posted November 09, 2004 01:29 PM              

Jesus embodies lessons from every sign.

i suppose that being said, his sign would point to pisces. however somewhere i read he was born in october. obviously birthdate theories abound.

Buddha however, was born april 8th...

posted November 09, 2004 06:01 PM            

I don't remember everything about this, just something I learned in school a while back. If anyone has some clarity to add to this, please do!

posted November 09, 2004 06:49 PM              

The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.

In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.

Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.

The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.

In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.

Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: “Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.”

posted November 09, 2004 06:56 PM            

For those who don't know Star Notes were newsletters Linda sent to fans who subscribed. I will try to make time to search and see if the Jesus info is in them.

posted November 10, 2004 02:32 AM              

I had always read that Buddha was a Taurus. You said he was born April 8th. But who really knows? Another one of those with an unclear date I guess. I found an interesting link that says he was born May 1st on a full moon, giving him a Scorpio moon.
http://members.tripod.com/~junojuno2/buddha.htm

posted April 21, 2005 01:06 AM              

In the story Mary gave birth to him under a date tree and there were fresh ripe dates that fell from it as she was in labor and afterwards, so she had some nourishment. From their interpretation he was born near the end of teh summer, like in July or August. So he may have been a leo or a virgo?!?

posted April 21, 2005 01:33 AM              

You could say he has a bit of every sign in him..

:edit: he could be march born or august born or september born or december born or whenever else, but it'd be pretty hard to argue he's the typical of any one sign (without having to be pretty biased in your argument).. there's no sign I'd see as just right for him, personally..

Then again it's kinda like that with a lot of people me included, because of other chart influences and LIFE..

I also remember either reading something or hearing about it and I'm not sure if it's right. Does he say somewhere in the bible that he wants to be remebered for what he died for/when he died not when he was born.. something along those lines? I thought it was interesting when I heard that, but I hav no idea where I got it from now so it might not be accurate..

posted April 21, 2005 01:57 AM              

ok some interesting things I have learned. did anyone here know there are some theologians who believe Jesus never existed...and no i am not speaking of the athiests. Apparently, there was no true document except the old testament and subsequent writtings. The other folks in the bible were mentioned ..Moses, John, Luke etc. but in ancient tablets, a very similar story was told, sans "Jesus Christ". Not saying this is fact, but I would like to hear ideas. Could Jesus be a mythical character. Is Jesus really created in God's form or is God really *energy*..

26T- the official book of buddha, the one they distribute in thier temples, says april 8.

it could be wrong tho. he certainly looks more taurus just kidding~ sort of. where did you read he was taurus?

posted April 21, 2005 02:46 AM            

Aside from the point, whether you think he was a Pisces or not is I suppose to try and guess how martyrish he is. Jesus, is, I suppose the ultimate martyr- in a good way.. but he was compassionate and think of bible stories how he TOLD people things... he had to be a Mutable sign really.... maybe even Gemini. Apparently he did have sex lots.... why do you think Mary Magdaline was so sad?! (Sorry again to any die hard Christians out there).

But if you think about it, trying to guess when he was born is almost as dumb/difficult as guessing whether he was real or not. There is 'evidence' for and against- so much is contradicting. However, if you do truely believe in Jesus, I suppose it is right to think of him as a Capricorn, (even if maybe his birthday was January 9th or something...) otherwise it just proves how ridiculous people who organise religion are.

Not the religions themselves.

posted April 23, 2005 12:31 PM              

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Is Jesus really created in God's form or is God really *energy*..

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I think you've hit the nail on the head in reference to your query. Put it this way, "Jesus" or the "Christ Spirit" manifested at just the right time. It was energy and all that, permanently imprinting and altering our DNA. Whether he was a "real guy" is not important.

The Spirit came down upon everyone, and in the form of a man, perhaps came to us in a form we could understand. Just like a certain great artist being born and reflecting something within ourselves through their art, at just the right time. God's speed ...