posted July 30, 2004 06:10 PM              

Our info:
Me - June 4, 1985
3:00 PM
97w20, 37n42

Him - April 23, 1985
9:00 AM
97w20, 37n42

posted August 02, 2004 08:28 PM              

I'm surounded by tarus people, i have gemini sun mind you and venus in tarus, i found out that one of my managers has venus in gemini and his curent girlfreind is a gemini.

as well other managers there also have there sun in tarus.

Its funny because i talk with the one manager who has tarus in gemini and where good buds.

as for the other tarus managers its rally amazing how they understand my moods.

I rember one time i came in all grouchy and quiet and the one of the tarus mangers ask me are you grumpy???

another time i came in all tired and one of them said to me your not yourself today are you??

its weird because not even my mom can tell my moods, and these tarus people got them,

posted August 02, 2004 09:44 PM              

If that boundary is dissolved, by Neptune it never gets off the ground, and becomes elusive. The synastry shows that you have insights into his mind, but you don't agree with his values. Being a Gemini you are devoted to what you believe in, and that won't change. Respect his differences, but remember everyone has their weakness.

We can have tolerance for an aspect of a person, but if we find it too annoying and the other person can't work on it, then it's better not to start a relationship. Does he agree? If he makes you angry, and I know you may have trouble with your anger, be sure and express it clearly.

posted August 03, 2004 12:13 AM            

I am engaged to a Taurus man. He has a past...boy does he have a past and I would say that at one point he was a "manwhore" LOL..I think it is a common mistake to think that all Bulls (although I think the women, like Sag women, are not like their male counter parts) are so vanilla that they stick to one person and that is it.

I have found that Taurus men want to be loved so much, that they can fall into the "love the one your with". no..wait, that is not right..more like "have fun with the one your with until the right one comes along".

They do love security, they do love having a warm body next to them....we don't understand that (we as in us Saggies and Gemini's) because we can be alone and happy- but having a person we LOVE there with us is even better.

Yet we ask ourselves....'Who is this person that needs to HAVE someone there, when they could be alone and happy - to do as they please?" It is almost alien to us..or at least me because I would rather be single and independant than be a part of a couple if I am not 100% into that person.

But....and it is a big BUT..when they find that someone, you cannot hold the Taurus man back. They just KNOW and they will stop at nothing to let you know that YOU are the one. LOL...but still..for some of us, that past is hard, my Aries moon hates it - my Sag Sun is curious when the two conflict I lash out and put him back in his place. Like he said to me (he is in the Army - an MP in charge of patrol MP's so he has to be a harda$$) "No one puts me in my place like you do. No one has ever been able to stand right up to me and give me crap - you do it and you aren't afraid". LOL..

It is like Natasha said, you HAVE to be direct with them and let them know you are upset or not going to tolerate something.

The other day Mr. Taurus and I were in the bookstore reading about Astro Soul signs. I pointed out the Taurus male part where it stated "If they do not see it, they will not acknowledge any problem unless it threatens their stability or security. If there is something under the surface, bring it out because the Taurus male will bypass it completely as it is not his way to see beneath the surface" He laughed so hard and said "OMG that is so true!!" He also admitted that he can be patronizing when he doesn't want to admit there are things bothering him.

posted August 03, 2004 10:05 AM              

Taurean men and women actually likes equality, simplicity in all things, honesty. They have to learn over time, that everyone plays mind games to feel secure, they are just games, just words, and the Taurean lesson is to not overreact.

To let the love grow, or change, is hard for a Taurus, same for Scorpios, Aquas and Leos. They are all fixed signs and growing and changing within the relationship takes some time to get the hang of. I think it's easier for a Gemini if the Taurus has Mercury or Venus in Gemini.

Taureans with Gemini influences are less touchy with their pride.

The needing the warm body is true to the extent that a Taurus is passionate and needs to channel that passion into one person. I have noticed Geminis can have relationships with many different people, at the same time. Geminis are usually good at lots of things, whereas a Taurus values simplicity, in that he or she is what he or she does. So it makes sense to have a person there who understands and gets the big picture.

Taureans are always to some extent independently minded, like Scorpios, and will break off a relationship if they feel they are being pushed around on a serious subject. No matter how much love there is.
That's hard to understand even for the Taurus.

The fixed signs are very similar in that when you push one too far, forgiveness is hard.

I try to remember not to react to a word, if it's a mind game then I let it pass for now. I tell myself I have my entire life to get angry, I will work on what's on my plate right now. Sometimes getting a Taurus or Scorpio angry is a good thing, you will really get the attention you want, but look at the motivations, you may end up with a hurt friend who never lets go or forgets. Unless you are willing to let the Taurus bask in self pity for a while, don't push it.

With a 12th house moon passion is a big deal, a man with a 12th house moon is more likely to bond to a woman with a lot of water in her chart, such as a Cancer Sun/Venus, because he needs to feel like a couple. That's a pretty strong indication of someone who wants a partner. That won't change, plus there is a tendency towards pride in the partner, if the partner is criticized, it's a personal attack.

12th house moons are very much influenced by their partner and have to watch what they eat and drink too. Their health can suffer from bad influences, or friends. Self pity can be a challenge, and discipline is a must. Partners can switch from child-like to parental figures. Cancer suns are very good at giving empathy, and receiving passion.

A12th house moon man will have unfinished business with his mother for a while.

posted August 04, 2004 10:15 AM              

Where you said, "... Neptune makes things dissolve, that includes boundaries, so when we start a romantic relationship it starts with a boundary around the couple. At the start is the primary couple.
If that boundary is dissolved, by Neptune it never gets off the ground, and becomes elusive..."

I'm trying to grasp what you meant by that.

Thanks!

posted August 04, 2004 11:01 AM              

For example, if person A has venus in person B's 12th house, then does that indicate that person B does not appreciate or relate to the venusian qualities of person A?

I am having a hard time understanding this.

posted August 04, 2004 11:54 AM              

Well, Neptune dissolves, it clouds the issue, making it hard to see what's going on. So if there is a boundary, you will have a hard time finding where it starts and where it begins. We are used to constantly finding boundaries in relationships that are doing well, and we see that as an internal problem. BUT it's actually a problem of perception.

Each person sees themselves being swamped by the other's identity. We do not always realize in functional relationship boundaries are simple and and easy. Venus and Mars are an example of a functioning couple. Why, because each has his or her own identity, regardless of the relationship. BUT let's say Mars and Pluto get together, it's harder to find out how they relate because they are so similar.

Neptune will cause a couple to be so similar in tastes that it's hard to tell if they are really compatible, or not. They want to please each other so much, the relationship becomes nebulous. Once that happens we are reminded more of a family, mother's/daughters, sons/fathers, do not have a clear identity when they are together. Apart, yes but only with other people.

So, Neptunian relationships are built on some deep need, or external force binding it together, otherwise, the identity confusion becomes smothering and there is a deep need to feel better about oneself. Because there is no individuality.

Make sense yet?

You will have to apply this in Synastry with the entire chart. Neptune dissolves ambition, and so in a sense it's very nice in love.

If you are dealing with one chart with a person who has high ambitions in life, it will be hard to recognize the Neptunian aspects in a positive way with another person, because the ambition one person has will be dampened by the other, by excessive need, or desire. Maybe too much if they spend too much time together?

If one chart is very fiery this could be a challenge.

The overall chart is important, and Neptunian aspects are touted as the soul mate equation but remember that normally examples are given of highly water and air driven charts. I do not see fire/earth charts normally driven towards Neptunian relationships that are based on Love, mainly they are based on family, or there could be a parental figure.

Love to some is a boundary that is very loose, but there is always some boundary, a stopping point, a love cop, that says stop or else we will never see each other again because here is where my needs meet your needs. Where your observations are about me and myself and vice versa. Some relationships never do that, they are all one sided and relate to one person, such as a psychiatrist and the patient, or doctor and nurse.

Clearly there is no boundary that says, this relationship is about both our needs. That rubber band that bounces you back into the relationship maybe so slippery that you fall into a different kind of relationship than love and romance. If one person is needier, more impulsive than the other, the other way feel abandoned, unless of course the relationship becomes based on an external force such as work, or family, or children.

Cancerian718, I do not know how romantic you are, where is your Venus in sign and house? It sounds like person A and B would both support each other in Venusian pursuits, but there could be competition, and there is no indication of friction, just a desire to support the other.

posted August 04, 2004 12:18 PM              

Neptune is very similar to Jupiter, regarding ideals, dreams and big concepts. The danger is losing onself in the dogma of the dream. Compassion for that reason is the watchword of Neptune, compassion for others than the self, compassion for the collective, externalizing emotions without drugs or alcohol to numb the fear of losing the soul, the love of others.
Pisces and Sag are very similar.

"The solar system used to be much smaller. According to a new theory, Neptune long ago migrated away from the Sun and forced a vast field of giant boulders out with it. "

The reality is that the EGO and the WE used to be much closer, it's up to us in this lifetime to bridge the gap with compassion, understand and practical realization. The farther away your Neptune is from your Sun, the more people and lessons you will run across to help you in your journey. Relationships that work aspect your Neptune/Sun equation.

Fire and earth charts are less likely to be in a particular Neptunian relationships for a long period of time. I find that air and water heavy charts are more concerned with Neptune aspects. If you feel a deep powerful need to connect to someone on an emotional level daily, then I would say Neptune aspects are powerful for you.

"Remember that all observation, is self observation"

In that everyone speaks for his/her own experience including myself, but you speak from your own unconcious especially if you have much water in your chart. Listen to your OWN observations as well, because you are telling yourself what you need and want, do not discount this information.

Water heavy charts have a lot of self observation going on, once they tune into that and start to express it, they find first that they are observing about other people-possible romances-and then find that these observations are about the self. In the end romances are just a means to the end, to finding out more about the self, and working on the prize, finding out what is needed to be happy.

If you have a water chart, be sure to write down your dreams every day. There is powerful information of practical use.

Fire and earth heavy charts do not work this way many times, observing others leads to happiness without any kind of self awareness, since they are already so concious of self.

More about Neptune, so misunderstood!

NEPTUNE The Rapture...!

NEPTUNE ENERGY: Dissolves Boundaries, Removes Filters, Obscures, Disorients, Dissipates, Sensitizes, Sublimates, Refines, Rarefies, Romanticizes, Diffuses, Baffles, Befuddles, Confuses, Deceives, Disintegrates, Evades, Mystifies, Transcends, Undermines, Beguiles, Bemuses, Bewilders, Muddles, Enthralls, Entrances, Glamorizes, Delights, Haunts, Fascinates, Whispers, Murmers, Drifts, Blurs, Fades, Recedes, Withdraws, Weakens, Dilutes, Permeates, Pervades, Erodes, Floods, Leaks, Drowns, Merges, Communes
NEPTUNIAN STYLE: Nebulous, Beauty-Smitten, Mysterious, Disordered, Indirect, Elusive, Escapist, Lost, Frail, Enigmatic, Exceedingly Graceful, Unreal, Gossamer-like, Other-Worldly, Evanescent, Gullible, Addled, Hyper-Sensitive, Vulnerable, Fragile, Fine, Delicate, Incredibly Imaginative, Impractical, Feeble, Impressionistic, Fuzzy, Misty, Hazy, Magical, Mediumistic, Subliminal, Somatic, Oceanic, Out-of-it, Passive, Diffident, Self-effacing, Psychic, Fey, Quixotic, Highly Receptive, Spacey, Vague, Shapeless, Shifty, Liquid, Fluid, Dreamy, Diffident, Docile, Amenable, Humble, Beatific, Angelic, Inchoate, Slippery, Roundabout, Misunderstood, Self-Sabotaging, Altruistic, Aquatic, Nautical, Fishy, Indefinite, Ambiguous, Ambivalent, Musical, Poetic, Metaphorical, Feathery, Exquisite, Elfin, Chameleon, Psychedelic, Narcotic, Subversive, Behind-the-Scenes, Faraway, Cryptic, Can’t get a fix on, Stream-of-Consciousness, Ethereal

NEPTUNE CONCEPTS: Compassion, Oneness, Unity, Sympathetic Vibration, Resonance, Kindness, Unconditional Love, Make-believe, Fantasy, Sanctuary, Utopia, Holism, Addiction, Sacrifice, Pathos, Illusion, Delusion, Ecstasy, Bliss, Enchantment, Serenity, Mysticism, Idealism, Osmosis, Seclusion, Heaven, Nirvana, Devotion, Worship, Reverence, That Soul-Mate Feeling

SOME NEPTUNIAN THINGS: Music (esp. violins), Mythology, Altered States, Chemistry, Trances, Spirits (of both the ghostly & the alcoholic variety), Drugs, Pharmaceuticals, Allergies, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity Syndrome, Victims & Martyrs, The Siren Song, Divine Discontent, Meditation, Enlightenment, Soma, Ambrosia, Chimeras, Veils, Screens, Dreams, The Supernatural, Telepathy, Clairvoyance, Mermaids, Leprechauns, Out-of-Body Experiences, Holographs, Yearning, Fog, Mirage, Apparitions, Advertising, Oil & Gas, Misinformation, Dyslexia, Rose-Colored Glasses, Con Artists, Communism, Socialism, Counterfeiting, Propoganda, Fraud, Rumour, Slander, Filmmaking & Photography, EINSTEIN - Relativity & Quantum Physics, Webs, Fishnets, Networks

WHEN NEPTUNE SNEAKS UP ON YOU: Get thee to the sea... Dream...Surrender...
Get swept away...Serve a higher calling...Put yourself in others’ shoes...Go with the flow... Your doctor may not know this, but normal dosages of prescriptions are way too strong for you...Follow the path of least resistance...Choose your mind-altering substances very carefully - you’re so easily hooked...And better stay away from all kinds of cults, while you’re at it. In fact, find yourself a nice Solar or Saturn type who can help guide you back to earth. But then again, if anyone has no use for the ways of this world, it’s you...Try not to wander about at night all by yourself - you’re just the kind the Fairies like to abduct.

BODY PARTS: Neurochemicals / Feet

From this page http://www.crystalinks.com/neptune.html
Has photos of Neptune

n Roman mythology Neptune (Greek: Poseidon) was the god of the Sea.

Poseidon was the god of the sea, earthquakes and horses. Although he was officially one of the supreme gods of Mount Olympus, he spent most of his time in his watery domain. Poseidon was brother to Zeus and Hades. These three gods divided creation between them. Zeus became ruler of the sky, Hades got dominion of the Underworld and Poseidon was given all water, both fresh and salt.

Although there were various rivers personified as gods, these would have been technically under Poseidon's sway. Similarly, Nereus, the Old Man of the Sea, wasn't really considered on a par with Poseidon, who was known to drive his chariot through the waves in unquestioned dominance. Poseidon had married Nereus's daughter, the sea-nymph Amphitrite.

The Romans' name for Poseidon was Neptune.

In dividing heaven, the watery realm and the subterranean land of the dead, the Olympians agreed that the earth itself would be ruled jointly, with Zeus as king. This led to a number of territorial disputes among the gods. Poseidon vied with Athena to be patron deity of Athens. The god demonstrated his power and benevolence by striking the Acropolis with his three-pronged spear, which caused a spring of salt water to emerge. Athena, however, planted an olive tree, which was seen as a more useful favor. Her paramount importance to the Athenians is seen in her magnificent temple, the Parthenon, which still crowns the Acropolis. The people of Athens were careful, all the same, to honor Poseidon as well.

Poseidon was father of the hero Theseus, although the mortal Aegeus also claimed this distinction. Theseus was happy to have two fathers, enjoying the lineage of each when it suited him. Thus he became king of Athens by virtue of being Aegeus's son, but availed himself of Poseidon's parentage in facing a challenge handed him by King Minos of Crete. This monarch threw his signet ring into the depths of the sea and dared Theseus to retrieve it. The hero dove beneath the waves and not only found the ring but was given a crown by Poseidon's wife, Amphitrite.

Poseidon was not so well-disposed toward another famous hero. Because Odysseus killed the Cyclops Polyphemus, who was Poseidon's son, the god not only delayed the hero's homeward return from the Trojan War but caused him to face enormous perils.

Poseidon similarly cursed the wife of King Minos. Minos had proved his divine right to rule Crete by calling on Poseidon to send a bull from the sea, which the king promised to sacrifice. Poseidon sent the bull, but Minos liked it too much to sacrifice it. So Poseidon asked Aphrodite, the goddess of love, to make Minos's queen, Pasiphae, fall in love with the bull. The result was the monstrous Minotaur, half-man, half-bull.

As god of horses, Poseidon often adopted the shape of a steed. It is not certain that he was in this form when he wooed Medusa. But when Perseus later killed the Gorgon, the winged horse Pegasus sprang from her severed neck.

Poseidon sometimes granted the shape-shifting power to others. And he ceded to the request of the maiden Caenis that she be transformed into the invulnerable, male warrior Caeneus.

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METAPHYSICS

ASTROLOGY

Neptune is the ruler of Pisces.

Neptune: Ideals & Imagination

Neptune dissolves boundaries and barriers, enabling us to connect with the universe. It's about inspiration, imagination, compassion, ideals and communion. But, the other side of Neptune is about confusion, illusion and diffusion.

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In the mythology, it was dangerous to IGNORE Poseidon, but it was recognized that he was not of as much practical use as Athena. The danger is to ignore the unconcious since it ultimately can change shape and become a reality. For this reason Neptune is given a bad rap, as it seems very negative, but it's a part of your self that needs to be tuned into on a daily basis in order to stay healthy. The key is to be aware of it, and focus on the positive aspects of Neptune.

For all of us, Neptune is a positive powerful force if we are grateful for our dreams and ideals, because that is where our motivation springs from. By honoring that in our lives, we are telling ourselves, affirming ourselves, instantly communicating over and over again that our self is very important in the scheme of things, we are powerful and not dependent on others.

When Neptune is negative, it's simply because a person is focusing on the negative. You can see this in many ways with those who are dependent on others and vice versa and think it's a bad thing. Example a nurse who is burnt out in her profession. Being a nurse is not negative, it's positive if a person is regenerated. It's easy to dismiss Neptunian professions but in fact they are very life affirming for the giver.

If you want to touch on Neptune, write your dreams down and post them here, then we are getting somewhere!

posted August 04, 2004 12:36 PM              

"Neptune likes glamour, where Neptune touches a planet in our chart we want what that planet expresses to be expressed in the most glamorous way possible."

Natasha

posted August 04, 2004 01:15 PM              

Neptune is about your unconcious self, transformation, and perception.

With Venus in the 4th, Neptune will play a part in all your romantic relationships, so I would start writing down your dreams in order to understand your relationships better.

Venus in Taurus has a strong aptitude towards music as a career, but you may not be attracted to musicians, or even appreciate beauty. Beauty and music tend to be practical for you. You may be able to sing and paint, but you are not a figurehead, the talent is real. For that reason your romantic relationships will be with those who are practical and see practical concerns.

Your best bet is to listen and let your romantic partnerships encourage you and support you in your Venusian pursuits. He will support you to bridge your inner self with real practical concerns in the world, regarding music and art.

When you are with him, does he recognize you as someone who is glamorous? Do you spend time with others, talking about others, and watching people? Are you learning how to walk, talk, act differently in anyway? You will have to watch him to see what kind of affect you are having on his life, it may be dramatic at some point.

Natasha
Taurus

posted August 04, 2004 01:40 PM              

And yes, I think I do have an impact on him. I do expose him to the softer/spiritual side of things. Teach him to loosen up a little and live it up. I dont know if he recognizes me as someone glamourous, but he certainly finds me very proper lady-like (i guess thats kinda like glamourous) and a homely spiritual girl. But I think he also perceives me as being shy (which is true) and having low self-confidence.

MY chart:

Aquarius rising
Venus (taurus) 4th house
Mercury (Gemini) 5th house
Sun (Cancer) 6th house
Jupiter + Saturn (Leo) 7th house
Moon + Mars (conjunct) + Pluto (Virgo) 8th house
Uranus (Libra) 9th house
Neptune (scorpio) 10th house

So, yes there is an opposition b/w Venus and Neptune making me dreamy and romantic in love.

HIS Chart:

Gemini rising w/ Jupiter + Mars in 1st
Mercury + Venus + Saturn(Leo) in 3rd
Sun + Pluto (Virgo) 4th
Uranus (Libra) 5th
Neptune (scorpio) 6th
Moon (pisces) 10th

Among other aspects, the strongest one between our charts are:

Mutual conjunction of Sun-Mars.

Conjunction and Square of Sun-Moon.

Conjunction of Venus-Jupiter (my venus his Jupe).

Conjunction of Mercury(mine)to his ASC

Conjunction of Venus (his) to my DSC

Thank you so much! Sorry for the long post!

posted August 04, 2004 03:50 PM              

With your moon in the 8th you want to feel things more and talk less. I can see a strong attraction with the Mars/Ascendant, and your Moon and his Ascendant.

I see that he can be of huge practical help in your life, you will just need to learn how to channel it. I would put off getting involved physically/romantically because he takes the physical very personally and it may throw him for a loop later. He needs more time to process the physical, so go slow that way even if you get other signals.

Emotionally you will be close, but do not let that alter your course in life, or change your goals. He wants you to stay on track. I think in the end you may find his approach less than emotionally fulfilling, but you two will always be close.

Be aware that you have an enormous impact on hs day to day life, make sure he is still working out, paying attention to his career and hasn't changed that drastically. He needs to balance his life with his relationships so you are equals.

Natasha
Taurus

posted August 04, 2004 04:33 PM              

You are right, there is a lot of attraction between us and I do want to feel more and talk less. He, on the other hand, talks more and feels less. He is interested in me...and he shows that by talking and talking to me, but the talks are not romantic or emotional in nature. He is naive at relationships and doesn't know how to make it deeper. And I get irritated with him, cuz he won't express them. I am very attracted to him and admire him but

What did you mean by that I should put off "getting involved physically/romantically because he takes the physical very personally and it may throw him for a loop later" ?

posted August 04, 2004 08:03 PM              

That won't change, and you may be tempted. If you are tempted and you show that you are not happy emotionally, he will get worried since he knows he talks more and feels less in relationships. Better for you to feel good about him on every other level first, so he feels your respect and admiration.

That's my recommendation for a long term relationship. With your 8th house moon, you may be tempted to move the pace up a notch but do not rush anything, let him play out exactly what's on his mind, since he wants to express himself verbally for a while.

He is very verbal, that's where he feels comfortable, about himself. He does not feel comfortable in the emotional/physical arena if it's an intense encounter.