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astro junkie
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posted October 07, 2004 03:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure if this has been looked at, but remember the "Heaven's Gate" mass suicide?

I came across this study of the "leader's" Chart, remember, he castrated himself? Also takes a look at the Transits at "the end" :::

"... Marshall Applewhite’s Birth Chart

Marshall Herff Applewhite was born May 17, 1931 at 3:20 am in Spur, TX. He was born with the Sun and Moon conjunct in Taurus and with Aries rising. Aries dominates his chart with the Ascendant, Part of Fortune, lunar node, Uranus and Venus all in Aries. Aries is the sign of military leadership, strong will, dominance of others (especially with Venus in Aries too) and a need to be Numbero Uno in any group or organization. This quality Marshall had in spades. In addition, his Jupiter was conjunct Pluto in Cancer and square his natal Uranus in Aries. This is a marriage of his beliefs in religion, philosophy, death, Armageddon and radical futuristic ideas fused into a structure of autonomy and independence with survival needs..."

continued - including Wheels ... http://accessnewage.com/articles/astro/BENHEAVG.HTM

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KarenSD
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posted October 07, 2004 03:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That whole ordeal happened not far from where I live. Very tragic...

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 07, 2004 08:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would have to disagrre with her assessment that Applewhite was such a military commando type due this his Arian influences. Yes he exhibited paramilitary-like leanings with his group, but the Arain combativeness wasn't there - it was just about controlling his followers' behavior and minds, which is more Taurean. Aries wants to fight, fight and fight and is too impulsive for that degree of regimented control over others. Aries is good at starting things, but Taurus has the preserverence to extert that kind of control. I would attribute Applewhite's control over his followers to his Taurean aspects, and his very impulsive decision to commit mass suicide on his Arian 1st house that includes Uranus.

I also am sceptical because I know people who knew Applewhite before he went off the deep end (I don't recall him being associated with a church in Houston - he was however associated with my alma mater, which is why press crews descended upon the campus when this news broke and I remember all of this nonsense quite well). It seems he wasn't ever very normal, a bit on the melodramatic side and stuck out among his musician peers. But he wasn't known to be belligerent, forceful or overbearing. Undeniably strange yes, and perhaps full of himself, but not the kind you'd peg for a future paramilitary cult leader.

I don't think this astrologer pays enough attention to his Leo Mars in the 5th house. There's plenty of catalytic influence there, including sexual issues (given other aspects, he may have just had an uncomfortably high, erratic and impulsive sex drive for a Taurean, which doesn't necessarily mean he was frustrated with women in general), plus inclinations to narcissism, a child-like ego, and a dramatic and highly creative imagination. Since this is trined his Uranus and both in impulsive fire signs, his ego, sex drive and other Martian attributes would have been probably very unstable. I suspect whatever triggered Applegate's sudden change from "the weird guy in our college music department" to infamous suicide cult leader may have roots in his childhood, because between this Mars placement's inclinations toward a "perpetual childhood" and his Taurus Sun/Moon's inclination toward repressing unpleasent emotional issues (further encouraged by oppressive Saturn aspects), there doesn't seem enough room to develop a fully adult, healthy ego (and he would've have had quite an ego, with that 1st house activity plus a Leo Mars), thus harboring ego-related childhood issues well into his late adulthood.

I could say more, but I gotta run.

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Archer
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posted October 07, 2004 09:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
only strongheaded aries or taurus can do this!

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astro junkie
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posted October 07, 2004 10:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great insight Gem Nymph - I agree with you, the Taurus side being able to follow through.

Also he must have had some major fallout with his mom. Castration? And getting other's to do it? I think his closest partner was a female, wasn't it? And she also castrated herself (clitoris)...

Are you saying that Leo Mars in the 5th points to that too?

Check this out - he had some similar energies as Hitler :::

Sun 0°48' Taurus
Moon 6°38' Capricorn
Mercury 25°40' Aries
Venus 16°42' Taurus
Mars 16°23' Taurus
Jupiter 8°15' Capricorn
Saturn 13°28' Leo
Uranus 19°29' Libra
Neptune 0°51' Gemini
Pluto 4°40' Gemini
Chiron 7°38' Cancer
Node 16°03' Cancer

Planets in Houses
Sun House 7
Moon House 3
Mercury House 7
Venus House 7
Mars House 7
Jupiter House 3
Saturn House 10
Uranus House 12
Neptune House 8
Pluto House 8
Chiron House 9

Node House 9

Positions of Houses
House 1 26°41' Libra
House 2 23°57' Scorpio
House 3 27°05' Sagitarius
House 4 4°10' Aquarius
House 5 8°04' Pisces
House 6 5°21' Aries
House 7 26°41' Aries
House 8 23°57' Taurus
House 9 27°05' Gemini
House 10 4°10' Leo
House 11 8°04' Virgo
House 12 5°21' Libra

List of Aspects
Venus Conjunction Mars Orb +0°18'
Moon Conjunction Jupiter Orb +1°36'
Neptune Conjunction Pluto Orb +3°49'
Sun Conjunction Mercury Orb +5°08'
Uranus Conjunction AS Orb +7°11'
Saturn Conjunction MC Orb +9°17'
Mercury Opposite AS Orb -1°00'
Sun Opposite AS Orb -4°07'
Mercury Opposite Uranus Orb -6°10'
Mars Square Saturn Orb -2°55'
Venus Square Saturn Orb -3°14'
Sun Square MC Orb +3°21'
Sun Trine Moon Orb -5°49'
Sun Trine Jupiter Orb -7°26'
Mars Trine Jupiter Orb +8°08'
Pluto Sextile MC Orb -0°29'
Neptune Sextile MC Orb +3°19'
Saturn Sextile Uranus Orb +6°01'
Moon Inconjunction Pluto Orb -1°57'
Moon Inconjunction MC Orb +2°27'
Venus Inconjunction Uranus Orb +2°47'
Uranus SesquiQuadrate Pluto Orb -0°10'
Jupiter Quintile AS Orb -0°26'
Saturn Quintile Neptune Orb +0°36'
Moon BiQuintile Neptune Orb +0°12'
Jupiter BiQuintile Saturn Orb +0°47'
Moon BiQuintile Saturn Orb -0°49'
Sun SemiSextile Neptune Orb +0°02'

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astro junkie
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posted October 07, 2004 10:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And Lenin is listed as having Taurus Sun & Cappy Moon too sometimes, and sometimes listed as having Aqua Moon. Don't know which is correct, but if it's same Taurus/Cap as Hitler, is kind of weird.

(I wonder if Hitler having Chiron in Cancer meant anything regarding spitefulness towards mom).

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astro junkie
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posted October 07, 2004 10:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just realized that Karl Marx had Taurus Sun, Moon & Venus.

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