posted December 22, 2004 07:08 PM              

I met a man recently with this placement and our dating history was identical.

posted December 22, 2004 11:42 PM              

firelights and deira, I too can make myself believe almost anything! Well this works well when I am painting because I can see almost anything in front of me, and I am confident, but in love it doesn't always pay to be overly confident.

What I must do is compare my options and be realistic no matter what.

Deira, most people will see your fire first.

Does anyone else feel that they must live with their partner to really understand him/her? I get that feeling all the time, which may just be the partner's wish or will.

And can you hear/feel what the other is thinking?

posted December 23, 2004 11:02 AM              

But I do find those I am attracted to fall off the planet for me, if I don't see them a lot, or live with them, eventually it did lead to marriage with one, but I was tired of the relationship by that point, because we did not live together well.

So I do think it's important to find out how you live with each other, even if for a few weeks. If you can't decide if he's the one or not. If it's that serious than the living together will change your mind or not in a few months. Spending time with his family can help make you see things too.

I lost quite a few Catholic family members when I lived with my ex the Libra the first time. But then again we were both struggling financially in a high rent area, and we are still friends for life. I still think I made the right decision, although next time I would not move into a man's house, too hard to break old patterns.

My sister is very happy with her husband and two children of 10 years, and the lived together for five years first.

So for some people it's necessary, but I do not like the idea either at first either, both times when I expressed hesitation it damaged the relationship though. For men I think it's more a test to see how you can cook! If you go over and cook, I have a suspicion that good cooking skills make a man settle down fast. Even a Gemini or Libra.

posted December 23, 2004 11:11 AM              

Maybe because I sense so much underlying a peron's facade (you know, things they don't reveal), I steer clear of most problems. However, I have attracted attached men. But I am unsure if that is more the norm in this society anymore. So many people do not honor their relationship boundaries so I almost feel this is a society problem, less so because of the Nep conj. Asc. What do you think?

My Scorp influences here tend to make me more sensitive and psychic...as well as being highly attuned to lies etc...pretty much, you can not pull one over on me. (Although I may hide it from you....ie-information I know but do not reveal...it is like watching someone from a two-way mirror...they think they have you fooled but they don't realize you already have their 'number' so to speak! LOL...)

I feel that this influence makes me less vulnerable...though often more disappointed and disillusioned with the world. World events so depress me deeply and I feel like I absorb too much from others. Do any of you feel this way? (Beyond just a general sympathetic feeling)...It is sooooo easy for me to feel someone's pain...even if I do not know them personally....please share your thoughts!

posted December 23, 2004 12:54 PM            

I also have my Neptune conjunct with my Ascendant (in Saggitarius).

Everybody says that I appear to be in a world of my own, dreaming away, more than often... When I get bored with things around me I automatically switch off... My ex used to go nuts about it!

Most people find it enchanting... My eyes look to have been covered by an invisible veil and appear to be looking far away, I get a vague smile sometimes...

As a virgo, I think those moments are the only time when I truly relax... Thatīs the beauty of it... I irradiate something that nobody understand...

There lies the mystery... In the distant look, in the cloudy and transfixed expression... In the peace you irradiate...

Sometimes I do it intentionally, especially if Iīve been hurt... I just hide away in my little world of dreams and travel with my mind... I become other person in a different place... That helps me in the healing process.

But I donīt lie to myself. One thing is reality and another dreams. I donīt believe what I know is not true. I donīt try to. I suppose thatīs my Virgo Sun.

posted December 23, 2004 02:24 PM              

How does it affect your relationships? None that is significant...

posted December 23, 2004 02:59 PM              

Yes - I counsel everyone and I feel that 'healing' is my calling in life. And - yes - I do attract marrieds and non singles, but I dont do anything with it.

Interesting points - never heard that one before.

posted December 23, 2004 03:21 PM              

Do I tend to attract "unavailable" men? Yes, unfortunately, and has caused me to have very little faith in men re: marriage vows. Perhaps that's why I'm 35 and haven't wed yet.

Do I end up being a therapist? Yes, but not just to the men I know, to every-fricken-body I know, especially if we've had a few drinks... LOL...Look out, here comes the Dear Abby Wannabe! Seriously, though I think it's the combination of Neptune near the asc, and the Aqua moon. The Neptune makes feel like I need to help people work through their emotional struggles, and the Aqua moon bestows me with a great deal of common sense in emotional affairs. I think people appreciate that cerebral approach, because it's so hard to be objective when you're totally drenched in emotions about a situation.

Another interesting phenomonem that I attribute to Neptune on the rise, is that I don't get along with cameras. I rarely take a good, clear picture that actually ends up being successfully developed. It's just so uncanny, it's funny.

posted December 23, 2004 03:30 PM              

There were times when my ex would move quickly, and I would get nervous, I don't like impatient, angry movements in a person, it overloads my nervous system. The news is crazy, I can't watch it anymore, or else I will start sending money to Haiti. "Goats for Haiti" may be on.

I did study microbiology and I do want to heal others, I have dated two therapists, and I attract a lot of Aqua and Scorpio men who want to heal/date me at the same time. In the end I help them. I feel like a nurse on a date.

I also feel as if I am someone else, men call me other women's names, confuse me with other people, tell me I am the spitting image of their first wife, that kind of thing. So I FEEL they are attached even when they are not. And yes there are no boundaries anymore.

My ex boyfriend confused me with a blonde, his first love, his ex girlfriend, I felt I was changing into someone else. My identity is always changing, I make my own clothes, all my own artwork, I am afraid to try things that do not come from something I know or recognize or else it will become part of me forever. I have to work to detach from everything, so I never feel I am being unfriendly but I am told I am aloof, and cool.

Aqua men and other analytical types are always trying to find "my true self", but not knowing who you are, makes a person feel lonely, so I fight the attachment to these kinds of men now.

Virgo men are cool, they make me remember myself.

As for poisons, my hospital was flooded with tear gas when I was born, and my mother was very ill when she had me, she barely survived. I am very affected by perfumes, chemicals, and poisons, I do not like drugs, unless I know everything about them, and I have adverse reactions to many.
All the men I attract are attracted to chemicals in one way or another, even if it's better living.

Natasha

posted December 23, 2004 04:19 PM            

I also mistrust chemicals... For me, they are poison... Thatīs why Iīm so fascinated with holistic therapies... I donīt like conventional medicine one bit... I will avoid tablets and other chemicals if I can... Iīve become an amateur aromatherapist and I mix my own remedies for common ailments and try to heal myself with natural vitamins and minerals from a healthy diet...

Iīm also a bit psychic... Iīm always in the middle of conflicts trying to reconciliate both parts... because I FEEL what both sides need and want... More than often itīs really draining...

I donīt have an Aqua Moon, I have a Firey Moon... In conjunction with Neptune and my Ascendant... I bet that makes me even more emotionally aware...

posted December 24, 2004 12:11 AM              

ichigo, I see you more as a Pisces too because I know an Aqua with all his planets in the 4th or in Pisces and he is as sensitive and empathetic as a water sign, the opposite of any Aqua I know. (He is taking a break from working with troubled children) So your sun may be Aqua but your goals and the way you feel about people is more watery.

That security comes from finding your own identity and finding others who are accepting and loving without pushing you around. They have to accept you as is, and make you feel safe and secure. Ordinary events will keep you secure, but you must keep moving on finding yourself. That means never stopping to help someone else, when you know you have do something for yourself, such as paint a picture, or put up a photo, or run down a dream.

No matter how small an item, you must communicate, or do that thing that makes you feel closer to your own identity. Do not get swamped in others lives, but talk to aware, concious loving individuals. Your Aqua influence has the power to be concious of everything. You have a great power to protect people, and they feel protected around you. You can also inspire others to protect and heal, the healing professions are a natural, you may prefer something more spiritual, but don't forget the hands on approach to be grounded.

Even a singer heals in a spiritual way, don't forget practical arts too.

Have you tried creating any kind of artwork, and if you did, what is your ideal creation?

posted December 24, 2004 08:34 AM            

I donīt have problems with my identity. I know clearly where the boundary between me and the others are... I perceive myself as a distinct and unique human being, a special creature... Sometimes I even feel that Iīm too lucky to be here as if sometimes I shoudnīt be... I donīt really fit anywhere. I have many friends and a big family; they all love me... And I break their heart every time I say I feel I donīt belong... as if I was living a life that is not mine, that wasnīt meant for me... I feel like some kind of fairy or princess or leyend warrior trapped in a boring, dark and disappointing world... Maybe thatīs why Iīm so obsessed with travelling far and even living abroad.

I also believe my love will change those men, that they will turn into the wonderful creatures they were meant to be, the brave and powerful souls that they have forgotten they are... I always believe my light and magic will awake them... It does shake them... But itīs never been powerful enough to move them...