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Secret Garden
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posted December 13, 2004 03:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone
Im new here and have been reading your posts though for a while, and have a pressing question:
Leo man (scorpio moon) falls in love with Gemini girl (scorpio moon) but suddenly, happily marries Cancer woman (libra moon)>? The marriage is about 4 yrs old and they are happy n thriving, with a bouncin 3 yr old Sag son.
Leo and Gemini still meet up and spend (time?) together... can't seem to get away from each other, but the Leo is all bouncin and happy with his married life too...whats goin on Im so confused. This gemini girl is my best friend and I keep tellin her he's gonna break her heart again, but she won't listen
Btw i always thot Leos and Geminis were supposed to be better off together than Leo Cancer? But would he be better off with the Cancer wife in this scenario? Somebody explain please Thanks!

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posted December 13, 2004 08:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 13, 2004 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a very difficult situation SG. Sometimes a Gemini can be too tough to take for a Leo. A Leo man likes to know that he is desired and well taken care of - if not, then he will withdrawal and put his attention elsewhere.

Personally, I have a hard time with the Leo Sun /Scorp moon combination. Sometimes they can be very self-centered and ruthless, but having a Cancer woman there (who also has a Moon / sun square) may be what he needs for happiness in his domestic life.

The Gemini / Scorp? Well, why is she still seeing him? Doesn't she realize that he passed her over for another? Why would she continue the relationship and have an affair with him knowing that he is married with a kid? She is not being far to the child or his wife- what could she possibly want? Him? Why would she trust him knowing that 1) he bailed on her and married someone else 2) she is cheating on the person he chose OVER her...

Sounds like he has his caretaker at home..and his caretaker in the bedroom.

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sthenri
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posted December 13, 2004 05:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He married the Cancer, and Cancers in my opinion make great wives and mothers truly. Does your Gemini think she can stand in? If she can't then she will always be second fiddle. The competition is fierce but Scorpio moons like that, it's a compulsive addiction, like smoking. It's not love, at all.

I tend to think Cancers let their men stray a bit, to have more space from home, and they can withdraw if they feel like it. The compulsion to go back to the Cancer would be too strong. Especially after dealing with a Gemini woman/Scorpio moon woman and her emotions.

Having been the competing one with a Cancer too, I can say that the guilt she will go through will drive her crazy. He will end up cheating on the Gemini with the Cancer back and forth. Cancers go through so much, they deserve whatever crumbs of happiness they get, besides the Gemini is not the only one, just the only one you know about. Your Gemini may like this kind of scenario, thinking she knows all the players. She may end up cheating on him.

Who knows? It's drama, and it's exciting but Cancers know this, and offer quiet support, he will always compare the two, and if he loses the Cancer he will not want the Gemini, he will want to be free of feminine control for a while.

He doesn't sound much like a man worth fighting for, tell your Gemini friend there are better. She may have a fixation on bad sex, or what's bad for her, is good. Some Geminis do like that. To be honest they probably do things he would never want to do with the woman he respected because he is a little messed up too. The other woman, gets the man, and when she does, finds out he's suddenly less than a man. (in my experience)

Good Luck,
Natasha
Taurus/Cancer Moon
Gemini/7th house

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted December 13, 2004 07:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Secret Garden, hey I'm new too Glad to see some other new faces..

Well I'm a Leo (as you can tell by my name) so I know how I personally would get along with a Cancer vs a Gemini, but of course I can't speak for the Leo you know. I have always found that I naturally hit it off with other fire and air signs..Gemini is air. They fan my fire and bring out my fun, enthusiastic side, which Leo's are known for.

However Leo is also a fixed sign and requires loyalty and security in a relationship and lots of attention.. Gemini may be able to be effectionate at times, but they have enough to spread around to everyone. They are said to love flirting and have short attention spans. You can see this prob wouldn't make the Leo feel very secure..when I say Leo I mean me, hehe. Cancer is much more of a stable, sensitive homebody that the Leo can depend on..so maybe in the end we are meant to settle down with more stable signs.

However there's nothing like air to fan that Leonine fire, so thats prob why they can't get enough of each other. However I personally suggest that your friend finds another fire/air sign that she's just as compatible that way with because he is happily married with a child. I mean I think she may be getting her head in too deep, why help mess up a good marriage. And yea if he leaves his wife for her, who's to say he won't leave for the next fan that burns his fire. So I think your right to tell her, she's going to get hurt..and so will his Cancer wife..this is not a good scenario for anyone.


Monica*~

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted December 13, 2004 07:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, hopefully the Cancer wife has a little fire or air to balance out the water, and he does have a Scorpio moon which "waters" down his Leo a bit and helps him relate to his Cancer more. I'm sorry I tend to always side with the wife or husband because they don't deserve to go on thinking everything is happy in their marriage when its not. If he's happy, he needs to stop Looking! It sounds like he takes the things he has in his life for granted, when he loved your friend, he still went for another girl..now he Has the other girl and wants your friend back. Sounds like this Leo isn't over his playboy stage..Leo's usually have all their fun early in life and become more responsible later on. I got a lot of this from Linda Goodman's "Sun Signs", so you know its pretty accurate.

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Secret Garden
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posted December 13, 2004 08:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again everyone
thanks leo sweet heart,
maybe an added detail would help: the leo man's marriage was arranged? but he 'happily adjusted' once it was over?
i feel sorry for my gemini gal pal because she can't seem to move on, she has only really loved this one man in life. she's a very atypical gem. i wont reveal what my sign is but its not supposed to be 'compatible' with geminis. but we get along very well, she's very watery, very emotional. sometimes i think maybe she is still looking for the relationship she had with him, after she lost her father as a teenager and had a huge void in her life?
personally she is my best friend and i want to save her from destruction.... me and my bf have tried dragging her along on double dates but she's always so depressed and cynical when it comes to relationships that it really hurts me to see that... i donno what to hope for reallie

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted December 13, 2004 08:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot you said she has a Scorpio Moon, so that could explain the watery side you see in her. Yeah its hard to see a friend hurt like that, I know exactly how you feel. I've been there a few times, its like no matter how many times you tell them the guy is bad for them and try to help them move on, they just can't see that. How long ago did she have a relationship with the Leo man? And oh okay, the marriage was arranged..that explains why someone so in love would find someone else. Well maybe he is happy with his new Cancer, but he misses that passionate love he felt for your friend. I feel sorry them, it sounds like they had a really good thing going. Where are you from by the way? Was he under a lot of pressure to marry this person, how much choice did he have?

Anyway, i don't really think he's going to leave his wife, he just had a child and it seems they are learning how to get along together, sounds very cozy. If this love was not so long ago, then I would say just give her time..but if its been a while, I think it's really important that she stop chasing after the what ifs, and she needs to start seeing this for what it is, an affair. Sorry I can go off sometimes I hope your friend finds some peace and meets another great guy to take her mind off him, I think thats what she needs, she just needs to be open to it.

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Secret Garden
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posted December 13, 2004 08:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah i agree, i hope it all works out best for her . we've been best friends since i was 5 and she was 4
we come from a conservative eastern culture. he didn't have much choice as his families is one of the richest ones in the country, back home. he has one mentally retarded brother, being the only healthy and able son of the family he had a lot of 'keep up the business' woes.
she's become so bitter, and is making me bitter by the minute too. lol. i haven't had smooth relationships with men myself, and am becoming a hermit. altho i have a bf, its becoming completely abusive relationship. that happens with me all the time, love turns to hate, for some reason i attract abusive men. but for some reason i keep looking? and keep attracting the same kind?
very off topic!
to answer ur time question, this happened about 4 yrs ago.
btw leo sweet heart i love leos so happy to see one here in the forum.

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted December 13, 2004 10:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Secret Garden,

I'm a very lovable Leo myself, so thanks I'm sure we'll make good friends Okay I know what you mean with the family pressure to marry someone, esp when your a more prominent family, image is everything. I have friends from ALL over! i like it that way, gives me a broader perspective and keeps me from narrowing my mind Wow it was 4 years ago! Your poor friend, she needs to move on badly! I know you know that and theres only so much you can do. I would just remain positive for her that she'll meet someone new and keep emphasizing that he is in a very committed relationship now and theres no hope of ever having him completely to herself the way she wants it.

I'm sure she's causing you to be cynical, but don't let her get to you. What you project emotionally usually comes true. If you think your not going ever find a healthy happy relationship, you won't have one. You'll just except the bad ones as all that you deserve. To me to finally have a mostly healthy relationship I had to: fall in love with myself and be okay alone for a little while without a guy. Then when I got into a relationship, the second I noticed a guy disrespecting my precious self, I would not tolerate it..it would feel so unnatural and I Knew I didn't deserve it. Sometimes when we lose ourselves to someone else and let them decide for us what we deserve and how worthy we are, it starts to feel normal when they abuse us or something we can't help. First fall in love with yourself and then i think your standards will really raise. You deserve the Best out there!!!!! Don't settle, real love where the guy adores and treats you honorably is the greatest feeling, you'll wonder why you endured the abuse for so long, trust me..I;ve been there.

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sthenri
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posted December 13, 2004 11:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would help if she wouldn't speak to him so much, chances are they talk all the time.

I just finished up one of these relationships, between a Gemini man, Cancer female, and now another Cancer female! And I can say that he will talk, talk, talk all the time to her about his life and drag her in. That's what's making her cynical. Tell her that she doesn't have to listen to his whining. And he is really whining to her a lot.

Get her mind of it, anyway, tell her to take vitamin B for depression, and anxiety, and the amino acid relaxer (you can get that online or at health food stores). It's a mix of herbal antidepressants that keep you from worrying.
Great stuff. The worry about him is keeping her crazy. She worries if he's happy, sick, she is in protective mode, and she doesn't realize he is not her responsibility anymore. He is not her baby!

Scorpio and Cancer Moons, as well as some Pisces moons will combine the sexual with the protective and baby their men. So that they are ultra terrified of some other woman, cooking and cleaning, and taking care of their property.

Not only is the scorpio moon sexual, but it wants to make the baby, needs help. To be needed is very important to her. Seeing children, would be a BIG help.

It helps me to be around children at times like that. The love of a four year old girl can't compare to a whiny bratty grown man

So many water moon women, get protective, want to live with the man, cook for him, it's amazing. The men do this too, and get so wrapped up in being the OTHER MAN. It sucks for male Cancer moons especially, the ones I know are always getting sucked into taking care of a woman who has all sorts of problems and needs while giving nothing back but sex.

So, some people are predators they prey on weakness, they sense emotional vulnerability is a turn on, and they use it.

if the Leo wasn't married, he wouldn't be able to feel sorry for himself, so she wouldn't be attracted.

Your Gemini thinks she is attracted to married men, but she's not. She's attracted to loser men, who feel sorry for themselves and make her feel like she is to blame. He also blames his Cancer wife too, probably telling her everyday how he blames her for the way he feels. Everyday must be a living hell arranged around his moods.

They must play "Guess how I feel" today and she gets punished by watching him go out, if she doesn't comply. Too much power for one man,

It's the loser act, it's making the Gemini feel guilty.
Tell her he's fine, that he will be up and down, but he will get used to it.

She must get some sort of professional help, now, and those antidepressants.

If I didn't take those last week, honestly I would have run the Gemini over with my car.
The Gemini in my life was a Taurus moon, so it's not just Scorpio moons who are brats.

There must be some sort of aspect to Neptune in the Leo's chart which allows him to get sympathy. Maybe Neptune opp or square Mars, Mercury, or Moon? Does his Neptune fall into her 12th house, or do they have a Neptune/Moon aspect together? She is acting like his mother, I hope she can see that. She has to let him grow up, and let someone else take care of him for a while.
The Leo sounds like a Scorpio Ascendant, or his ascendant ruler may be in Scorpio.

As for you mystery sign, I would say Scorpio, Libra? I am betting on Scorpio somewhere.

Take care of your friend, but take of yourself too, those moods are catching, and you need anti depressants just as much with your boyfriend. He doesn't sound like much of a friend.

Good Luck, remember
Don't Date Losers, we were meant to fight them off. That's evolution. Maybe you have to really hurt them once in a while, but if a man is hurting he can go out there and pick on another man. Women are not as strong physically, that's why we pick strong men who give us stability. If there's no stability, there is no sexual desire.

At least that's what I am reading right now, it's all about how Alpha males fight with other males and the premium females submit to their sexual advances because they sense stability.

In most cases, the female has submitted to the wrong one, but she can always go looking for an Alpha males somewhere else. How can you find one unless you have two fighting over you? The Leo wants two women fighting over him, so he can guard the hearth and home. He wants to be in control, the "babymaker". But he's already got a premium female so now what? games?

anyway, good luck on getting rid of these men, and finding alpha males who let you be in control of your lives, it's just a process:>

Here you can read about the relaxant, so at least you know what it is, and you can buy it near you http://www.webvitamins.com/product.aspx?id=18930

Natasha


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Secret Garden
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posted December 14, 2004 12:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow natasha that was a powerful reply
as for my sign, the only reason ive never revealed my sign on any forum is because although im an astro lover and totally respect the descriptions, i would feel confined if i defined myself according to sun sign, or even all my planets.
and then certain people would be turned off by my sign, and i want everyone to talk to me freely, even criticize my sign freely, so that i know exactly what everyone thinks about my sign
also, that was some powerful psych analysis. Im totally into psych myself, human resources being one of my career paths. i can see how he would want to be babied, and when they were together it was sort of a 'all in all' relationship. i would remember it seemed like he was everything to her-in a weird way, friend, supporter, father figure, bf. she was like his pamperer as well as his girl and they seemed completely engrossed.
i do believe in a romantic ideal, however, perhaps this degree of dependency is unhealthy. anyways, who am i to discuss dependency, ive had serious dependency/abuse problems before with my virgo man. as far as the dumping the losers, i will admit he had epilepsy which he didnt tell me before marriage (which i also resent)... and he did play a lot of dishonest power games... now in retrospect i see it... but i wish i had seen it then. i bought into the fact that i was 'bad'. i had been a bad wife. so i deserved to be beaten. but then in the end, he would apologize and cry anyway so if i rejected the apology i would just be 'worse'. so i was sort of forced ,by guilt, into accepting it.
thank god now we're about 2000 miles apart and im going back to university, i feel much healthier and have lots of friends
friends rock
btw, thanks for ur inspirational words. i may need a few of those medicines myself, i do admit hope they help.

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted December 14, 2004 02:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes that was very interesting sthenri

Secret Garden, I may have been off in assuming you don't think as highly of yourself as you could..sorry for that bit of advice. Its sounds like your already taking one step toward nocking the habbit of being with abusive guys, your leaving the loser! Yay, good job!!

If in the future you see signs of another abusive man, you will know what to look for and what it could lead to..so you'll probably back out sooner. You can just take this as a really good learning experience

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Secret Garden
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posted December 14, 2004 03:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes i hope i will detect it
its just that im not at all submissive, most people that know me would call me 'strong willed.' somehow in relationships i want to please my significant other so much that i forget the power/domination factor. i just sort of want to keep harmony.
i hate it when ppl fight! hehe

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sthenri
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posted December 14, 2004 03:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Leosweetheart, what we wish becomes true, always, always,

so be careful what you wish for, and aim high,

Natasha

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