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Eternal Blue
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posted November 13, 2004 10:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She's a good friend of mine and I've got her natal chart details, but she hasn't been able to get online, let alone joining LL. She has been confused by her own horoscope and I'd like to hear what you think about it:

Planet-sign-position degrees-position minutes-house:

Ascendant: Libra
Ruling planet: Pluto
Sun Aquarius 13 54' 4th house
Moon Virgo 11 19' 11th house
Mercury Aquarius 23 24' 5th house
Venus Pisces 22 21' 6th house
Mars Virgo 13 07' 11th house
Jupiter Virgo 7 53' 11th house
Saturn Virgo 26 25' 12th house
Uranus Scorpio 25 10' 2nd house
Neptune Sagittarius 22 01' 3rd house
Pluto Libra 22 11' 1st house
North Node Virgo 0 07' 11th house
Lilith Virgo (other details unknown)

I've never closely studied the 4th house, so I don't know what it means that her sun is in the 4th house. Her Venus is in Pisces, which is the rising position, but it opposites all her planets in Virgo, including moon, Mars, and Lilith; does that mean they are her love afflictions? That there will be tension and conflict when it comes to her love life? She is very concerned about love, marriage and motherhood. Her Uranus is in Scorpio, the 2nd house, which suits her lavish tendency. Her Saturn is definitely her major affliction as it is in her 12th house. If only I knew in which house her Lilith is, the star that rules the past lives...could you give me some more ideas about her horoscope, please...? We'd appreciate it

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Eternal Blue
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posted November 14, 2004 05:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got the title wrong. It should be "Please help..." instead of "Help...". Anyway, can somebody give us some insight? I know better about my own afflictions then my friend's. She is not doing well at the moment.

Again, we'd appreciate your help!

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 14, 2004 05:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, she's got an interesting chart. I assumig that if she could get online, she's post about this herself? Sometimes i'm a little wary about people asking about other people's charts.

Anyhow there's several things I could comment on, but for right now let's just look at thiese things:

She has some very definite strengths, but most of these strengths aren't going to be completely free of some conflict. She has this strong Aqua/11th house theme in her chart, but also a strong Virgo/6th house theme running counterpont to it. This counterpoint will revolve around her Sun and moon influences respectively. Aqua and Virgo have some common ground: both are analytical and seek to respond to reality in an objective way. Both like to learn and understand, and like to stick to their principles. Both are capable of an egalitarian attitude toward people and tend to be very tolerant of people who are different from them. Chances are, she's rather virtuous, fair and strong-minded person, or at least she strives very hard to be.

But Aqua and Virgo are very different in other more conflicting ways: Aqua needs space and detachment; Virgo wants detachment but needs grounding and security as well. This will require so work on her behalf to understand her needs and strike a balance between her need for detachment and independence and her need for grounding and a "home base." Also, both Aqua and Virgo tend to have terrible dealing with unpleasent emotions - she needs to watch this carefully, as repressing unpleasent feelings will hurt her very badly later down the line and potentially sabotage relationships.

Conflicting needs between freedoma nd security are emphasized further by her Sun's house - the 4th. This is a very strong house and will put a lot of pressure on her Sun that isn't aggreeable to it. The 4th house is about domestic security and needs, a sense of home and "roots", a place of belonging; Aqua Sun is going to make her a person who is very cerebral, detached, liberated but not very sentimental or emotive, and thus she may not readily appreciate the things that the 4th house represents. This may make her stubborn and refuse to assess her options and her own needs realistically when she's faced with a daunting problems, especially if it's about home, family, relationships or anything else emblematic of security and safe harbor to her (including possessions and money). Both Aqua and Virgo excel at self-denial and deferred gratification - but she may do this in excess at times and will need to learn when it's OK to indulge herself a little. She's need to learn when she is denying something to herself for a goal, or when she is mistakingly thinking it's not what she need or wants, or maybe deserves.

The combination of Saturn in the 12th and Pluto in the 1st is going to be a tricky one to learn to live with. She'll need to be patient with herself - she has the potential of being a very powerful influence (for better or for worse) in other people's lives, yet all the same this "power" may not feel like something she can control. Realistically, she can't - she'll need to learn to accept this and live with it, and be mindful never to use her Saturn or Pluto's influence over other people for selfish or malicious ends. As she matures, she'll cope better with this combination, and may end up becoming a very wise individual whom other seek counsel from (if she's not already). She has two singletons - Uranus (only water planet) and Neptune (only fire planet) - which act as further focal points in her chart in addition to Sun, moon, and this Sat-Pluto combo. These singletons combined with her other outer planet placements give her the ability to see "into" people, assess them very astutuely on a deeper level, and this may make she both very aware and understanding but also a bit alienated and lonely, as she sees things others don't.

With an Libra ASC and an exalted Pisces Venus, she's probably very attractive to people, open and friendly. With these placements and Pluto in the 1st, people will feel like they can trust her or they can't instanteously upon meeting her. For those that don't think they can trust her, it's probably best that they stay away - 1st house Pluto tends to spur away people who are dishonest and manipulative, yet attract more honest and open people. With an Pisces Venus and those singletons, her intuition about people will be very astute, but she may not always trust it, even though she should. She may wish that she could reach all people all the time (Aqua Sun, Virgo moon, Pisces Venus), but she'll have to accept that she can only control her own choices, and that her intuition will guide her to people that will appreciate her for herself and her talents.

With a Neptune singleton, Pisces Venus and Virgo Mars, she's probably be very creative. If she's not doing something creative in her life, she may need to start - this energy needs a constructive outlet, and she'll be miserible if she doesn't make use of it. What she make create might be unusual or hard for other to access, but she needs to focus on following her creative intuition and not seeking acceptence from others. Trusting in her creative intuition will most likely open doors - mental, spiritual, or possibly in her relationships or career - for her that she didn't think were accessible before.

As for relationships, I'm no prophet, but I would suspect that she may need time to learn more about herself and her talents - she is obviously a multifaceted, intelligent and profoundly gifted person, but for her to know and understand all of this about herself this may take time. ALso, she'll need to learn to have faith in herself (Virgo moon and Virgo Mars tend to lack that). Until then, relationships may be difficult as she may not know what kind of partner would be good for her yet. She certainly has a lot of give to others and could be a wonderful influence in the lives of other people, and with some much Virgo in 11th house influence, I suspect she'll find many friends as well as the right mate for herself (if not her true soul mate) by pursuing her calling, which probably will have something to do with working and helping with people.

I help she find this useful.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 14, 2004 05:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You posted your second post while I was still writing the above response. I'm sorry to hear she's not doing well. I know I didn't answer your specific questions, but ther were a lot of things I thought needed to be pointed out that may not have been pointed out other by other more conventional chart interpretations. I tend to be more intuitive, looking at the whole chart dynamic as opposed to isolated aspects, and base things on my understanding and experience of the fundamental aspects of astrology (with a few other tricks up my sleeve), so my interpretations tend to take a different, more holistic path a lot of the time.

Let me know what she thinks of this, and if there are specific questions she wants to ask, I can address them then, OK?

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 15, 2004 09:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooops, I made a mistake...her Uranus is not a singleton. There are two water planets in her chart - uranus and Venus. My bad.

However, her Neptune is still a singleton, and being th only one, a very strong one at that.

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astro junkie
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posted November 15, 2004 11:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never closely studied the 4th house, so I don't know what it means that her sun is in the 4th house


"Sun in 4th House -

developing your personal identity, means: Pride in the family.

Your upbringing has had an especially profound effect on your identity, and your father's influence will have been particularly strong in this respect. You have had a compelling need to look up to him and use him as a role model - for good or ill. Later in life you will draw great strength from the family you build up yourself, and your children will probably take a central role in your life.

Your home and family will be the most important motivating influence for you, and you will be aggressively protective of them. You identify strongly with your home and may also take a special interest in your family history. You will not mind spending a lot of your time at home - this where you can really be yourself."

Her Venus is in Pisces, which is the rising position, but it opposites all her planets in Virgo, including moon, Mars, and Lilith; does that mean they are her love afflictions

Maybe, but could be worse ...


That there will be tension and conflict when it comes to her love life? She is very concerned about love, marriage and motherhood.

No matter, it's still a matter of intention ...

Her Uranus is in Scorpio, the 2nd house, which suits her lavish tendency. Her Saturn is definitely her major affliction as it is in her 12th house. If only I knew in which house her Lilith is, the star that rules the past lives...could you give me some more ideas about her horoscope.

If you want to learn more about "the lilith's" let me know.

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Eternal Blue
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posted November 15, 2004 06:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini Nymph,

Thanks very much for you detailed interpretation. I spoke to her and she was amazed at how precise it is. She doesn't mind her personality being discussed here. She's very curious about herself. She has lately realized that she does tend to repress her feelings, and that has led to social failure. She's highly intelligent, but due to personal reasons- which very likely has to do with her 12th house Saturn position, her potential is still not recognized and basically her life may be already ruined forever (at least that's what she thinks). She is a creative person and she wants to express herself but she lives a quite isolated life. She's not sure if she'll have that many friends one day.

You're so right about her strengths and weaknesses. She admitted that she was pretty self-effacing, even ashamed of herself...she can't help it. She is tormented by self-denial and she never wants to let anyone know about her problems. She wouldn't let others in. She's already quite miserable, I don't know how to help her.

She would like to know more about the meaning of her 5th house Aquarian Mercury position (a rising position) and that of her ARIES 7th house, which rules marriage and partnership and there's no planet in it.

astro junkie,

I'll speak to her again. Thank you for the points you made. I really want to learn more about Lilith, so if you had time to tell me more about it that'll be fatastic

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Eternal Blue
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posted November 15, 2004 06:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just replied to you guys but it's not here! Weird.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 15, 2004 07:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eternal blue - Ruined her life? Hardly. Aqua and Virgo, both very strong in her chart, are demanding leaning toward prefectionism and have high expectations. She needs to learn to be more realistic and accept that she'll have shortcomings, disappointements and setbacks like every one else, and that doesn't mean her life's ruined.

Another thing that both signs tend to be is too self-sufficient - they don't want to let other people help them, as they see this as a sign of weakness (I now all about this, with my Virgo rising with 6th house Aqua Mars). She needs to let those close to her help her out. She may not believe people when they tell her she has talents or gifts - this is that lack of faith working against her.

With a Virgo Mars, she may find it very hard to find direction in her life once she feels she's lost it. This Mars is easily discouraged and is prone to anxiety and depression. As it is in the 11th house, she needs to look outside herself for support here - from friends and loved ones. She needs to believe that she is actually very blessed, even if she isn't a place to see that yet - active 11th houses often indicate someone who'll have extraordinary and profound experiences in their lives through other people. In some cases, these people end up giving back much more than what they receive simply out of gratitude, and they serve as inspiration for others.

And with her Neptune singleton...there's so much I could say about this...anyhow, she'll be faced with some profound spiritual struggles in her life, but she needs to have faith that these kind of struggles aren't indicators of weakness or failure, or that she's a worthless, hopeless individual, but rather, that she's on the path to an awareness and discovery of herself and of life that very few people are blessed to experience in this world. People with this singleton often feel like they're constantly struggling to find a place in this world, to be accepted and love, that they're just "passing through" this world. They tend to be very lonely on a very profound level, as they are more aware of the human condition and both the beauty and the woundedness of this world than most people can hope to be, and this can overwhelm them, leaving them in depression and despair. Overcoming this takes great faith, and this singleton is capable of finding that faith, but often only through some deep spiritual struggle.

All in all, I suspect that faith is her greatest problem right now - with a Aqua/Virgo combo she may find it hard to see that not all of life's challenges can be met with analytical thinking and emotional detachment, but some things, espeically spiritual things, demand us to immerse ourselves, surrender ourselves unconditionally to faith and hope, to trust our intuition and to trust that darkness is only the prelude to the dawn - these are all Neptunian virtues that are very foreign and uncomfortable to Aqua and Virgo. She needs to see that with a Neptune singleton as a focal point in her chart, this isn't something she can ignore or wish away. She has to confront it - it's part of her desptiny, and part of her own self-discovery, and ultimately she'll find many blessings and much wisdom in this.

I'm glad she was pleased with what I wrote earlier. Tell her to be hopeful and that despite her present troubles, she has much in life waiting for her.

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Eternal Blue
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posted November 16, 2004 04:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini Nymph,

Thanks again for the further analysis, you've been very helpful.

Her Pisces Venus opposites her Virgo
moon,
Mars,
Jupiter,
Saturn,
North Node and
Lilith.

And it exactly squares her Sag Neptune (Pisces Venus 22 degrees versus Sagttarius Neptune 22 degrees).Though it does trine her Scorp Uranus.

Could you give her more specific answers and advice on such afflictions and what these may bring to her life? She desperately needs to know.

BTW, her Pisces Venus is in her 6th house. She'd like to find out about its meaning and how this may effect her health.

Her Aqua sun and Mercury square her Scorp Uranus (esp her Mercury 23 degrees versus her Uranus 25 degrees), despite the fact that they sextile her Sag Neptune (esp her Mercury 23 degrees versus her Neptune 22 degrees).

Her Virgo moon, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, North Node and Lilith square her Sag Neptune (esp her Saturn 26 degrees versus her Neptune 22 degrees).

Her Libran ruling planet Pluto trines her Aqua sun and Mercury. She wishes to know what good this may do to her and more about her rising Mercury position.

Her Scorp Uranus sextiles her Virgo moon, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, North Node and Lilith. She'd like to know what positive effects this may have.

To all:

We'd like to hear more opinion from you and we'd be grateful

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 16, 2004 04:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EB - I can understand her predictment probably beter than either you realize. I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I've been an outcast all my life. like many other people with AS, I've been also badly treated by people throughout my life, including family. I've struggled since I was 8 with severe and at times suicidal depression. I had suspected she probably had very similar experiences because like her, I have a 1st house Pluto and a Neptune singleton, a prominent Pisces planet, as well as Aqua and Virgo influnces.

At any rate, I get the impression that you've heard enough from me. I'll let AJ and others respond to your questions.

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Eternal Blue
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posted November 16, 2004 05:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini Nymph, I'm sending some positive energy to you

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astro junkie
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posted November 16, 2004 07:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EternalBlue -

There are only a couple of simple things to remember as you go out there like a johnny-come-lately -

The most important thing is make sure you are given the TRUE NODES


Avoid "interpretations" from modern sources.

Know that there is inaccurate information out there on the lilith's, from which Symbol represents which lilith, to where each lilith is located in the heavens. Even astro.com talks out of their azz about it, and can you guess why this has been allowed to get out of hand?

Politics.

There has been a witholding of information because it was discovered "certain" astrologists had taken the inaccurate info and passed it on as fact.

For starters, there are 3 bodies or points in space which are altnernately referred to as "lilith" -

lilith Dark Moon
lilith Black Moon
lilith Asteroid

No matter what anyone tries to interject here, I'll continue to pound away. I've done the research, as well as having personal vested interest.

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