ problems. Now if I don't take care of my physical probelms caused by depression, it'll make me feel bad and I go back into depression I can't afford to go to MDs for these problems, so I went to an herbalist and she helped out immensely. I still need to lose weight, but at least my metabolism is back to normal so when i do exercise the pounds drop off. The problem is really just getting my lazy butt out and exercise! LOL.

Recovery from drepession takes a long time so we can go through a yo-yo period where we feel better and then, wham, we're down again. Yang, if you've had depreesion in the past, is there any reason that you've been exposed to a trigger (like certain kinds of stress, or something that dug up an old traumatic memory) that caused you to have a depressive episode? Understand that when you've been through a bad period of depression, your body and mind gets into the "habit" of feeling depressed, and even after you've recovered, you are still vulnerable to your body going back into that old habit if exposed to the right triggers. Hang in there. In the meantime, try to stay active or watch a movie that makes you laugh a lot (for me it's Monty Python's The Holy Grail).

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posted July 26, 2004 02:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW thank you all for responding. I feel now happy in the sense that I am not the only one depressed.

Sthenri-My moon sign is Sag
AJ-I have heard about the earth's magnetic poles shifting.I dont know if it is that.
Irish Eyes-

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my body is unable to produce it's own insulin

Does that mean you are diabetic.
I have type 1 diabetes and diagnosed when I was 11 and the following year afterwards I was treated for depression.
Archer- I am Libra and here is my birth data if you care to look at my chart:
12 Oct 1983
Durban, South Africa
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