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scorpiongal
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posted January 13, 2005 11:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I live with 2 Pisces and 1 Scorpio and I am also Scorpio. One of the Pisces and I had a small argument where I think Pisces created a scene without any reason and in fact it was his fault. Later when I asked about it he said I just lost my temper and we did worked out our differences and apologized.

On the other hand my other Scorpio and Pisces also had small fightĄ­well I was really taken aback as I have never seen them fighting before and I think itĄŻs a very small thing but this Pisces is way beyond stubborn about it and trying to prove he is right and Scorpio is trying his best to get my sympathy.
Firstly is this only a coincidence or everybody is facing this.

Scorpions never give up and wait for the next turn to win but the Pisces with whom I had a fight has won till now 3 times where I have given in just to keep peace. I do feel cheated or he is just taking advantage by his emotions and sweet talks.
Do Pisces really try to take advantage by their emotions?
Sometimes they really say that they donĄŻt want to hurt your feelings but ultimately they do what they really want to do and become so stubborn?
Do Pisces also really remember what harm somebody did? What do they normally do when they loose? I want to know how do they take it?

Other than that I have a very close girlfriend we have been friends for almost 15 years. I could sit and talk to her about all my sorrows and she would be happy to hear...We don't live really close to each other now and I found that now if I have some good thing happening in my life she really doesn't want to hear and maybe she is getting jealous ...

I know that friends should be there in good times and bad times. There are very few who would be there in bad times and many would be there in good times.So why here it's opposite? I don't have a clue.Please help.

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MysticScorpio
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posted January 13, 2005 11:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being a Scorpio myself & having a few pisces people in my life I'd have to say that Scorpio is the most stubborn of the two. It's because we're a fixed sign whereas Pisces are mutable. Also, I find that when Pisces people lose they just simply dissapear. They just shut you out of their life if it gets really ugly. However, most of the time they will try to keep things peaceful coz they really do hate ugly scenes & confrontations. Thats my take on it anyway. Good Luck!

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MysticScorpio
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posted January 13, 2005 11:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh also, I know this Pisces guy and when we'd have an argument we would both completely ignore each other coz we were both to proud to admit that we got to each other. Another totally annoying thing is that after a while, Pisces guy would just pretend everything was ok and start talking again. That really p**ses me off since I hate it when people avoid confrontations, and since Pisces hates to confront you can see the problem.

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maya-v
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posted January 13, 2005 11:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DID SOMEONE SAY STUBBORN - HOW CAN YOU NOT HAVE A BULL IN HERE??!!!

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Devilfish
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posted January 13, 2005 11:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree scorpio is more stubborn(edit kay scroll down and i contridict myself ohh im even pissin myself off today )
but really is arguing really about winning and losing?
pisces just want their side undertood if you understand them, then the fight usually ends, if not they will go on and on from every angle to try to make you understand.
scorpio just wants to feel dominate in the fight, like if their arguement is better they feel victorious whether or not they are understood.
two different styles, it is interesting though cause scorps can be just as emotional if not more so than pisces because their style is so strong ,out there, and pure where as pisces is all about being subtle
in other words to "win" a pisces over try to understand their view point with compassion and then share your own, more than likely they will be eating outta your hand.

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neptune's mermaid
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posted January 13, 2005 12:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome scorpiongal

I can be a little stubborn I guess, but not always. I weigh things out, what will hurt less - bruising my pride or risk upsetting someone. If that someone is a person that I care about then I'll usually swallow my pride.

However, I have a limit. I can swallow my pride only so many times. After that I'll do whatever it takes to protect it, self defence I suppose.

I have the worst memory in the world, but if someone did me wrong I'll remember. Not what they did, rather the scar they left me with. I'd remember the pain and who caused it but not how they did it. Although if we made up soon after an argument I'd forget

Scorpio and Pisces should be able to forgive each other , although it's never a guarantee.

I hope this helps

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Devilfish
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posted January 13, 2005 01:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nep. mermaid
i totally agree.
i read somewhere that "pisces have a deep inner pride assail at your own peril"
so true.
i will endure alot but when it crosses the line watch out.
my sis in law is scorp/virgo/aries
she pushed and pushed until it was too much then i unleashed and whoa, it wasnt pretty.
my best friend from high school was scorp. again insults blah blah and i endured until it became too much this was 5 years ago ,after i unleashed that was it no more. we do not speak to this day by my choice not hers(so i am being more stubborn hmmmmmm)
my husband is scorp rising he says there are a couple of times i have actually scared him.
i think its because it takes so much to get me there once im there its very ugly.
there is definately a dark side to pisces and for some reason(pluto ruling i would say) scorpios are able to bring this out of me.sometimes to shocking degrees.that being said one of the greatest souls ive ever known was my great grandmother, and yes she was a scorpio, wonderful woman.

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astro junkie
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posted January 13, 2005 01:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I understand what you mean by this question. Pisces willingness to sort of let things roll off their back in a way is a form of stubborness. You try to interject your thoughts and opinions, but they are happy in their own world. So to that extent, I can see where the Scorpio can be the LEAST stubborn of the two because Scorpio may be more willing to confront the issue, get to the bottom of it, work it out.

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key
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posted January 13, 2005 02:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think Scorpios confront issues and work it out - they keep things hidden and it is hard to figure out what they are thinking, what they have done, or what they truly believe in. Behind the scenes, they do whatever they want - no matter what anyone else might think.

In my opinion, Scorpios are far more stubborn than Pisces. The Pisces types that I know are very sensitive, and have trouble making decisions - but they have more of a need to be liked and accepted by others.

Both of these signs have trouble with the truth/reality.

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scorpiongal
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posted January 14, 2005 03:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Everyone
I am really glad to hear from all of you .

Mystic Scorpio : Yes, maybe thatĄŻs what is happening to my other friends actually.
Pisces is shutting away and maybe he is also going to move. Scorpio being very secretive and although have good feeling for him just doesnĄŻt want to patch up by apologizing as he thinks itĄŻs too late.

Maya-v : Actually I donĄŻt know many Taureans but the one whom I knew were really sweet and always encouraging. Maybe somehow they taught me to be more patient. One of them is still my good friend. I donĄŻt remember any fights or arguments though. I think I get along well with Taureans. Touch wood !!! I would say I love them. Little stubborn but I guess they understand if you try to explain them. Sometimes I would just show the facts and leave it for them to understand the situation. Practical Bull doesnĄŻt fail to understand then.

Devilfish: I agree to all what you said why Scorpio argues and Pisces argues? I guess thatĄŻs what I did to win and have a peace. I wouldnĄŻt like to generalize but sometimes I feel Pisces just would be very subtle, sensitive, compassionate and so on but ultimately somewhere they are trying to win in the argument by being really emotional and they make you feel guilty even if itĄŻs not your fault. I think itĄŻs human nature to win and I guess Pisces shouldnĄŻt be an exception.

Neptune's mermaid: I am really not sure whether all is forgotten and forgiven by this Pisces. I hope so.

Astro Junkie: I also agree that may be sometimes Pisces wouldnĄŻt like to confront as I have got lots of Sagittarius in my chart I come across as very blunt and honest person. I confront many times. Sometimes I just hope that I could be little more diplomat. Thanks for replying to my other post also. I have seen your picture through another link. You look like Scorpio. I hope I am right that you are a Scorpio.

Key: Scorpios donĄŻt confront when they think itĄŻs useless to talk or maybe when they themselves have fear of loosing. I do confront things when I think itĄŻs important. Even I think sometime itĄŻs difficult to understand Scorpions but the best thing to do is just listen properly when Scorpio is talking maybe there is hidden message inside. Sometimes I think we are just made devil for no reason. We are sometime like crabs hard from outside soft from inside.
As for reality- Reality have different dimensions it depends how you are looking at it.

GAL

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Aquarian Girl
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posted January 14, 2005 06:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Scorpiongal... I'm a fixed sign and I was married to a Pisces, and we fought non-stop and he won all the fights, in fact, I couldn't even concede because if he thought I was conceding but I didn't really agree, we would have to keep hashing it out until I "really agree"... lol... TOTAL MADNESS!

I think what others have said is true, Pisces needs to be understood and because of their sometimes extreme emotionality, it's very hard for them to be objective. My ex-husband also had mars/venus in Pisces and an Aries moon and Mercury rising... so he's just a big ol' verbose, emotional, combative, subjective, I'm-always-right type, lol.

He also has a lot of combative mars aspects in his chart that turn up the volume on this part of his personality.

Ask anyone that knows me very well to name one of my more negative characteristics and everyone will sigh and say exasperatedly "gah!!! she's soooo stubborn!!"... but... *shaking head*... I was no match for that particular Pisces... nosiree.

Perhaps with Pisces... they are mutuable... and when they get worked up like that, I don't think they can stop until there is resolution/understanding... and I don't think it's so much about being right as much as if they feel wrong, they feel like everyone will hate them or feel unpleasant towards them... even though rationally, that's probably not the case. But I think this is what drives their need to be right/understood... because they don't want anyone to feel unpleasant towards them. I think the average Pisces can't stand the thought.

Where-as fixed signs, whether it's emotional, Plutonian Scorpio or detached Uranian Aquarius... I think the modus operandi is the same. Maybe because we are so stubborn we realize how pointless the back and forth is, because we aren't changing our minds dammit, WE ARE RIGHT and therefore we can let it go or walk away... whereas a Pisces operates under the notion that minds can be changed, and thinks if they talk enough (whether it is just talking or yelling and screaming)... we will change our minds or come around. LOL.

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scorpio just wants to feel dominate in the fight, like if their arguement is better they feel victorious whether or not they are understood.

BINGO! Thats how I feel in a fight. I go round and round and try to be as concise and clear and show the logic of what I'm saying and why I'm saying it and then if the other person refuses acknowledge my points or I feel is being irrational and annoying, I just abandon ship, concede... but in my head I'm still feeling superior, hahaha

But of course, if I'm wrong and I can be shown I'm wrong I always apologize and acknowledge that I'm wrong. Always.

But if I feel right, I get really haughty, lol. There was an issue with my in-laws and my ex-hubby thought I was right but he was p!ssed at me because I stubbornly refused to apologise to my in-laws. He couldn't see why that was a complete anathema to me. I was like I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, THEY ARE PSYCHO AND I AM NOT APOLOGISING FOR SH!T... and he thought that made me wrong, because he routinely apologises just to keep the peace. I won't.

I probably am too stubborn.. but this illustrates (I think) the difference between a fixed and mutuable sign... hee.

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scorpiongal
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posted January 18, 2005 10:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both the pisces has gone for holiday.I just got a call from Pisces.Infact both of them .... and things are really cool now but I am waiting til I meet them and know how things can work out.

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scorpiongal
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posted January 18, 2005 11:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

Aquarian Girl


Thanks for your lovely post and sharing your views, I would write you back soon.

GAL

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pixelpixie
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posted January 18, 2005 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquarian girl, I know exactly what you mean ........
Especially the in-law thing ( Much and kudos for you about that......)
A fellow fix-er upper.

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